| 3. But the problem is, "Christ's teachings" aren't plain to see. |
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There's quite a bit of legitimate disagreement over them.
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| -Your opinions please - when I say * is not a Christian |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:52 AM |
#0 |
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When I make that point, |
Rose Siding |
Jun-06-06 09:57 AM |
#1 |
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I did that |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:22 AM |
#17 |
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This person has made the judgment |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-06-06 10:44 AM |
#26 |
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I never thought to do that! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:35 PM |
#61 |
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if so |
Lexingtonian |
Jun-06-06 09:28 PM |
#85 |
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he's not a Christian. |
GreenArrow |
Jun-06-06 09:59 AM |
#2 |
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But the problem is, "Christ's teachings" aren't plain to see. |
trotsky |
Jun-06-06 10:00 AM |
#3 |
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Jesus Himself said that the most important commandment is |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:03 AM |
#6 |
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It flows from there? Hehe. |
trotsky |
Jun-06-06 10:08 AM |
#7 |
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I see what you're saying but Christ's teachings don't change |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:17 AM |
#10 |
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They might not change, |
trotsky |
Jun-06-06 11:00 AM |
#32 |
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Oh, interpretation is everything, isn't it? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:04 PM |
#39 |
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Problem is, |
trotsky |
Jun-06-06 01:09 PM |
#42 |
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Oh, I understand. That's the whole crux of the matter |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:16 PM |
#45 |
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Sure I've heard them preach on those things. |
trotsky |
Jun-06-06 02:01 PM |
#53 |
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I've watched them and I never hear about the loving teachings of Christ |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:34 PM |
#60 |
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Jesus told one guy-- |
igil |
Jun-08-06 06:12 PM |
#175 |
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tell them you "hate the sin" not the sinner |
unpossibles |
Jun-06-06 11:17 AM |
#34 |
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I'm sure that nonChristians look at us like we're nuts |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:18 PM |
#46 |
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if it helps, I think everyone is a little nuts |
unpossibles |
Jun-06-06 01:31 PM |
#49 |
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Thank you for your kind words |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:37 PM |
#62 |
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"When I listen to *, I feel full of anger and disgust." |
GreenArrow |
Jun-06-06 08:33 PM |
#81 |
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I can hear the mocking. I hear it. |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:31 PM |
#87 |
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No, he didn't. |
igil |
Jun-08-06 06:07 PM |
#174 |
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Talk is cheap, and at some point you need to acknowledge |
Warpy |
Jun-06-06 10:00 AM |
#4 |
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But did I cross the line into judgement? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:23 AM |
#18 |
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To say bush is not a christian |
BOSSHOG |
Jun-06-06 10:02 AM |
#5 |
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His family voted for * because he is a "Christian" |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:11 AM |
#8 |
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bush supporters are incredibly proud |
BOSSHOG |
Jun-06-06 10:18 AM |
#12 |
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If you met this guy's parents, you'd see what I mean |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:36 AM |
#24 |
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These are the people who believe Bush is a Christian because |
Arkansas Granny |
Jun-06-06 10:47 AM |
#28 |
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But why?!? Why don't they notice? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 12:59 PM |
#37 |
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When you don't want to see something or when you don't want |
Arkansas Granny |
Jun-06-06 01:10 PM |
#43 |
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I'm too stubborn to admit when I've been wrong too |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:20 PM |
#47 |
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You could point out to him that Kerry is a Christian too |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-06-06 04:31 PM |
#59 |
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Thank you for your honest post |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:43 PM |
#63 |
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You're not judging, you're INSPECTING THE FRUIT ON THE TREE |
cpamomfromtexas |
Jun-06-06 10:12 AM |
#9 |
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Interesting analogy |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:20 AM |
#13 |
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Absolutely, and a little off topic but here goes. |
cpamomfromtexas |
Jun-06-06 10:36 AM |
#25 |
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Only my opinion. |
nancyr |
Jun-06-06 10:18 AM |
#11 |
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No, you're just stating facts. If you were me, you'd say something along |
sinkingfeeling |
Jun-06-06 10:20 AM |
#14 |
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"Christianity" and the degrees thereof... |
SacredCow |
Jun-06-06 10:20 AM |
#15 |
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And Christians on the left are constantly silenced by those who say |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:29 AM |
#21 |
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It points to something inherently hateful and deceitful in their nature... |
