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| 74. It was certain by then Jesus would be put to death, but when? |
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Clearly, Jesus wanted it to coincide with the feast of the passover, for obvious reasons, both symbolic and prophetic.
That's why he had Judas go get the synagogue police, so they could arrest him, have him tried by the religious group, then delivered to the Romans. The crucifixion was a foregone conclusion. Jesus was merely one of thousands of Jewish men killed by Romans by crucifixion on that hill.
The story is built to coincide with the passover, by design. Whether it actually happened, who knows?
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| -Seems like Jesus actually committed suicide. |
WilliamPitt |
Apr-09-06 07:58 AM |
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I guess it's a good thing they didn't have cameras back then |
DoYouEverWonder |
Apr-09-06 08:01 AM |
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Suicide by Disciple. |
peekaloo |
Apr-09-06 08:04 AM |
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Good one! |
tavalon |
Apr-09-06 09:27 AM |
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wouldn't u end it if ur supporters were wacko's like falwell and delay |
liberaliraqvet26 |
Apr-09-06 08:04 AM |
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betray...a lot gets lost in translation... |
hholli11 |
Apr-09-06 08:04 AM |
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Suicide by police that is. But I refer you to the Passover Plot |
HereSince1628 |
Apr-09-06 08:05 AM |
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Thank you... |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-09-06 12:45 PM |
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a martyr complex? a political statement most extreme ? |
AZDemDist6 |
Apr-09-06 08:06 AM |
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How can Peter and Judas both deserve words of condemnation? |
Boojatta |
Apr-09-06 10:46 AM |
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well, there you go then! thanks n/t |
AZDemDist6 |
Apr-09-06 10:58 AM |
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The Gnostics were the suicide bunch..... |
ClintonTyree |
Apr-15-06 07:48 PM |
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Jesus is God. He could have destroyed Rome, the Jews, the earth |
mdmc |
Apr-09-06 08:07 AM |
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"Suicide generally implies an escape from this world" |
WilliamPitt |
Apr-09-06 08:11 AM |
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yup |
mdmc |
Apr-09-06 08:34 AM |
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after reflecting, I guess you are right |
mdmc |
Apr-09-06 08:45 AM |
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"Is there an official term for when God kills hims self ?" |
intheflow |
Apr-09-06 09:01 AM |
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that is what I was looking for and I will credit you with the creation |
mdmc |
Apr-09-06 09:08 AM |
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couldn't mere imprisonment be a 'sacrifice of the man'? |
bigtree |
Apr-09-06 10:14 AM |
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But then you have to assume that everything that Judas said was true |
bloom |
Apr-09-06 12:13 PM |
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Exactly |
hedgehog |
Apr-09-06 03:03 PM |
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Blood for Blood |
Jose Diablo |
Apr-09-06 12:58 PM |
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If that's all true Jesus could have done it without a crucifixion. |
mondo joe |
Apr-09-06 10:34 AM |
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but then God would not have suffered the death that all humans |
mdmc |
Apr-09-06 12:50 PM |
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So what? Who made up the rule that that had to happen? |
mondo joe |
Apr-09-06 12:58 PM |
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death is a great mystery |
mdmc |
Apr-10-06 07:56 AM |
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But Jesus is human as well |
theboss |
Jul-25-06 01:30 PM |
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re-enacting an "ancient mystery" |
librechik |
Apr-09-06 08:10 AM |
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Those brittle parchments date back to when parts of the Bible were written |
RC |
Apr-09-06 08:10 AM |
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A Third Temple is unnecessary, yet some form of sacrifice would continue |
EVDebs |
Apr-09-06 12:51 PM |
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The "pro-lifers" will not accept any new gospel. For them... |
DeepModem Mom |
Apr-09-06 08:12 AM |
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They certainly won't like that Adam is refered to as a lifeless vessel |
kikiek |
Apr-09-06 09:23 AM |
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They don't know their own history |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-06 09:47 AM |
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I've read Elaine Pagels' books. She's done a lot of work on this. nt |
DeepModem Mom |
Apr-09-06 10:09 AM |
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or |
ptolle |
Apr-09-06 11:48 AM |
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Are you certain you didn't fall asleep during a commercial? |
hedgehog |
Apr-09-06 03:05 PM |
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Organized religion has so twisted and corrupted the word of |
Daphne08 |
Apr-09-06 08:14 AM |
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The Last Supper by Michelangelo |
DrDebug |
Apr-09-06 08:15 AM |
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Correction... That's the Last Supper by DaVinci, not Michelangelo. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-09-06 08:19 AM |
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Replace Michelango with Da Vinci then |
DrDebug |
Apr-09-06 08:20 AM |
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DaVinci must be screaming in his grave! He and Michaelangelo were |
1monster |
Apr-09-06 05:26 PM |
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Snopes says this is false. |
KyuzoGator |
Apr-09-06 09:53 AM |
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LOL. Of course it's false. It's a fictional story ;) |
DrDebug |
Apr-09-06 09:55 AM |
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No. |
H2O Man |
Apr-09-06 08:17 AM |
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But if the Judas account is true, |
intheflow |
Apr-09-06 09:47 AM |
