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77. And the Popes claim infallibility. How does that square with enabling
the Nazis to murder so many. Big mistake.
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  -Why is the Pope blaming God for the Holocaust? hedgehog  May-28-06 06:00 PM   #0 
  - Cause he's German.  Proud_Democratt   May-28-06 06:00 PM   #1 
  - the Pope or God ? nt  tocqueville   May-28-06 06:14 PM   #7 
     - God is an American.  varkam   May-28-06 07:51 PM   #37 
     - !  beam me up scottie   May-28-06 07:56 PM   #38 
     - Got mit uns ?  tocqueville   May-28-06 09:13 PM   #46 
        - Nein. Nein.  varkam   May-29-06 12:38 AM   #50 
     - Both of course!  JVS   May-30-06 12:30 AM   #126 
  - What did he say exactly? I haven't heard about this. n/t  pnwmom   May-28-06 06:05 PM   #2 
  - (Translation of) his speech here  muriel_volestrangler   May-28-06 06:13 PM   #5 
     - I don't know who I hate more: Rat Face Ratinger or Bush  Imagine My Surprise   May-28-06 06:14 PM   #8 
     - what has he done to you, except not being a Protestant ?  tocqueville   May-28-06 06:18 PM   #11 
     - Who is more of a threat to the whole world right now?  pnwmom   May-28-06 06:25 PM   #17 
        - I agree with you.  Proud_Democratt   May-28-06 07:26 PM   #35 
           - I am deeply offended by Ratzinger but I think Bush is a far greater threat  pnwmom   May-28-06 08:35 PM   #40 
     - because if God didn't do it, man did and man is a wanker. name  roguevalley   May-28-06 07:24 PM   #34 
  - Remember, he was also in Hitler's Nazi Youth...  Imagine My Surprise   May-28-06 06:10 PM   #3 
  - everybody was at that time - or else, big deal  tocqueville   May-28-06 06:16 PM   #9 
  - catholics and lutherans loved the nazi party -  msongs   May-28-06 06:22 PM   #14 
     - Most of those who OPPOSED the Nazis were Catholic, Lutheran, or Jewish.  pnwmom   May-28-06 06:32 PM   #18 
     - Actually, many who opposed the Nazis were Communists.  onager   May-30-06 09:52 AM   #131 
     - ALMOST ALL Germans are Catholics or Lutherans, braniac.  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 06:49 PM   #23 
     - to be a hero demands to be very brave in those times  tocqueville   May-28-06 08:55 PM   #42 
        - Exacty, tocqueville. Whatever we say now could be used against us!  pnwmom   May-29-06 01:43 AM   #54 
        - Hold on a second!  Zhade   May-31-06 03:42 PM   #179 
  - Along with every other young person  TallahasseeGrannie   May-29-06 08:12 AM   #64 
  - Linky, or at least a Quote? n/t  Southpawkicker   May-28-06 06:12 PM   #4 
  - Here's link:  Imagine My Surprise   May-28-06 06:13 PM   #6 
  - God wasn't  BayCityProgressive   May-28-06 06:18 PM   #10 
     - I don't know  BayCityProgressive   May-28-06 06:21 PM   #13 
  - I Guess I Would Say Pope, God Did Do Something About It  Southpawkicker   May-28-06 06:20 PM   #12 
  - I think it was a rhetorical question, but it is a question many people ask  pnwmom   May-28-06 06:24 PM   #16 
  - There was NO Godly intervention during the Holocaust!!!!  Proud_Democratt   May-28-06 06:48 PM   #22 
     - Well, now that Proud_Democratt has succinctly,  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 06:52 PM   #25 
     - Nice idea.....you can worship the God that allows KILLING....  Proud_Democratt   May-28-06 07:05 PM   #27 
        - I actually don't believe in or worship any god,  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 07:07 PM   #28 
        - I will punctuate HOW I want and when I want!!!!!! Got that???  Proud_Democratt   May-28-06 07:13 PM   #32 
           - Yes, I figured that out, actually.  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 07:16 PM   #33 
           - Man!!!!!! What ARE we without  TallahasseeGrannie   May-29-06 08:17 AM   #65 
        - On the other hand -  hedgehog   May-29-06 10:37 AM   #66 
     - Plus 5 million more  catbert836   May-29-06 01:15 PM   #67 
        - I find it strange and ironic how God can create the heavens and  Proud_Democratt   May-29-06 09:39 PM   #114 
  - Thanks Muriel and Southpawkicker for the links. As I read this, hedgehog,  pnwmom   May-28-06 06:22 PM   #15 
  - It Is A Hard Question To Answer Without Admitting  Southpawkicker   May-28-06 06:32 PM   #19 
  - Maybe because there is no god?  smirkymonkey   May-29-06 06:36 PM   #75 
  - And the Popes claim infallibility. How does that square with enabling  shain from kane   May-29-06 06:54 PM   #77 
  - Well, if God is almighty and good, he should have stepped in.  Union Thug   May-28-06 06:38 PM   #20 
  - he is displaying, to no surprise, a juvenile understanding of the faith.  xchrom   May-28-06 06:47 PM   #21 
  - However, whenever someone asks "Why would God let this happen?"  Rufus T. Firefly   May-28-06 06:51 PM   #24 
  - Let's put this Hitler Youth bs to bed.  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 06:56 PM   #26 
