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49. Death in the name of religion? You mean that the chrisiban will
attack non-believers with SUV bombs?
I can see it now. The attack of the christian soccer moms.

Good questions, though. The problem for the christians is despite their best efforts to assassinate, destroy, erase, murder, torture, imprison, burn, mangle mutilate and silence the Gnostics, some of their stuff managed to survive. Council of trent, Council of Nicea, and other sectarian battlegrounds did not suceed. Now, they have to explain away why most of their stories were wrong.

Add to this the growing agreement that the virgin mary was no virgin, simply young, (a translation problem, common with other problems and weirdness in their instruction manual) and you have factual proof that the fundemental bases of their whole fairy tale is wrong.

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  -Seems like Jesus actually committed suicide. WilliamPitt  Apr-09-06 07:58 AM   #0 
  - I guess it's a good thing they didn't have cameras back then  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-09-06 08:01 AM   #1 
  - Suicide by Disciple.  peekaloo   Apr-09-06 08:04 AM   #2 
  - Good one!  tavalon   Apr-09-06 09:27 AM   #42 
  - wouldn't u end it if ur supporters were wacko's like falwell and delay  liberaliraqvet26   Apr-09-06 08:04 AM   #3 
  - betray...a lot gets lost in translation...  hholli11   Apr-09-06 08:04 AM   #4 
  - Suicide by police that is. But I refer you to the Passover Plot  HereSince1628   Apr-09-06 08:05 AM   #5 
  - Thank you...  Blue_In_AK   Apr-09-06 12:45 PM   #96 
  - a martyr complex? a political statement most extreme ?  AZDemDist6   Apr-09-06 08:06 AM   #6 
  - How can Peter and Judas both deserve words of condemnation?  Boojatta   Apr-09-06 10:46 AM   #71 
     - well, there you go then! thanks n/t  AZDemDist6   Apr-09-06 10:58 AM   #78 
     - The Gnostics were the suicide bunch.....  ClintonTyree   Apr-15-06 07:48 PM   #129 
  - Jesus is God. He could have destroyed Rome, the Jews, the earth  mdmc   Apr-09-06 08:07 AM   #7 
  - "Suicide generally implies an escape from this world"  WilliamPitt   Apr-09-06 08:11 AM   #10 
  - yup  mdmc   Apr-09-06 08:34 AM   #23 
  - after reflecting, I guess you are right  mdmc   Apr-09-06 08:45 AM   #27 
  - "Is there an official term for when God kills hims self ?"  intheflow   Apr-09-06 09:01 AM   #34 
     - that is what I was looking for and I will credit you with the creation  mdmc   Apr-09-06 09:08 AM   #35 
  - couldn't mere imprisonment be a 'sacrifice of the man'?  bigtree   Apr-09-06 10:14 AM   #64 
  - But then you have to assume that everything that Judas said was true  bloom   Apr-09-06 12:13 PM   #94 
  - Exactly  hedgehog   Apr-09-06 03:03 PM   #108 
  - Blood for Blood  Jose Diablo   Apr-09-06 12:58 PM   #101 
  - If that's all true Jesus could have done it without a crucifixion.  mondo joe   Apr-09-06 10:34 AM   #68 
     - but then God would not have suffered the death that all humans  mdmc   Apr-09-06 12:50 PM   #97 
        - So what? Who made up the rule that that had to happen?  mondo joe   Apr-09-06 12:58 PM   #102 
           - death is a great mystery  mdmc   Apr-10-06 07:56 AM   #123 
           - But Jesus is human as well  theboss   Jul-25-06 01:30 PM   #142 
  - re-enacting an "ancient mystery"  librechik   Apr-09-06 08:10 AM   #8 
  - Those brittle parchments date back to when parts of the Bible were written  RC   Apr-09-06 08:10 AM   #9 
  - A Third Temple is unnecessary, yet some form of sacrifice would continue  EVDebs   Apr-09-06 12:51 PM   #98 