SacredCow |
Jun-06-06 10:52 AM |
#29 |
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Great post. I agree with you on the organized religion thing |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:01 PM |
#38 |
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Awww- Thanks, arnheim... |
SacredCow |
Jun-06-06 02:46 PM |
#54 |
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We shall incite rebellion - and blame it on trotsky! ;) |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:47 PM |
#64 |
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Who am I to say? |
acmejack |
Jun-06-06 10:22 AM |
#16 |
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Those in public office are open to judgment....It's why we vote |
JohnnyRingo |
Jun-06-06 10:28 AM |
#19 |
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I'd rather not go there with him |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:30 AM |
#22 |
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Being Rich And Calling Yourself A Christian Is An Oxymoron |
mntleo2 |
Jun-06-06 10:28 AM |
#20 |
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Excellent posts but the question still remains |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:33 AM |
#23 |
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Good Question! Being Judgmental ~ What IS That? |
mntleo2 |
Jun-06-06 11:10 AM |
#33 |
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So, are we sinning if we view sin and don't point it out? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:08 PM |
#41 |
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Obervation: |
Brentos |
Jun-06-06 01:05 PM |
#40 |
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The religious right may very likely say that you |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-06-06 10:46 AM |
#27 |
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I love your sig line, btw |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:54 AM |
#30 |
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Thanks, pushes two hot buttons on DU |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-06-06 10:59 AM |
#31 |
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And "Loving" Is A Big Word |
mntleo2 |
Jun-06-06 11:34 AM |
#35 |
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Christ Himself was perfect |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 12:57 PM |
#36 |
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Bush is a good Christian, maybe even a great one. |
moobu2 |
Jun-06-06 01:15 PM |
#44 |
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Depends on your definition of "Christian" |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 01:21 PM |
#48 |
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Hateful, we’re better than you, |
moobu2 |
Jun-06-06 01:35 PM |
#50 |
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Argh! That is not what Christianity is all about |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:49 PM |
#65 |
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Is Osama Bin Laden a Muslim? |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 01:48 PM |
#51 |
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I do see your point - but - am I a baseball player? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 04:53 PM |
#66 |
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Apples and...baseballs? |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 07:33 PM |
#73 |
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No, I'm saying that a person can say that they are anything |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 08:05 PM |
#76 |
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Yes and yes |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 10:58 PM |
#133 |
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Amen |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 07:58 PM |
#153 |
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doubled - whee! |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 01:49 PM |
#52 |
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He IS very typical of today's Right Wing Christian. |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 02:51 PM |
#55 |
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Bush is a Christian. |
ozone_man |
Jun-06-06 03:03 PM |
#56 |
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I like your quote from Frank Harris.. I've been |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 03:10 PM |
#57 |
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I just posted something very similar in "what is a Christian?" |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 03:13 PM |
#58 |
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And I responded to your post! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 05:00 PM |
#68 |
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No, I'm glad |
ozone_man |
Jun-07-06 09:06 AM |
#145 |
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That quote is interesting, to say the least! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 05:00 PM |
#67 |
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deleted |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 07:10 PM |
# |
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You'll find that most Christians are offended if |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 07:10 PM |
#72 |
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Paul's writings, however, are oft-quoted |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 08:07 PM |
#77 |
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Jesus was Jewish....Paul did not approve of |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 08:14 PM |
#80 |
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We can't throw him out of the boat |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Jun-06-06 05:44 PM |
#69 |
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I know it's rough |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 07:53 PM |
#75 |
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I know the spirit in which you intended that |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:44 PM |
#94 |
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You're a mindreader?! |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-06 11:08 PM |
#136 |
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I am a mindreader, yes |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 07:59 PM |
#154 |
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... |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-07-06 08:16 PM |
#160 |