  - I dislike the guy  beam me up scottie   May-28-06 07:10 PM   #29 
  - I also dislike Ratzinger aka Benedict for many  Che_Nuevara   May-28-06 07:11 PM   #30 
  - See upthread. The apologia isn't convincing.  Zhade   May-31-06 03:51 PM   #180 
     - Maybe not.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 05:25 PM   #183 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-06 05:52 PM   #184 
           - Have you noticed  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 06:02 PM   #185 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-06 06:06 PM   #186 
              - He's something else, isn't he?  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 06:17 PM   #188 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-06 08:12 PM   #190 
                 - Wow - now mentioning the posts were deleted, gets deleted.  Zhade   May-31-06 10:13 PM   #193 
           - Elucidate  kwassa   May-31-06 06:11 PM   #187 
  - Well, not TOTALLY compulsory  beachmom   May-29-06 04:45 PM   #72 
     - I never once in my life said that Ratzinger was admirable.  Che_Nuevara   May-29-06 05:14 PM   #74 
  - it's a legitimate question  Bill McBlueState   May-28-06 07:11 PM   #31 
  - And yet most Jews managed to hold onto their faith, and no one was more  pnwmom   May-28-06 08:41 PM   #41 
  - The Catholic Church was working with Hitler so that he wouldn't  FloridaPat   May-28-06 07:33 PM   #36 
  - According to this atheistic web site, Hitler was born Catholic  pnwmom   May-28-06 09:00 PM   #43 
     - Uh, those quotes are from Table Talk.  beam me up scottie   May-28-06 09:12 PM   #45 
     - I've seen them elsewhere, but this was the first site I ran across. Are  pnwmom   May-28-06 09:32 PM   #47 
        - They're hearsay.  beam me up scottie   May-28-06 09:39 PM   #48 
           - Very few "fallen-away" Catholics formally renounce their faith. They just  pnwmom   May-29-06 01:38 AM   #52 
              - He stated over and over that he believed in the christian god.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 01:44 AM   #55 
                 - I am not aware that those statements continued throughout his life.  pnwmom   May-29-06 02:07 AM   #58 
                    - Yes, keep telling yourself that.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 02:15 AM   #59 
                       - I agree with the writer here: the answer to whether Hitler remained  pnwmom   May-29-06 04:00 AM   #62 
                          - So you believe in opinion instead of history?  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 03:41 PM   #70 
     - Hitler's religion is an interesting topic.  catbert836   May-29-06 01:23 PM   #68 
        - I can say Hitler wasn't a Christian. It is quite easy to do.  kwassa   May-29-06 02:19 PM   #69 
           - "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 03:52 PM   #71 
           - ....  catbert836   May-29-06 05:07 PM   #73 
           - Very good point, catbert.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 06:49 PM   #76 
           - No true Christian would be a Nazi.  kwassa   May-29-06 08:15 PM   #78 
              - "No True Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 08:39 PM   #79 
              - Reading is fundamental  kwassa   May-29-06 08:49 PM   #84 
                 - Reading comprehension problems, kwassa?  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:10 PM   #93 
              - That's convenient  catbert836   May-29-06 08:40 PM   #80 
              - "Oh, yeah, blame those GODDAMN ATHEISTS"  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 08:45 PM   #81 
              - I do my part.  catbert836   May-29-06 08:47 PM   #82 
              - Your father and I are so proud of you.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 08:48 PM   #83 
                 - Thanks, mom!  catbert836   May-29-06 08:52 PM   #85 
              - You folks seem to be into much back-slapping  kwassa   May-29-06 08:55 PM   #87 
                 - Well, catbert IS an honorary member of the Whackjob Atheist Corps.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:02 PM   #89 
                 - So, back-slapping is part of the ritual of your Corps?  kwassa   May-29-06 09:38 PM   #112 
                    - Well if I told you that,  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:40 PM   #115 
                 - Does it bother you that much?  catbert836   May-29-06 09:09 PM   #92 
                    - Actually, they don't.  kwassa   May-29-06 09:38 PM   #110 
                       - Yeah, the atheists don't claim the other guys own this forum and the mods  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:43 PM   #118 
              - Self-identification isn't enough.  kwassa   May-29-06 08:54 PM   #86 
              - Yes, catbert.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:00 PM   #88 