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You are right on one thing .... |
H2O Man |
Apr-12-06 01:55 PM |
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It's not suicide knowing you are to be martyred for your speech |
Mr_Spock |
Apr-09-06 10:47 AM |
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Knowing you MIGHT be killed is different than planning your own death. |
mondo joe |
Apr-09-06 11:34 AM |
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And can Dr. Kevorkian now be considered a saint? |
WakeMeUp |
Apr-09-06 08:18 AM |
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I think "suicide" is too strong a word |
lapislzi |
Apr-09-06 08:23 AM |
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I like your take on this, Will. |
vickitulsa |
Apr-09-06 08:26 AM |
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No, God had his own son wacked. |
fishnfla |
Apr-09-06 08:27 AM |
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Either that or the Judases hired a good PR firm. (n/t) |
dailykoff |
Apr-09-06 08:29 AM |
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Here's a link to the translation of the Gospel of Judas |
DoYouEverWonder |
Apr-09-06 08:29 AM |
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Edited because I've had no coffee. Your post 10 I believe is a |
helderheid |
Apr-09-06 08:41 AM |
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I'm normally a fan of your writing, Will, but |
cali |
Apr-09-06 08:43 AM |
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And isn't the beginning of Holy Week an especially good time |
QC |
Apr-09-06 08:46 AM |
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See post 10 |
WilliamPitt |
Apr-09-06 08:46 AM |
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In an unintended way |
H2O Man |
Apr-09-06 08:48 AM |
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God's willingness to to sacrifice himself has been central to |
intheflow |
Apr-09-06 09:20 AM |
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Thank you for that, intheflow |
supernova |
Apr-09-06 11:08 AM |
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Would this be the earliest incident of "Suicide by Cop"?? n/m |
Rosco T. |
Apr-09-06 11:29 AM |
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Did he not ask his father to remove this burden |
dogday |
Apr-09-06 08:44 AM |
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So let me see if I understand this correctly... |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-09-06 08:52 AM |
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yes, when the hell did he have the time to write his Gospel? |
leftchick |
Apr-09-06 11:24 AM |
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Now, you see, there's the flaw in the ointment. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-09-06 11:43 AM |
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I am a Catholic |
leftchick |
Apr-09-06 11:49 AM |
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I agree - Judas's shame kills that Gnostic revision - no assisted suicide |
papau |
Jul-21-06 09:51 PM |
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Too bad we don't have a... |
Everybody |
Apr-09-06 11:31 AM |
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That is what I think too. Reminds me in the modern day of the person |
kikiek |
Apr-09-06 08:52 AM |
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Yep. And this will be devastating to the 'God does not lie' crowd. |
bowens43 |
Apr-09-06 08:55 AM |
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Not if he thought he was going to survive. |
Festivito |
Apr-09-06 09:12 AM |
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Good one, Will. |
intheflow |
Apr-09-06 09:22 AM |
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assisted suicide |
standup |
Apr-09-06 09:24 AM |
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Beat me to it. I was going to write "assisted suicide". Welcome |
Turn CO Blue |
Apr-09-06 10:25 AM |
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More like suicide by cop |
undeterred |
Apr-09-06 09:25 AM |
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Unless, of course, he didn't die at that time. |
Ilsa |
Apr-09-06 09:36 AM |
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Which is kind of refuted by the Gospel of John |
hedgehog |
Apr-09-06 03:13 PM |
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What sort of evidence did they have to support the claims? |
LiberalVoice |
Apr-18-06 11:30 AM |
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Suicide and Catholic Church History |
Crisco |
Apr-09-06 09:46 AM |
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first you have to prove.. |
ananda |
Apr-09-06 09:47 AM |
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You are reading it all wrong |
AngryAmish |
Apr-09-06 09:49 AM |
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I have never read anything that describes Gnosticism as you have. The main |
kikiek |
Apr-09-06 10:57 AM |
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Death in the name of religion? You mean that the chrisiban will |
antifaschits |
Apr-09-06 09:50 AM |
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It's not a problem for this Christian....because I don't make those |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-09-06 09:55 AM |
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Ask Richard Bach. |
lildreamer316 |
Apr-09-06 09:52 AM |
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I did, read it long ago, and I'll admit I read it again several years |
vickitulsa |
Apr-09-06 05:25 PM |
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I've always thought it was along those lines anyway |
EstimatedProphet |
Apr-09-06 09:56 AM |
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Or is the term "Satan entered him" a metaphor? |
hedgehog |
Apr-09-06 03:18 PM |
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I believe the term is assisted suicide. |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-09-06 09:57 AM |
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Wow, I never thought of it like that.. |
converted_democrat |
Apr-09-06 09:57 AM |
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how could Judas even write a Gospel |
leftchick |
Apr-09-06 09:58 AM |
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Do we know ..... |
Proud_Democratt |
Apr-09-06 08:50 PM |
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It sounds like Judas did what was asked of him. |
im10ashus |
Apr-09-06 09:59 AM |
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allowing himself to be taken by the ones who ultimately killed him |
