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a Christian or not is complicated. http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlerchristian.ht... It is a long essay, because the writer shows both sides of the argument. But here's a bit of it: "It seems Hitler, like many modern-day politicians, spoke out of both sides of his mouth. And when he didn't, his lackeys did. It may have been political pandering, just like many of our current politicians who invoke God's name to gain support. "Also, it seems probable that Hitler, being the great manipulator, knew that he couldn't fight the Christian churches and their members right off the bat. So he made statements to put the church at ease and may have patronized religion as a way to prevent having to fight the Christian-based church. "In fact, Anton Gil notes in his book, An Honourable Defeat: A History of German Resistance to Hitler, 1933-1945: 'For his part, Hitler naturally wanted to bring the church into line with everything else in his scheme of things. He knew he dare not simply eradicate it: that would not have been possible with such an international organisation, and he would have lost many Christian supporters had he tried to. His principal aim was to unify the German Evangelical Church under a pro-Nazi banner, and to come to an accommodation with the Catholics.'" All of which reminds me of what Bush is trying to do; to unite the evangelicals and fundamentalists under a Republican party banner, and to come to an accomodation with Catholics.
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| -Why is the Pope blaming God for the Holocaust? |
hedgehog |
May-28-06 06:00 PM |
#0 |
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Cause he's German. |
Proud_Democratt |
May-28-06 06:00 PM |
#1 |
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the Pope or God ? nt |
tocqueville |
May-28-06 06:14 PM |
#7 |
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God is an American. |
varkam |
May-28-06 07:51 PM |
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! |
beam me up scottie |
May-28-06 07:56 PM |
#38 |
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Got mit uns ? |
tocqueville |
May-28-06 09:13 PM |
#46 |
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Nein. Nein. |
varkam |
May-29-06 12:38 AM |
#50 |
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Both of course! |
JVS |
May-30-06 12:30 AM |
#126 |
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What did he say exactly? I haven't heard about this. n/t |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 06:05 PM |
#2 |
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(Translation of) his speech here |
muriel_volestrangler |
May-28-06 06:13 PM |
#5 |
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I don't know who I hate more: Rat Face Ratinger or Bush |
Imagine My Surprise |
May-28-06 06:14 PM |
#8 |
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what has he done to you, except not being a Protestant ? |
tocqueville |
May-28-06 06:18 PM |
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Who is more of a threat to the whole world right now? |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 06:25 PM |
#17 |
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I agree with you. |
Proud_Democratt |
May-28-06 07:26 PM |
#35 |
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I am deeply offended by Ratzinger but I think Bush is a far greater threat |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 08:35 PM |
#40 |
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because if God didn't do it, man did and man is a wanker. name |
roguevalley |
May-28-06 07:24 PM |
#34 |
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Remember, he was also in Hitler's Nazi Youth... |
Imagine My Surprise |
May-28-06 06:10 PM |
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everybody was at that time - or else, big deal |
tocqueville |
May-28-06 06:16 PM |
#9 |
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catholics and lutherans loved the nazi party - |
msongs |
May-28-06 06:22 PM |
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Most of those who OPPOSED the Nazis were Catholic, Lutheran, or Jewish. |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 06:32 PM |
#18 |
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Actually, many who opposed the Nazis were Communists. |
onager |
May-30-06 09:52 AM |
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ALMOST ALL Germans are Catholics or Lutherans, braniac. |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 06:49 PM |
#23 |
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to be a hero demands to be very brave in those times |
tocqueville |
May-28-06 08:55 PM |
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Exacty, tocqueville. Whatever we say now could be used against us! |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 01:43 AM |
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Hold on a second! |
Zhade |
May-31-06 03:42 PM |
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Along with every other young person |
TallahasseeGrannie |
May-29-06 08:12 AM |
#64 |
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Linky, or at least a Quote? n/t |
Southpawkicker |
May-28-06 06:12 PM |
#4 |
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Here's link: |
Imagine My Surprise |
May-28-06 06:13 PM |
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God wasn't |
BayCityProgressive |
May-28-06 06:18 PM |
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I don't know |
BayCityProgressive |
May-28-06 06:21 PM |
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I Guess I Would Say Pope, God Did Do Something About It |
Southpawkicker |
May-28-06 06:20 PM |
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I think it was a rhetorical question, but it is a question many people ask |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 06:24 PM |
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There was NO Godly intervention during the Holocaust!!!! |
Proud_Democratt |
May-28-06 06:48 PM |
#22 |
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Well, now that Proud_Democratt has succinctly, |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 06:52 PM |
#25 |
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Nice idea.....you can worship the God that allows KILLING.... |
Proud_Democratt |
May-28-06 07:05 PM |
#27 |