              - It is simply political agenda.  kwassa   May-29-06 09:18 PM   #98 
                 - You claim to know that Hitler wasn't a christian.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:20 PM   #101 
              - And again.  catbert836   May-29-06 09:07 PM   #91 
              - try as you might  kwassa   May-29-06 09:27 PM   #104 
                 - A reasonable person wouldn't think they could decide who is christian  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:32 PM   #106 
                 - Incorrect.  kwassa   May-29-06 09:36 PM   #109 
                    - Nope, reasonable people don't think they can read the minds of dead people  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:39 PM   #113 
                       - Well, to be fair,  Dorian Gray   May-30-06 04:03 PM   #135 
                          - YOU don't get to determine who's christian and neither does kwassa.  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 06:35 PM   #137 
                             - "You have no credibility"  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 09:04 AM   #150 
                                - Okay then, he was a bad christian.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 09:53 AM   #155 
                                   - Okay...  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 10:39 AM   #162 
                 - You are not a Christian then, kwassa.  trotsky   May-30-06 07:03 AM   #128 
              - Walks the walk, eh? Then YOU'RE not a Christian.  Zhade   May-31-06 04:34 PM   #181 
              - The defining trait of dictators is that they lie.  lvx35   May-29-06 09:05 PM   #90 
                 - No True Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:13 PM   #94 
                 - "No True Scotsman" is a totally fallacious argument  kwassa   May-29-06 09:16 PM   #95 
                    - Yes, you do need to prove otherwise.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:18 PM   #99 
                       - You are incorrect.  lvx35   May-29-06 09:26 PM   #103 
                       - Nope, sorry.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:30 PM   #105 
                       - No, I don't.  kwassa   May-29-06 09:35 PM   #107 
                          - Your opinion and five bucks will get me a cappuccino at Starbucks.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:38 PM   #111 
                             - Guess what? You don't either.  kwassa   May-29-06 09:41 PM   #116 
                             - Wow, you are a novice aren't you?  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:45 PM   #119 
                                - You need to understand that your have completely lost your argument  kwassa   May-29-06 09:52 PM   #120 
                                   - Individual christians get to decide if they're christian, kwassa, not you.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:56 PM   #121 
                                      - But you just told me it was God's job to decide that.  kwassa   May-30-06 07:59 AM   #130 
                                         - If it's up to God, why are you telling us who is and who isn't a christian  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 09:52 AM   #132 
                                         - If it is up to God, how can you claim Hitler is a Christian?  kwassa   May-30-06 11:08 AM   #133 
                                         - I didn't claim that, HE did.  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 06:51 PM   #138 
                                         - Which is why you lost this argument awhile ago,  kwassa   May-31-06 07:14 AM   #148 
                                         - Wishful thinking on your part, kwassa, since you still have no proof  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 09:55 AM   #156 
                                         - Hitler stating he was a Christian is not evidence of anything  kwassa   May-31-06 11:41 AM   #164 
                                         - Saying Hitler wasn't a christian because kwassa says so isn't evidence  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 12:13 PM   #165 
                                         - The burden of proof is upon those who assert Hitler's Christianity  kwassa   May-31-06 12:37 PM   #167 
                                         - Hitler said he was a christian. Just like you say you are, kwassa.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 01:48 PM   #170 
                                         - Sorry, you are changing the rules of the game when you start to lose  kwassa   May-31-06 02:05 PM   #172 
                                         - Nope. Same No True Scotsman fallacy, same rules as before.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 02:15 PM   #173 
