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Mon Jun-05-06 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
| 65. There are big differences in comparing ... |
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Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 03:22 AM by quantessd
..facts in trying a criminal case, with "facts" supporting spiritual beliefs. Please note I am an agnostic with vague spiritual inclinations.
In trying a criminal case, there is the possiblility of falsely convicting someone, which most of us agree would be terrible. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is thankfully the standard, so that we don't have tons of innocent people wrongfully convicted. Science has given us DNA testing, and luminol, and etc. Most scientific findings need some sort of direct impact for the study to get funded. People who give out the grants for studies always want justification. Researching a crime is justified. Saying "I know God exists" doesn't make an impact on prractical decisions. That's why belief in god usually goes unquestioned. They might say "yeah, who does it hurt if someone believes in Jesus? Yawn. Lets study otters' parenting behavior instead." Okay, but here's my personal feeling about human spirituality: KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! LOL. Why this need to chastise others for not sharing a religion or a lack-of?! (not you, O.P. I'm just ranting.)  I have had mysterious, spiritual inklings, and all I can say is that I personally "know" that our life on Earth is more than we as humans can know. And if I'm wrong? So what, nobody gets wrongfully convicted. Our current technology cannot detect "spiritual inklings". (edit for spelling) |
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| -Dual standard for belief | cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 08:16 AM | #0 |
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I think you are really talking about is standards of evidence |
kwassa | Jun-04-06 08:20 AM | #1 |
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Thank you for your response |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 08:35 AM | #2 |
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I'm sure it is different for every individual theist and non-theist |
kwassa | Jun-04-06 08:52 AM | #3 |
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But how do you decide which evidence to accept |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 08:55 AM | #4 |
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I agree that we all use different mixtures |
muriel_volestrangler | Jun-04-06 09:13 AM | #5 |
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My guess is that |
Totallybushed | Jun-04-06 09:44 AM | #6 |
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That is what matters to you |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 09:57 AM | #7 |
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Again, I think it will |
Totallybushed | Jun-04-06 05:22 PM | #44 |
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I failed to ask my question properly |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 06:56 PM | #48 |
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All right. |
Totallybushed | Jun-05-06 09:04 PM | #93 |
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Atheism is not faith-based. |
Zhade | Jun-07-06 07:27 PM | #98 |
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People choose a belief system based on subject area |
rock | Jun-04-06 09:59 AM | #8 |
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That makes sense |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 10:03 AM | #9 |
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Well, since you ask, I'll ramble on a bit |
rock | Jun-04-06 10:19 AM | #10 |
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Unfortunately I agree with you |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 10:44 AM | #11 |
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I don't think it is alien... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:06 PM | #14 |
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And I am one of those |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 01:16 PM | #16 |
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Actually, if you think about it, most were not offered a choice... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:37 PM | #19 |
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This is a good question that has stirred... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:01 PM | #12 |
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There is no rational decision-making process... |
TreasonousBastard | Jun-04-06 01:06 PM | #13 |
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In my experience...atheists are more knowlegeable about religion.. |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:13 PM | #15 |
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Some atheists, who have... |
TreasonousBastard | Jun-04-06 01:29 PM | #18 |
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Perhaps agnostics but not atheists. |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:42 PM | #20 |
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I have met many. |
kwassa | Jun-04-06 07:51 PM | #52 |
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There is a difference |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 01:51 PM | #24 |
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One must understand religion in order to glean any evidence... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:56 PM | #26 |
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Not so |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 02:13 PM | #30 |
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Then I must misunderstand what you are saying... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 02:47 PM | #31 |
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It was your analogy |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 03:13 PM | #34 |
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That is not the way the justice system works...if no crime, case dropped. |
Finder | Jun-04-06 03:29 PM | #37 |
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I don't buy that |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 03:42 PM | #38 |
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Ancient Greece...but, I doubt anyone believed in Zeus the way some... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 04:05 PM | #42 |
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If you are saying |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 04:18 PM | #43 |
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Pagan/Pantheistic and Monotheistic theology... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 05:50 PM | #46 |
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How does one "understand religion" exactly? |
Orrex | Jun-04-06 03:02 PM | #32 |
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Sounds like you understand since... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 03:09 PM | #33 |
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no rational decision-making process? |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 01:27 PM | #17 |
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Socrates. n/t |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:45 PM | #22 |
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How do you rationally decide who to love? There are .. |
TreasonousBastard | Jun-04-06 01:51 PM | #23 |
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Love is not so mysterious... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 02:00 PM | #28 |
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Now that is "On Point" |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 02:04 PM | #29 |
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Not entirely... |
TreasonousBastard | Jun-04-06 11:16 PM | #62 |