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I actually don't believe in or worship any god, |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 07:07 PM |
#28 |
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I will punctuate HOW I want and when I want!!!!!! Got that??? |
Proud_Democratt |
May-28-06 07:13 PM |
#32 |
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Yes, I figured that out, actually. |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 07:16 PM |
#33 |
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Man!!!!!! What ARE we without |
TallahasseeGrannie |
May-29-06 08:17 AM |
#65 |
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On the other hand - |
hedgehog |
May-29-06 10:37 AM |
#66 |
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Plus 5 million more |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 01:15 PM |
#67 |
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I find it strange and ironic how God can create the heavens and |
Proud_Democratt |
May-29-06 09:39 PM |
#114 |
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Thanks Muriel and Southpawkicker for the links. As I read this, hedgehog, |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 06:22 PM |
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It Is A Hard Question To Answer Without Admitting |
Southpawkicker |
May-28-06 06:32 PM |
#19 |
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Maybe because there is no god? |
smirkymonkey |
May-29-06 06:36 PM |
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And the Popes claim infallibility. How does that square with enabling |
shain from kane |
May-29-06 06:54 PM |
#77 |
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Well, if God is almighty and good, he should have stepped in. |
Union Thug |
May-28-06 06:38 PM |
#20 |
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he is displaying, to no surprise, a juvenile understanding of the faith. |
xchrom |
May-28-06 06:47 PM |
#21 |
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However, whenever someone asks "Why would God let this happen?" |
Rufus T. Firefly |
May-28-06 06:51 PM |
#24 |
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Let's put this Hitler Youth bs to bed. |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 06:56 PM |
#26 |
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I dislike the guy |
beam me up scottie |
May-28-06 07:10 PM |
#29 |
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I also dislike Ratzinger aka Benedict for many |
Che_Nuevara |
May-28-06 07:11 PM |
#30 |
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See upthread. The apologia isn't convincing. |
Zhade |
May-31-06 03:51 PM |
#180 |
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Maybe not. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 05:25 PM |
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May-31-06 05:52 PM |
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Have you noticed |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 06:02 PM |
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May-31-06 06:06 PM |
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He's something else, isn't he? |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 06:17 PM |
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May-31-06 08:12 PM |
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Wow - now mentioning the posts were deleted, gets deleted. |
Zhade |
May-31-06 10:13 PM |
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Elucidate |
kwassa |
May-31-06 06:11 PM |
#187 |
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Well, not TOTALLY compulsory |
beachmom |
May-29-06 04:45 PM |
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I never once in my life said that Ratzinger was admirable. |
Che_Nuevara |
May-29-06 05:14 PM |
#74 |
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it's a legitimate question |
Bill McBlueState |
May-28-06 07:11 PM |
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And yet most Jews managed to hold onto their faith, and no one was more |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 08:41 PM |
#41 |
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The Catholic Church was working with Hitler so that he wouldn't |
FloridaPat |
May-28-06 07:33 PM |
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According to this atheistic web site, Hitler was born Catholic |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 09:00 PM |
#43 |
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Uh, those quotes are from Table Talk. |
beam me up scottie |
May-28-06 09:12 PM |
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I've seen them elsewhere, but this was the first site I ran across. Are |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 09:32 PM |
#47 |
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They're hearsay. |
beam me up scottie |
May-28-06 09:39 PM |
#48 |
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Very few "fallen-away" Catholics formally renounce their faith. They just |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 01:38 AM |
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He stated over and over that he believed in the christian god. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 01:44 AM |
#55 |
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I am not aware that those statements continued throughout his life. |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 02:07 AM |
#58 |
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Yes, keep telling yourself that. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 02:15 AM |
#59 |
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I agree with the writer here: the answer to whether Hitler remained |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 04:00 AM |
#62 |
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So you believe in opinion instead of history? |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 03:41 PM |
#70 |
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Hitler's religion is an interesting topic. |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 01:23 PM |
#68 |
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I can say Hitler wasn't a Christian. It is quite easy to do. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 02:19 PM |
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 03:52 PM |
#71 |
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.... |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 05:07 PM |