                                         - Your claim, your proof, have offered nothing, thread over.  kwassa   May-31-06 02:26 PM   #176 
                                         - ROFLMAO !!! Now you think you can decide when a thread is over?  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 02:39 PM   #178 
                             - The statement should be...  Dorian Gray   May-30-06 04:07 PM   #136 
                                - Wow. Did you figure that out all by yourself?  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 06:58 PM   #139 
                                   - And who is to decide whose opinion has value?  kwassa   May-31-06 07:16 AM   #149 
                                   - Opinion is useless when it's all you have for evidence of a belief.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 09:58 AM   #157 
                                      - Hitler stating a claim to be Christian is not evidence  kwassa   May-31-06 11:38 AM   #163 
                                         - You dont get to decide who is and who isnt a christian, kwassa.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 01:58 PM   #171 
                                   - "Your opinion is as worthless as kwassa's."  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 09:16 AM   #151 
                                      - Yep, in this context, it is.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 10:05 AM   #158 
                                         - I never said that my opinion trumped history....  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 10:19 AM   #160 
                                            - How ridiculous.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 12:25 PM   #166 
                                            - You never proved Hitler was a Christian. Your claim, you prove.  kwassa   May-31-06 12:40 PM   #168 
                                            - I don't have to, kwassa. He said he was-you need to prove otherwise.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 01:45 PM   #169 
                                            - But you said it was up to God to decide, not Hitler  kwassa   May-31-06 02:19 PM   #174 
                                            - Using the reading comprehension defense again, kwassa?  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 02:35 PM   #177 
                                            - Okay.  catbert836   May-31-06 08:09 PM   #189 
                                            - Catbert...  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 10:31 PM   #195 
                 - And no true christian would lie.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:17 PM   #96 
                 - Of course Christians lie....  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 09:29 AM   #152 
                    - That's why the No True Scotsman fallacy is a fallacy.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 10:11 AM   #159 
                       - Oh, and silly little old me...  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 10:34 AM   #161 
                          - Oh, that's nothing.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 05:06 PM   #182 
                             - Well, that's another issue,  Dorian Gray   Jun-01-06 08:14 AM   #201 
                 - I recommend you read the entire sub-thread.  catbert836   May-29-06 09:17 PM   #97 
                 - Again, you are making the mistake of taking Hitler at face value, against.  lvx35   May-29-06 09:36 PM   #108 
                    - And we should take your word for it because?  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:42 PM   #117 
                 - The defining trait of dictators is that they lie....  Proud_Democratt   May-29-06 09:18 PM   #100 
                 - Well, gosh, Proud Democrat, real christians don't lie.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 09:22 PM   #102 
                    - They're accustomed to ..."living a lie"  Proud_Democratt   May-29-06 10:05 PM   #122 
                       - I didn't mean that.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 10:14 PM   #123 
                          - There are many Christians that are very moral. However,  Proud_Democratt   May-29-06 10:41 PM   #124 
                             - Morals, morays and morans.  beam me up scottie   May-29-06 10:44 PM   #125 
                 - But there is no absolute agreement on just what the gospels say.  trotsky   May-30-06 07:05 AM   #129 
                    - Its just common sense trotsky.  lvx35   May-30-06 07:42 PM   #140 
                       - So where in Mein Kampf does Hitler mention Nietzsche?  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 08:09 PM   #141 
                       - You have to look at what doctrine was acted out.  lvx35   May-30-06 09:59 PM   #143 