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What I am getting |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 08:30 AM | #74 |
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Probably mostly true... |
TreasonousBastard | Jun-05-06 09:19 AM | #79 |
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"Atheism, as defined as the secure belief that there is no God" |
Zhade | Jun-07-06 07:39 PM | #99 |
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Labels are not helpful |
cosmik debris | Jun-07-06 07:55 PM | #100 |
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Well that is another point...theists tend to be followers(personalities) |
Finder | Jun-04-06 01:52 PM | #25 |
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Perhaps if you would define "theist" |
Ron_Green | Jun-04-06 01:44 PM | #21 |
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I will NOT define theists |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 01:58 PM | #27 |
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Speaking for only myself, then, |
Ron_Green | Jun-04-06 03:21 PM | #36 |
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Labels are often misleading., but here are my summaries... |
Finder | Jun-04-06 03:53 PM | #40 |
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In an earlier post |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 04:02 PM | #41 |
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Glad to share. |
Ron_Green | Jun-04-06 08:05 PM | #53 |
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I don't want to pick your ideas to pieces |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 09:16 PM | #54 |
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Not speaking for Ron, but expectations had nothing to do with it. |
kwassa | Jun-04-06 09:34 PM | #57 |
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What you said. |
Ron_Green | Jun-05-06 12:10 AM | #63 |
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Internal road map, expectations? |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 07:18 AM | #67 |
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The unusual experience might or might not be religious; |
Ron_Green | Jun-05-06 01:18 PM | #86 |
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FYI |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 02:10 PM | #88 |
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That's a pretty heavy dose - Baylor in the late '60's. |
Ron_Green | Jun-05-06 04:45 PM | #90 |
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You want to lower the evidentiary standards for criminal conviction |
struggle4progress | Jun-04-06 03:19 PM | #35 |
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I am trying to improve my understanding |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 03:50 PM | #39 |
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I only asked some questions to attempt to clarify your aims. |
struggle4progress | Jun-04-06 05:29 PM | #45 |
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Personally, I use intuition in both cases |
ayeshahaqqiqa | Jun-04-06 06:30 PM | #47 |
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Wonderful answer |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 06:58 PM | #49 |
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My Spiritual Beliefs Are Felt In My Heart |
Southpawkicker | Jun-04-06 07:37 PM | #50 |
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I take that to mean |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 09:28 PM | #56 |
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No It's Not That Simple |
Southpawkicker | Jun-04-06 10:08 PM | #58 |
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I will try again |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 07:25 AM | #68 |
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For Me It Isn't My Job To Determine Who Is Right And Who Is Wrong |
Southpawkicker | Jun-05-06 08:10 PM | #92 |
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I was looking for the views of theists not agnostics |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 10:09 PM | #94 |
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self delete |
Southpawkicker | Jun-06-06 05:19 PM | #95 |
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What? |
beam me up scottie | Jun-06-06 07:58 PM | #97 |
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I Just Fucking Know! |
Southpawkicker | Jun-06-06 05:21 PM | #96 |
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Faith has little to do with "proof" |
JerseygirlCT | Jun-04-06 07:49 PM | #51 |
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What example are you talking about? |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 09:21 PM | #55 |
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Question |
Southpawkicker | Jun-04-06 10:09 PM | #59 |
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I don't understand |
cosmik debris | Jun-04-06 10:30 PM | #60 |
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Okay |
Southpawkicker | Jun-04-06 10:34 PM | #61 |
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Sure |
JerseygirlCT | Jun-05-06 06:38 AM | #66 |
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I used the legal analogy to show that dual standards are legit. |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 09:02 AM | #76 |
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Sorry I jumped to that conclusion as well |
JerseygirlCT | Jun-05-06 02:02 PM | #87 |
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Interesting question cosmic. |
bluesbassman | Jun-05-06 01:50 AM | #64 |
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There are big differences in comparing ... |
quantessd | Jun-05-06 02:41 AM | #65 |
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intuition, instinct, inkling |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 07:48 AM | #70 |
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Confirmation bias |
trotsky | Jun-05-06 07:44 AM | #69 |
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I knew you would show up sooner or later |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 07:58 AM | #71 |
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Well, I used to be a Christian. |
trotsky | Jun-05-06 08:12 AM | #72 |
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Have you torn down that wall |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 09:13 AM | #78 |
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That's a pretty fair assessment. |
trotsky | Jun-05-06 09:30 AM | #80 |
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I understand |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 09:33 AM | #82 |
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Great question |
TallahasseeGrannie | Jun-05-06 08:18 AM | #73 |
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It sounds like |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 08:47 AM | #75 |
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No, not snarky at all |
TallahasseeGrannie | Jun-05-06 09:08 AM | #77 |
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Well, I did not expect big things |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 09:31 AM | #81 |
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No offense taken |
TallahasseeGrannie | Jun-05-06 10:06 AM | #83 |
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So can you tell me |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 10:15 AM | #84 |
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Time and an accumulation of |
TallahasseeGrannie | Jun-05-06 12:39 PM | #85 |
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I wish I understood the difference between emotion and intuition. |
cosmik debris | Jun-05-06 02:23 PM | #89 |
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One more |
TallahasseeGrannie | Jun-05-06 05:01 PM | #91 |
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Fantastic, challenging question. |
Zhade | Jun-07-06 08:14 PM | #101 |
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