#73 |
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Very good point, catbert. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 06:49 PM |
#76 |
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No true Christian would be a Nazi. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 08:15 PM |
#78 |
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"No True Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 08:39 PM |
#79 |
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Reading is fundamental |
kwassa |
May-29-06 08:49 PM |
#84 |
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Reading comprehension problems, kwassa? |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:10 PM |
#93 |
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That's convenient |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 08:40 PM |
#80 |
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"Oh, yeah, blame those GODDAMN ATHEISTS" |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 08:45 PM |
#81 |
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I do my part. |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 08:47 PM |
#82 |
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Your father and I are so proud of you. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 08:48 PM |
#83 |
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Thanks, mom! |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 08:52 PM |
#85 |
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You folks seem to be into much back-slapping |
kwassa |
May-29-06 08:55 PM |
#87 |
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Well, catbert IS an honorary member of the Whackjob Atheist Corps. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:02 PM |
#89 |
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So, back-slapping is part of the ritual of your Corps? |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:38 PM |
#112 |
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Well if I told you that, |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:40 PM |
#115 |
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Does it bother you that much? |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 09:09 PM |
#92 |
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Actually, they don't. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:38 PM |
#110 |
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Yeah, the atheists don't claim the other guys own this forum and the mods |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:43 PM |
#118 |
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Self-identification isn't enough. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 08:54 PM |
#86 |
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Yes, catbert. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:00 PM |
#88 |
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It is simply political agenda. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:18 PM |
#98 |
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You claim to know that Hitler wasn't a christian. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:20 PM |
#101 |
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And again. |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 09:07 PM |
#91 |
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try as you might |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:27 PM |
#104 |
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A reasonable person wouldn't think they could decide who is christian |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:32 PM |
#106 |
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Incorrect. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:36 PM |
#109 |
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Nope, reasonable people don't think they can read the minds of dead people |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:39 PM |
#113 |
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Well, to be fair, |
Dorian Gray |
May-30-06 04:03 PM |
#135 |
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YOU don't get to determine who's christian and neither does kwassa. |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 06:35 PM |
#137 |
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"You have no credibility" |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 09:04 AM |
#150 |
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Okay then, he was a bad christian. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 09:53 AM |
#155 |
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Okay... |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 10:39 AM |
#162 |
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You are not a Christian then, kwassa. |
trotsky |
May-30-06 07:03 AM |
#128 |
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Walks the walk, eh? Then YOU'RE not a Christian. |
Zhade |
May-31-06 04:34 PM |
#181 |
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The defining trait of dictators is that they lie. |
lvx35 |
May-29-06 09:05 PM |
#90 |
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No True Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:13 PM |
#94 |
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"No True Scotsman" is a totally fallacious argument |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:16 PM |
#95 |
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Yes, you do need to prove otherwise. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:18 PM |
#99 |
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You are incorrect. |
lvx35 |
May-29-06 09:26 PM |
#103 |
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Nope, sorry. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:30 PM |
#105 |
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No, I don't. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:35 PM |
#107 |
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Your opinion and five bucks will get me a cappuccino at Starbucks. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:38 PM |
#111 |
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Guess what? You don't either. |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:41 PM |
#116 |
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Wow, you are a novice aren't you? |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:45 PM |
#119 |