  - The "pro-lifers" will not accept any new gospel. For them...  DeepModem Mom   Apr-09-06 08:12 AM   #11 
  - They certainly won't like that Adam is refered to as a lifeless vessel  kikiek   Apr-09-06 09:23 AM   #39 
  - They don't know their own history  kgfnally   Apr-09-06 09:47 AM   #46 
     - I've read Elaine Pagels' books. She's done a lot of work on this. nt  DeepModem Mom   Apr-09-06 10:09 AM   #59 
     - or  ptolle   Apr-09-06 11:48 AM   #91 
     - Are you certain you didn't fall asleep during a commercial?  hedgehog   Apr-09-06 03:05 PM   #110 
  - Organized religion has so twisted and corrupted the word of  Daphne08   Apr-09-06 08:14 AM   #12 
  - The Last Supper by Michelangelo  DrDebug   Apr-09-06 08:15 AM   #13 
  - Correction... That's the Last Supper by DaVinci, not Michelangelo.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-09-06 08:19 AM   #16 
  - Replace Michelango with Da Vinci then  DrDebug   Apr-09-06 08:20 AM   #17 
     - DaVinci must be screaming in his grave! He and Michaelangelo were  1monster   Apr-09-06 05:26 PM   #116 
  - Snopes says this is false.  KyuzoGator   Apr-09-06 09:53 AM   #51 
     - LOL. Of course it's false. It's a fictional story ;)  DrDebug   Apr-09-06 09:55 AM   #52 
  - No.  H2O Man   Apr-09-06 08:17 AM   #14 
  - But if the Judas account is true,  intheflow   Apr-09-06 09:47 AM   #47 
  - You are right on one thing ....  H2O Man   Apr-12-06 01:55 PM   #126 
  - It's not suicide knowing you are to be martyred for your speech  Mr_Spock   Apr-09-06 10:47 AM   #73 
  - Knowing you MIGHT be killed is different than planning your own death.  mondo joe   Apr-09-06 11:34 AM   #89 
  - And can Dr. Kevorkian now be considered a saint?  WakeMeUp   Apr-09-06 08:18 AM   #15 
  - I think "suicide" is too strong a word  lapislzi   Apr-09-06 08:23 AM   #18 
  - I like your take on this, Will.  vickitulsa   Apr-09-06 08:26 AM   #19 
  - No, God had his own son wacked.  fishnfla   Apr-09-06 08:27 AM   #20 
  - Either that or the Judases hired a good PR firm. (n/t)  dailykoff   Apr-09-06 08:29 AM   #21 
  - Here's a link to the translation of the Gospel of Judas  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-09-06 08:29 AM   #22 
  - Edited because I've had no coffee. Your post 10 I believe is a  helderheid   Apr-09-06 08:41 AM   #24 
  - I'm normally a fan of your writing, Will, but  cali   Apr-09-06 08:43 AM   #25 
  - And isn't the beginning of Holy Week an especially good time  QC   Apr-09-06 08:46 AM   #28 
  - See post 10  WilliamPitt   Apr-09-06 08:46 AM   #29 
  - In an unintended way  H2O Man   Apr-09-06 08:48 AM   #30 
  - God's willingness to to sacrifice himself has been central to  intheflow   Apr-09-06 09:20 AM   #37 
  - Thank you for that, intheflow  supernova   Apr-09-06 11:08 AM   #80 
  - Would this be the earliest incident of "Suicide by Cop"?? n/m  Rosco T.   Apr-09-06 11:29 AM   #85 
  - Did he not ask his father to remove this burden  dogday   Apr-09-06 08:44 AM   #26 
  - So let me see if I understand this correctly...  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-09-06 08:52 AM   #31 
  - yes, when the hell did he have the time to write his Gospel?  leftchick   Apr-09-06 11:24 AM   #83 
  - Now, you see, there's the flaw in the ointment.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-09-06 11:43 AM   #90 
     - I am a Catholic  leftchick   Apr-09-06 11:49 AM   #92 
        - I agree - Judas's shame kills that Gnostic revision - no assisted suicide  papau   Jul-21-06 09:51 PM   #137 