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And I'm not a man, baby! |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:26 PM |
#165 |
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Well, I'm not exclusively straight |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-07-06 10:03 PM |
#166 |
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Your post is correct, TG, according to the Bible |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 08:09 PM |
#78 |
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George Bush says he's a Christian |
GreenArrow |
Jun-07-06 08:29 AM |
#142 |
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You might be right |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Jun-07-06 10:14 AM |
#148 |
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Excellent post, TallahasseeGrannie |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:20 PM |
#163 |
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Bush May Be A Christian |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 06:10 PM |
#70 |
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And I feel that we should dispute it |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 08:11 PM |
#79 |
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Now, It Is Fair To Attack His Actions |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 09:50 PM |
#98 |
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As an atheist, you can stare from the outside and see things |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:13 PM |
#113 |
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Southpaw is a christian. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:19 PM |
#118 |
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Oops! I meant to reply to you!! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:26 PM |
#122 |
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Oh. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:32 PM |
#125 |
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But BMUS, Let Me Ask You A Question |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:50 PM |
#131 |
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Good question. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 11:05 PM |
#134 |
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Yes, Guilt Can Be The Eternal Gift |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 11:07 PM |
#135 |
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I am struggling with something now that I can't forgive myself for |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 07:57 PM |
#152 |
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I Vote That He's An Antichrist |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:46 PM |
#130 |
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Pope John Paul II believed the same |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:09 PM |
#157 |
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" he is trying to purposely do the opposite of what Christ has |
GreenArrow |
Jun-07-06 08:40 AM |
#143 |
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Again, though, some might say that he's not trying to pervert |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:15 PM |
#159 |
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some might believe that |
GreenArrow |
Jun-07-06 10:12 PM |
#167 |
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* is a pathetic excuse for a human being, |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 06:46 PM |
#71 |
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Hi, Beam Me Up Scottie! Long time, no see! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:01 PM |
#82 |
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Actually, some eyes would bat at that. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:19 PM |
#83 |
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You "get it" more so than many Christians |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:29 PM |
#86 |
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You rock, arnheim. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:37 PM |
#89 |
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I sure will, you Whackjob, you! |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:43 PM |
#93 |
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but you can with me |
kwassa |
Jun-06-06 09:36 PM |
#88 |
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Went right over your head, didn't it? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:41 PM |
#91 |
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Oh, dear. This is feeling strangely familiar... |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:47 PM |
#95 |
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It's okay. That's why I explained it the way I did. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:59 PM |
#104 |
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When have I ever stated my belief as a fact? |
kwassa |
Jun-06-06 09:51 PM |
#99 |
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Right here: |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:56 PM |
#101 |
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That's a belief. |
kwassa |
Jun-06-06 10:06 PM |
#107 |
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ROFLMAO !!! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:14 PM |
#114 |
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Reading is fundamental |
kwassa |
Jun-07-06 09:20 AM |
#147 |
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And here: |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 09:57 PM |
#103 |
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Also a belief. |
kwassa |
Jun-06-06 10:07 PM |
#108 |
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Doesn't say that, does it? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:16 PM |
#116 |
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Now That Is True That Your Belief Is Your Belief |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:03 PM |
#106 |
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My litmus test, which is my belief .... |
kwassa |
Jun-06-06 10:09 PM |
#110 |
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I Would Agree That We All Look At Whether The Actions |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:53 PM |
#132 |
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I agree |
kwassa |
Jun-07-06 09:18 AM |
#146 |
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"I can't know if they're lying" |
GreenArrow |
Jun-07-06 08:56 AM |
#144 |
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Not if it involves reading their mind. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-08-06 11:19 PM |