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You need to understand that your have completely lost your argument |
kwassa |
May-29-06 09:52 PM |
#120 |
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Individual christians get to decide if they're christian, kwassa, not you. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:56 PM |
#121 |
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But you just told me it was God's job to decide that. |
kwassa |
May-30-06 07:59 AM |
#130 |
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If it's up to God, why are you telling us who is and who isn't a christian |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 09:52 AM |
#132 |
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If it is up to God, how can you claim Hitler is a Christian? |
kwassa |
May-30-06 11:08 AM |
#133 |
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I didn't claim that, HE did. |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 06:51 PM |
#138 |
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Which is why you lost this argument awhile ago, |
kwassa |
May-31-06 07:14 AM |
#148 |
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Wishful thinking on your part, kwassa, since you still have no proof |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 09:55 AM |
#156 |
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Hitler stating he was a Christian is not evidence of anything |
kwassa |
May-31-06 11:41 AM |
#164 |
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Saying Hitler wasn't a christian because kwassa says so isn't evidence |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 12:13 PM |
#165 |
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The burden of proof is upon those who assert Hitler's Christianity |
kwassa |
May-31-06 12:37 PM |
#167 |
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Hitler said he was a christian. Just like you say you are, kwassa. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 01:48 PM |
#170 |
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Sorry, you are changing the rules of the game when you start to lose |
kwassa |
May-31-06 02:05 PM |
#172 |
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Nope. Same No True Scotsman fallacy, same rules as before. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 02:15 PM |
#173 |
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Your claim, your proof, have offered nothing, thread over. |
kwassa |
May-31-06 02:26 PM |
#176 |
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ROFLMAO !!! Now you think you can decide when a thread is over? |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 02:39 PM |
#178 |
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The statement should be... |
Dorian Gray |
May-30-06 04:07 PM |
#136 |
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Wow. Did you figure that out all by yourself? |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 06:58 PM |
#139 |
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And who is to decide whose opinion has value? |
kwassa |
May-31-06 07:16 AM |
#149 |
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Opinion is useless when it's all you have for evidence of a belief. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 09:58 AM |
#157 |
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Hitler stating a claim to be Christian is not evidence |
kwassa |
May-31-06 11:38 AM |
#163 |
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You don’t get to decide who is and who isn’t a christian, kwassa. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 01:58 PM |
#171 |
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"Your opinion is as worthless as kwassa's." |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 09:16 AM |
#151 |
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Yep, in this context, it is. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 10:05 AM |
#158 |
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I never said that my opinion trumped history.... |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 10:19 AM |
#160 |
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How ridiculous. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 12:25 PM |
#166 |
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You never proved Hitler was a Christian. Your claim, you prove. |
kwassa |
May-31-06 12:40 PM |
#168 |
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I don't have to, kwassa. He said he was-you need to prove otherwise. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 01:45 PM |
#169 |
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But you said it was up to God to decide, not Hitler |
kwassa |
May-31-06 02:19 PM |
#174 |
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Using the reading comprehension defense again, kwassa? |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 02:35 PM |
#177 |
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Okay. |
catbert836 |
May-31-06 08:09 PM |
#189 |
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Catbert... |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 10:31 PM |
#195 |
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And no true christian would lie. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:17 PM |
#96 |
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Of course Christians lie.... |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 09:29 AM |
#152 |
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That's why the No True Scotsman fallacy is a fallacy. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 10:11 AM |
#159 |
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Oh, and silly little old me... |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 10:34 AM |
#161 |
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Oh, that's nothing. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 05:06 PM |
#182 |
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Well, that's another issue, |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-01-06 08:14 AM |
#201 |
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I recommend you read the entire sub-thread. |
catbert836 |
May-29-06 09:17 PM |
#97 |
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Again, you are making the mistake of taking Hitler at face value, against. |
lvx35 |
May-29-06 09:36 PM |
#108 |