                       - Historically inaccurate?  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 10:07 PM   #144 
                       - I am sure that the German people  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 09:33 AM   #153 
                       - Um, lvx?  trotsky   May-30-06 08:35 PM   #142 
                       - Well fine! :)  lvx35   May-30-06 10:24 PM   #145 
                          - For the record,  beam me up scottie   May-30-06 10:31 PM   #146 
                             - This is important  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 09:37 AM   #154 
                                - I always have.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 02:20 PM   #175 
                                   - Of course they can.  Dorian Gray   May-31-06 10:44 PM   #196 
                                      - Oh please.  beam me up scottie   May-31-06 11:13 PM   #197 
                                         - Your error in using the "No True Scotman" fallacy  kwassa   Jun-01-06 07:34 AM   #199 
                                         - Your error is using the No True Scotsman fallacy to support your beliefs.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 10:05 AM   #204 
                                         - "Hitler was not at any stage of his life a Christian."  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:19 PM   #206 
                                         - That's an opinion, and opinion is not evidence, kwassa.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 12:32 PM   #209 
                                         - Opinions of professional historians are worth more than others.  kwassa   Jun-01-06 01:22 PM   #216 
                                         - Not when it comes to reading the minds of dead people ! Try again.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 08:42 PM   #236 
                                         - "Adolf Hitler - Christian, Atheist, or Neither?"  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:24 PM   #208 
                                         - Opinions are like assholes, kwassa!  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 12:36 PM   #210 
                                         - There is no renouncing requirement to become an ex-Christian  kwassa   Jun-01-06 01:00 PM   #215 
                                         - THere is if you need to prove he renounced his faith.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:06 PM   #217 
                                         - But I don't need to prove that  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:29 PM   #227 
                                         - Yes, you do. No facts=no proof. You need to prove he renounced his faith.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 08:46 PM   #237 
                                         - Those quotes are from "Hitler's Table Talk".  catbert836   Jun-01-06 04:03 PM   #235 
                                         - RE: "Christianity is an invention of sick brains"  bloom   Jun-05-06 10:02 AM   #245 
                                         - "Was Hitler a Christian?"  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:40 PM   #211 
                                         - Opinion  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:06 PM   #218 
                                         - You have nothing but opinion yourself, and no historical credentials  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:30 PM   #228 
                                         - I don't need them, you need to prove Hitler wrong, not me.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 08:48 PM   #238 
                                         - "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:11 PM   #223 
                                         - more from "Was Hitler a Christian?"  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:42 PM   #212 
                                         - Opinion.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:07 PM   #219 
                                         - No rebuttal from you. Can't make one?  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:31 PM   #229 
                                         - I don't need to, you have no proof. Give me something to rebut.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 08:55 PM   #239 
                                         - "I am fighting for the work of the Lord"  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:07 PM   #220 
                                         - A different author on "Was Hitler a Christian?"  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:50 PM   #213 
                                         - Opinion.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:08 PM   #221 
