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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. There is no "proof from absurdity" when it comes to moral systems.
You have to assume one is objectively superior first.

I think it's utterly preposterous and obviously untrue. (emphasis added)

Exactly. You couldn't have proven my point better. You just showed that even you acknowledge that your moral system is subjective, too.
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  - I would add a fourth...  varkam   May-24-06 03:14 PM   #1 
  - You listed one explanation. Are there others?  Boojatta   May-24-06 03:20 PM   #2 
  - So do I. When Ayn Rand isn't merely irritating, she's boring my ass off.  Old Crusoe   May-24-06 06:01 PM   #6 
  - I can't count how many times I've started Atlas Shrugged...  SidDithers   May-30-06 11:58 AM   #38 
     - Hi, SidDithers. Yep. Hell of a keen mind no matter my take on the  Old Crusoe   May-30-06 08:53 PM   #40 
  - Aye  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   May-25-06 12:20 AM   #9 
  - Whooooosh!  TallahasseeGrannie   May-24-06 04:55 PM   #3 
  - While we're brushing the jet fumes out of our hair  charlie   May-24-06 05:18 PM   #4 
  - In that surreal realm I hold that John Calvin would be represented by  Old Crusoe   May-24-06 05:42 PM   #5 
  - You and me both, sir.  nemo137   May-24-06 07:39 PM   #7 
     - Hi, nemo137. I go pale when I think of what it must have been like  Old Crusoe   May-24-06 09:15 PM   #8 
  - Can't be a fluid. there are just 94 elements to work with.  Random_Australian   May-25-06 01:49 AM   #10 
  - Is this the Fifth Commandment of Ayn Rand worship?  Boojatta   May-25-06 12:56 PM   #11 
  - Absurd commandments, indeed  Zebedeo   May-25-06 04:04 PM   #12 
  - Yet since you can't prove YOUR set of moral laws has any sort of  trotsky   May-25-06 06:48 PM   #13 
     - There is no superiority  MrWiggles   May-25-06 07:09 PM   #14 
     - I happen to agree with you - mostly.  trotsky   May-25-06 07:57 PM   #15 
     -'s a personal choice...  SidDithers   May-30-06 11:59 AM   #39 
     - The proof is in the absurdity  Zebedeo   May-25-06 08:56 PM   #16 
     - There was no notion that "no set of laws were any better than any other" -  Random_Australian   May-26-06 04:37 AM   #17 
     - You can judge someone else's morality,  Zebedeo   May-26-06 11:11 AM   #24 
        - The act of judging gives properties of right and wrong, all subjectivity  Random_Australian   May-26-06 09:11 PM   #32 
     - There is no "proof from absurdity" when it comes to moral systems.  trotsky   May-26-06 06:49 AM   #18 
        - It must be a strange life you live  Zebedeo   May-26-06 11:06 AM   #23 
           - You just don't get it.  trotsky   May-26-06 02:20 PM   #25 
              - Ah - HAAA!  Zebedeo   May-26-06 04:24 PM   #28 
                 - Let me repeat: you still don't get it.  trotsky   May-26-06 04:39 PM   #29 
                 - Nope, it is still subjective, but unequal inside the subective reality  Random_Australian   May-26-06 09:18 PM   #33 
     - Could you define what it means to say that something is any kind of a  Boojatta   May-26-06 08:50 AM   #19 
        - Oh, I'm not defending big-O Objectivism.  trotsky   May-26-06 08:59 AM   #20 
           - Before you tell me that an evaluation of the quality of a moral system  Boojatta   May-26-06 09:09 AM   #21 
              - There are definitely objective elements.  trotsky   May-26-06 09:16 AM   #22 
              - The escense of the Bible answers a lot!  MrWiggles   May-26-06 05:21 PM   #30 
                 - You can say all those things,  trotsky   May-26-06 05:25 PM   #31 
              - But can we not any longer fully accept or deny the relative  Old Crusoe   May-26-06 03:35 PM   #27 
  - Some might say religious faith was mercury.  Zhade   May-26-06 02:21 PM   #26 
  - Actually, that could be a variety of comliments and insults.  Random_Australian   May-26-06 09:27 PM   #34 
     - "Whoosh."  Zhade   May-27-06 04:44 AM   #35 
        - I really should explain better. The big party trick of the alchemists  Random_Australian   May-27-06 05:36 AM   #36 
  - Where can I find a complete list of Commandments of Ayn Rand Worship?  Boojatta   May-30-06 11:10 AM   #37 
     - Boojatta, you might try contacting the Ayn Rand Bookshop in Irvine, CA.  Old Crusoe   Jun-02-06 06:14 AM   #41 
        - Perhaps the marketing department of the Ayn Rand Bookshop in Irvine, CA  Boojatta   Jun-04-06 11:35 PM   #42 

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