bigtree |
Apr-09-06 10:09 AM |
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I don't believe that.. He knew what was coming, he knew that he was |
converted_democrat |
Apr-09-06 10:47 AM |
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Didn't his execution hang on the whim of his captors? |
bigtree |
Apr-09-06 12:52 PM |
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He knew that he wasn't going to be set free, he knew he was going |
converted_democrat |
Apr-09-06 01:45 PM |
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No he didn't want it to happen |
IndependentVoice |
Jul-25-06 01:51 PM |
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Here we are, five billions years into the Earth's existence, |
Oregonian |
Apr-09-06 10:10 AM |
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Bzzzt! This is a tragic example |
leftofthedial |
Apr-09-06 10:11 AM |
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There have always been "other" gospels out there. |
Plaid Adder |
Apr-09-06 10:13 AM |
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Sort of like finding out Rudolph didn't have a shiny nose... |
Finder |
Apr-09-06 10:15 AM |
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Heh yeah..... |
jus_the_facts |
Apr-09-06 04:55 PM |
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You Could Call It A "Sacrifice"' |
The River |
Apr-09-06 10:21 AM |
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more like 'Assisted Suicide' |
mikelgb |
Apr-09-06 10:37 AM |
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Or this new gospel buttresses another theory concerning Jesus |
MadHound |
Apr-09-06 10:45 AM |
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A religion based on a PR stunt ... |
Oregonian |
Apr-09-06 12:56 PM |
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It was certain by then Jesus would be put to death, but when? |
Neil Lisst |
Apr-09-06 10:48 AM |
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I guess we'll have to make do with the Easter Bunny |
savemefromdumbya |
Apr-09-06 10:50 AM |
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are you trying to reason with them? |
Magic Rat |
Apr-09-06 10:51 AM |
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What hasn't been mentioned... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-09-06 11:00 AM |
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Jesus-gate, what more do I need to say? (n/t) |
originalpckelly |
Apr-09-06 11:09 AM |
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Gives a whole new meaning... |
Everybody |
Apr-09-06 11:21 AM |
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Jesus was only following the script. He said many many time, |
0007 |
Apr-09-06 11:29 AM |
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Jesus was taken down off the cross before he was dead according |
Maraya1969 |
Apr-09-06 11:29 AM |
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Don't forget that he was in pretty rough shape before he was |
hedgehog |
Apr-09-06 03:26 PM |
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Yep |
DS1 |
Apr-09-06 11:31 AM |
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What do you think he would say today? |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-09-06 12:11 PM |
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He knew he had to die. |
Gregorian |
Apr-09-06 12:42 PM |
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Interesting interpretation.. |
kentuck |
Apr-09-06 01:00 PM |
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Wow, excellent question. |
mzmolly |
Apr-09-06 01:01 PM |
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You don't have to go as far as the gospel of Judas to |
Cleita |
Apr-09-06 01:05 PM |
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Well, assisted suicide, at least. |
Zhade |
Apr-09-06 02:16 PM |
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I don't need the Gospel of Judas |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-09-06 03:04 PM |
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"At least according to the other Gospels...." |
Disturbed |
Apr-09-06 07:41 PM |
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Good observation, Disturbed and |
Proud_Democratt |
Apr-09-06 08:45 PM |
#118 |
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Good questions, all |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-10-06 07:47 AM |
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The Passover Plot by Hugh Schonfield c. 1965 |
EVDebs |
Apr-09-06 10:55 PM |
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Jesus was surrendered to the Father's will, and it was that will... |
wizdum |
Apr-09-06 11:22 PM |
#121 |
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There is a pattern to your suicide theory... |
astonamous |
Apr-10-06 09:49 AM |
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Very Interesting Understanding, Again, of the Real Original Church |
Hidden Stillness |
Apr-11-06 12:36 PM |
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It's my understanding that Jesus asked his father |
madeline_con |
Apr-12-06 06:26 PM |
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... and suicide is a mortal sin. Guess he's going to hell ... nt. |
Strong Atheist |
Apr-13-06 05:47 PM |
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Well according to some he just escaped and went to France |
OhioBlues |
Apr-19-06 03:27 PM |
#131 |
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Dude, aren't you thinking about Jim Morrison? |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-19-06 03:31 PM |
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lol |
OhioBlues |
Apr-19-06 03:41 PM |
#133 |
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If One Believes That God Is In Control |
Southpawkicker |
May-27-06 04:57 PM |
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Jesus was not suicidal |
ReyHinckley |
May-29-06 10:40 PM |
#135 |
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You have a point there, however |
libhill |
May-29-06 11:37 PM |
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No not suicide. |
LiberalVoice |
Jul-24-06 05:16 AM |
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No, but was that really a sacrifice? |
Solon |
Jul-25-06 12:20 AM |
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Of course it wasn't a sacrifice. |
LiberalVoice |
Jul-25-06 04:36 AM |
#140 |
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The Gospel of Judas only changes our interpetation of Judas |
theboss |
Jul-25-06 01:28 PM |
#141 |
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