#178 |
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If the definition of Christian = one who believes in Christ, |
Random_Australian |
Jun-06-06 09:25 PM |
#84 |
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Random, I am not taking this as flamebait |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:38 PM |
#90 |
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This takes us back to the ole drawing board. |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 09:49 PM |
#96 |
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I'm losing track of the Faith & Works threads |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:49 PM |
#97 |
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A very controversial topic.... |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 09:57 PM |
#102 |
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Oh, I see.Suggested solution: |
Random_Australian |
Jun-06-06 10:03 PM |
#105 |
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Yes, there is a line that I do not want to cross |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:15 PM |
#115 |
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I Think That One Has To |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:22 PM |
#119 |
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Ahh, But You Can Say He Isn't Acting In A Christlike Way! |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:09 PM |
#111 |
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Southpaw is right! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:24 PM |
#120 |
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Yes, I know that when I sin, I am not being a good Christian |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:25 PM |
#121 |
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Not at all. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:29 PM |
#123 |
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I think that it IS a miracle! :D |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:12 PM |
#158 |
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Sometimes You Say What You Have To In Good Conscience |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:44 PM |
#129 |
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Shut up? No! (I am not bieng sarcastic); the way to learn is through |
Random_Australian |
Jun-07-06 02:46 AM |
#139 |
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Thanks. I do explain myself poorly |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:17 PM |
#161 |
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"IF Christian = person who believes in Christ... |
GreenArrow |
Jun-07-06 10:25 PM |
#168 |
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We are talking about judging. I should LOVE to hear it if you have some |
Random_Australian |
Jun-08-06 06:39 AM |
#171 |
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A Godometer? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-08-06 11:17 PM |
#177 |
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that's a cop out |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-06 10:04 AM |
#179 |
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I Would Bat An Eye Even At Hitler |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 09:54 PM |
#100 |
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Back to "faith and works" isn't it? |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-06-06 10:08 PM |
#109 |
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Of Course We Are Judged By Our Works |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:13 PM |
#112 |
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But can you judge someone by their actions? |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:18 PM |
#117 |
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Whether They Are A Great Person Or Not |
Southpawkicker |
Jun-06-06 10:32 PM |
#126 |
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Actions speak |
Brentos |
Jun-06-06 07:51 PM |
#74 |
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And that is how it should be said |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 09:42 PM |
#92 |
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Wouldn't it just be easiest and most correct |
salvorhardin |
Jun-06-06 10:40 PM |
#128 |
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Again, saying that someone is a bad Christian - can't that be a |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:19 PM |
#162 |
| -
Good night and thank you |
arnheim |
Jun-06-06 10:31 PM |
#124 |
| -
Alternative mantra? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-06-06 10:34 PM |
#127 |
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Bush is a Christian |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Jun-07-06 01:35 AM |
#137 |
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Why do you feel the need to "point out " someone is not a Christian? |
bluesbassman |
Jun-07-06 02:10 AM |
#138 |
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I've been thinking....a Jew is still a Jew, a Muslim is still a Muslim, |
Proud_Democratt |
Jun-07-06 05:41 AM |
#140 |
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Sounds reasonable to me. n/t |
bluesbassman |
Jun-07-06 10:35 AM |
#149 |
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This still runs contrary to how I was taught |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:23 PM |
#164 |
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Your first and second statements are correct. |
bluesbassman |
Jun-08-06 12:10 AM |
#169 |
| -
LOL! |
arnheim |
Jun-08-06 03:32 PM |
#173 |
| -
By Mars, I think she's got it! |
Random_Australian |
Jun-08-06 07:23 PM |
#176 |
| -
Snort! |
arnheim |
Jun-09-06 12:42 PM |
#180 |
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i guess the reason is because nonChristians who are considering |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:13 AM |
#141 |
| -
Your point is well taken. |
bluesbassman |
Jun-07-06 10:46 AM |
#151 |
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Or they could be looking seriously but also looking for a reason |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:07 PM |
#156 |
| -
The problem is, when Christians say "So and so (or such and |
Strong Atheist |
Jun-07-06 10:46 AM |
#150 |
| -
Yes, and that is what we've been discussing |
arnheim |
Jun-07-06 08:05 PM |
#155 |
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Ok. Peace. nt. |
Strong Atheist |
Jun-08-06 06:19 AM |
#170 |
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Peace to you, too! |
arnheim |
Jun-08-06 11:56 AM |
#172 |
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