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And we should take your word for it because? |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:42 PM |
#117 |
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The defining trait of dictators is that they lie.... |
Proud_Democratt |
May-29-06 09:18 PM |
#100 |
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Well, gosh, Proud Democrat, real christians don't lie. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 09:22 PM |
#102 |
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They're accustomed to ..."living a lie" |
Proud_Democratt |
May-29-06 10:05 PM |
#122 |
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I didn't mean that. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 10:14 PM |
#123 |
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There are many Christians that are very moral. However, |
Proud_Democratt |
May-29-06 10:41 PM |
#124 |
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Morals, morays and morans. |
beam me up scottie |
May-29-06 10:44 PM |
#125 |
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But there is no absolute agreement on just what the gospels say. |
trotsky |
May-30-06 07:05 AM |
#129 |
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Its just common sense trotsky. |
lvx35 |
May-30-06 07:42 PM |
#140 |
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So where in Mein Kampf does Hitler mention Nietzsche? |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 08:09 PM |
#141 |
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You have to look at what doctrine was acted out. |
lvx35 |
May-30-06 09:59 PM |
#143 |
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Historically inaccurate? |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 10:07 PM |
#144 |
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I am sure that the German people |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 09:33 AM |
#153 |
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Um, lvx? |
trotsky |
May-30-06 08:35 PM |
#142 |
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Well fine! :) |
lvx35 |
May-30-06 10:24 PM |
#145 |
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For the record, |
beam me up scottie |
May-30-06 10:31 PM |
#146 |
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This is important |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 09:37 AM |
#154 |
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I always have. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 02:20 PM |
#175 |
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Of course they can. |
Dorian Gray |
May-31-06 10:44 PM |
#196 |
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Oh please. |
beam me up scottie |
May-31-06 11:13 PM |
#197 |
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Your error in using the "No True Scotman" fallacy |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 07:34 AM |
#199 |
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Your error is using the No True Scotsman fallacy to support your beliefs. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 10:05 AM |
#204 |
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"Hitler was not at any stage of his life a Christian." |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:19 PM |
#206 |
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That's an opinion, and opinion is not evidence, kwassa. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 12:32 PM |
#209 |
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Opinions of professional historians are worth more than others. |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 01:22 PM |
#216 |
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Not when it comes to reading the minds of dead people ! Try again. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 08:42 PM |
#236 |
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"Adolf Hitler - Christian, Atheist, or Neither?" |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:24 PM |
#208 |
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Opinions are like assholes, kwassa! |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 12:36 PM |
#210 |
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There is no renouncing requirement to become an ex-Christian |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 01:00 PM |
#215 |
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THere is if you need to prove he renounced his faith. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:06 PM |
#217 |
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But I don't need to prove that |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:29 PM |
#227 |
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Yes, you do. No facts=no proof. You need to prove he renounced his faith. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 08:46 PM |
#237 |
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Those quotes are from "Hitler's Table Talk". |
catbert836 |
Jun-01-06 04:03 PM |
#235 |
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RE: "Christianity is an invention of sick brains" |
bloom |
Jun-05-06 10:02 AM |
#245 |
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"Was Hitler a Christian?" |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:40 PM |
#211 |
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Opinion |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:06 PM |
#218 |
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You have nothing but opinion yourself, and no historical credentials |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:30 PM |
#228 |
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I don't need them, you need to prove Hitler wrong, not me. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 08:48 PM |
#238 |
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:11 PM |
#223 |
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more from "Was Hitler a Christian?" |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:42 PM |
#212 |
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Opinion. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:07 PM |
#219 |
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No rebuttal from you. Can't make one? |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:31 PM |
#229 |
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I don't need to, you have no proof. Give me something to rebut. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 08:55 PM |