                                         - Historically researched opinion, worth more than unresearched  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:32 PM   #230 
                                         - Still opinion, not proof.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 08:58 PM   #240 
                                         - "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:15 PM   #224 
                                         - And you believe a patholigical liar?  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:36 PM   #233 
                                         - Why not? I believe you when you claim to be a christian.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 09:01 PM   #241 
                                         - "The Psychology of Hitler"  kwassa   Jun-01-06 12:56 PM   #214 
                                         - Opinion.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:09 PM   #222 
                                         - One note reply, aren't you? It is informed opinion, not uniformed.  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:34 PM   #231 
                                         - Opinion is not proof. Why use more notes when you can't even grok one?  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 09:06 PM   #242 
                                         - "I am fighting for the work of the Lord."  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 02:17 PM   #225 
                                         - Doesn't make him a Christian  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:34 PM   #232 
                                         - According to whom? Kwassa the Magnificent who just KNOWS he was lying?  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 09:11 PM   #243 
                                         - Straight Dope  kwassa   Jun-01-06 02:28 PM   #226 
                                         - Dope is definitely the word, kwassa. HINT: that's an opinion, not proof.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 09:14 PM   #244 
                                         - I'm NOT an apologetic who doesn't believe that  Dorian Gray   Jun-01-06 08:07 AM   #200 
                                            - Did I say you were?  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 09:53 AM   #203 
                                            - Your response to me was  Dorian Gray   Jun-01-06 10:39 AM   #205 
                                            - My point all along has been that bad people can be christians.  beam me up scottie   Jun-01-06 12:21 PM   #207 
                       - Funny thing about Nietzsche  catbert836   May-31-06 08:17 PM   #191 
                          - Say what you will about Nietzsche as a man...  lvx35   Jun-01-06 12:04 AM   #198 
                          - Scratch that, compiler.  catbert836   Jun-01-06 03:50 PM   #234 
                          - Nietzche is definitely  Dorian Gray   Jun-01-06 08:21 AM   #202 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-06 07:01 AM   #127 
           - Anybody who worships christ is a christian..PERIOD!  Evoman   May-31-06 01:04 AM   #147 
  - Cause apparently right wing "facism" has gone down a memory hole?  applegrove   May-28-06 07:59 PM   #39 
  - It is one thing to remember, it is quite another to be there at the site.  pnwmom   May-28-06 09:02 PM   #44 
     - I would imagine being there would be soul-blowing. But the pope..  applegrove   May-29-06 03:06 AM   #61 
  - After tragedies, people ALWAYS ask why God allowed it to happen.  Lefty48197   May-28-06 11:32 PM   #49 
  - because if god exists he is the ultimate being  zonmoy   May-29-06 12:58 AM   #51 
  - As I said, the Catholic response is that God gave humanity free will, and  pnwmom   May-29-06 01:40 AM   #53 
     - So are you saying that because of free will  zonmoy   May-29-06 01:53 AM   #56 
        - I'm not saying anything personally. I have no idea. The whole  pnwmom   May-29-06 02:05 AM   #57 
  - To try to assuage the guilt of the humans who participated in it  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   May-29-06 02:57 AM   #60 
  - I don't see the Pope, or anyone else,...  TreasonousBastard   May-29-06 04:13 AM   #63 
  - Blaming the Holocaust on 'Gods plan' serves several purposes  moobu2   May-30-06 02:53 PM   #134 
  - Maybe the Pope didn't get what he was expecting.  Evoman   May-31-06 08:27 PM   #192 
  - Better to blame God than for the RCC to accept blame.  ozone_man   May-31-06 10:26 PM   #194 
     - That's exactly right.  moobu2   Jun-05-06 10:44 AM   #246 
        - I would suggest that at least part of that agenda comes from  hedgehog   Jun-05-06 03:02 PM   #247 
           - That Nazi agenda was a Christian agenda.  moobu2   Jun-05-06 04:20 PM   #248 
 

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