#239 |
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"I am fighting for the work of the Lord" |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:07 PM |
#220 |
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A different author on "Was Hitler a Christian?" |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:50 PM |
#213 |
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Opinion. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:08 PM |
#221 |
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Historically researched opinion, worth more than unresearched |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:32 PM |
#230 |
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Still opinion, not proof. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 08:58 PM |
#240 |
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:15 PM |
#224 |
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And you believe a patholigical liar? |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:36 PM |
#233 |
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Why not? I believe you when you claim to be a christian. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 09:01 PM |
#241 |
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"The Psychology of Hitler" |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 12:56 PM |
#214 |
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Opinion. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:09 PM |
#222 |
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One note reply, aren't you? It is informed opinion, not uniformed. |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:34 PM |
#231 |
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Opinion is not proof. Why use more notes when you can't even grok one? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 09:06 PM |
#242 |
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"I am fighting for the work of the Lord." |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 02:17 PM |
#225 |
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Doesn't make him a Christian |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:34 PM |
#232 |
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According to whom? Kwassa the Magnificent who just KNOWS he was lying? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 09:11 PM |
#243 |
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Straight Dope |
kwassa |
Jun-01-06 02:28 PM |
#226 |
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Dope is definitely the word, kwassa. HINT: that's an opinion, not proof. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 09:14 PM |
#244 |
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I'm NOT an apologetic who doesn't believe that |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-01-06 08:07 AM |
#200 |
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Did I say you were? |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 09:53 AM |
#203 |
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Your response to me was |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-01-06 10:39 AM |
#205 |
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My point all along has been that bad people can be christians. |
beam me up scottie |
Jun-01-06 12:21 PM |
#207 |
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Funny thing about Nietzsche |
catbert836 |
May-31-06 08:17 PM |
#191 |
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Say what you will about Nietzsche as a man... |
lvx35 |
Jun-01-06 12:04 AM |
#198 |
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Scratch that, compiler. |
catbert836 |
Jun-01-06 03:50 PM |
#234 |
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Nietzche is definitely |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-01-06 08:21 AM |
#202 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-30-06 07:01 AM |
#127 |
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Anybody who worships christ is a christian..PERIOD! |
Evoman |
May-31-06 01:04 AM |
#147 |
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Cause apparently right wing "facism" has gone down a memory hole? |
applegrove |
May-28-06 07:59 PM |
#39 |
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It is one thing to remember, it is quite another to be there at the site. |
pnwmom |
May-28-06 09:02 PM |
#44 |
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I would imagine being there would be soul-blowing. But the pope.. |
applegrove |
May-29-06 03:06 AM |
#61 |
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After tragedies, people ALWAYS ask why God allowed it to happen. |
Lefty48197 |
May-28-06 11:32 PM |
#49 |
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because if god exists he is the ultimate being |
zonmoy |
May-29-06 12:58 AM |
#51 |
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As I said, the Catholic response is that God gave humanity free will, and |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 01:40 AM |
#53 |
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So are you saying that because of free will |
zonmoy |
May-29-06 01:53 AM |
#56 |
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I'm not saying anything personally. I have no idea. The whole |
pnwmom |
May-29-06 02:05 AM |
#57 |
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To try to assuage the guilt of the humans who participated in it |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-29-06 02:57 AM |
#60 |
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I don't see the Pope, or anyone else,... |
TreasonousBastard |
May-29-06 04:13 AM |
#63 |
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Blaming the Holocaust on 'Gods plan' serves several purposes |
moobu2 |
May-30-06 02:53 PM |
#134 |
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Maybe the Pope didn't get what he was expecting. |
Evoman |
May-31-06 08:27 PM |
#192 |
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Better to blame God than for the RCC to accept blame. |
ozone_man |
May-31-06 10:26 PM |
#194 |
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That's exactly right. |
moobu2 |
Jun-05-06 10:44 AM |
#246 |
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I would suggest that at least part of that agenda comes from |
hedgehog |
Jun-05-06 03:02 PM |
#247 |
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That Nazi agenda was a Christian agenda. |
moobu2 |
Jun-05-06 04:20 PM |
#248 |