  - Too bad we don't have a...  Everybody   Apr-09-06 11:31 AM   #88 
  - That is what I think too. Reminds me in the modern day of the person  kikiek   Apr-09-06 08:52 AM   #32 
  - Yep. And this will be devastating to the 'God does not lie' crowd.  bowens43   Apr-09-06 08:55 AM   #33 
  - Not if he thought he was going to survive.  Festivito   Apr-09-06 09:12 AM   #36 
  - Good one, Will.  intheflow   Apr-09-06 09:22 AM   #38 
  - assisted suicide  standup   Apr-09-06 09:24 AM   #40 
  - Beat me to it. I was going to write "assisted suicide". Welcome  Turn CO Blue   Apr-09-06 10:25 AM   #67 
  - More like suicide by cop  undeterred   Apr-09-06 09:25 AM   #41 
  - Unless, of course, he didn't die at that time.  Ilsa   Apr-09-06 09:36 AM   #43 
  - Which is kind of refuted by the Gospel of John  hedgehog   Apr-09-06 03:13 PM   #111 
  - What sort of evidence did they have to support the claims?  LiberalVoice   Apr-18-06 11:30 AM   #130 
  - Suicide and Catholic Church History  Crisco   Apr-09-06 09:46 AM   #44 
  - first you have to prove..  ananda   Apr-09-06 09:47 AM   #45 
  - You are reading it all wrong  AngryAmish   Apr-09-06 09:49 AM   #48 
  - I have never read anything that describes Gnosticism as you have. The main  kikiek   Apr-09-06 10:57 AM   #77 
  - Death in the name of religion? You mean that the chrisiban will  antifaschits   Apr-09-06 09:50 AM   #49 
  - It's not a problem for this Christian....because I don't make those  MrsGrumpy   Apr-09-06 09:55 AM   #53 
  - Ask Richard Bach.  lildreamer316   Apr-09-06 09:52 AM   #50 
  - I did, read it long ago, and I'll admit I read it again several years  vickitulsa   Apr-09-06 05:25 PM   #115 
  - I've always thought it was along those lines anyway  EstimatedProphet   Apr-09-06 09:56 AM   #54 
  - Or is the term "Satan entered him" a metaphor?  hedgehog   Apr-09-06 03:18 PM   #112 
  - I believe the term is assisted suicide.  MrsGrumpy   Apr-09-06 09:57 AM   #55 
  - Wow, I never thought of it like that..  converted_democrat   Apr-09-06 09:57 AM   #56 
  - how could Judas even write a Gospel  leftchick   Apr-09-06 09:58 AM   #57 
  - Do we know .....  Proud_Democratt   Apr-09-06 08:50 PM   #119 
  - It sounds like Judas did what was asked of him.  im10ashus   Apr-09-06 09:59 AM   #58 
  - allowing himself to be taken by the ones who ultimately killed him  bigtree   Apr-09-06 10:09 AM   #60 
  - I don't believe that.. He knew what was coming, he knew that he was  converted_democrat   Apr-09-06 10:47 AM   #72 
     - Didn't his execution hang on the whim of his captors?  bigtree   Apr-09-06 12:52 PM   #99 
     - He knew that he wasn't going to be set free, he knew he was going  converted_democrat   Apr-09-06 01:45 PM   #106 
     - No he didn't want it to happen  IndependentVoice   Jul-25-06 01:51 PM   #143 
  - Here we are, five billions years into the Earth's existence,  Oregonian   Apr-09-06 10:10 AM   #61 
  - Bzzzt! This is a tragic example  leftofthedial   Apr-09-06 10:11 AM   #62 
  - There have always been "other" gospels out there.  Plaid Adder   Apr-09-06 10:13 AM   #63 
  - Sort of like finding out Rudolph didn't have a shiny nose...  Finder   Apr-09-06 10:15 AM   #65 
  - Heh yeah.....  jus_the_facts   Apr-09-06 04:55 PM   #114 
  - You Could Call It A "Sacrifice"'  The River   Apr-09-06 10:21 AM   #66 
  - more like 'Assisted Suicide'  mikelgb   Apr-09-06 10:37 AM   #69 
  - Or this new gospel buttresses another theory concerning Jesus  MadHound   Apr-09-06 10:45 AM   #70 
  - A religion based on a PR stunt ...  Oregonian   Apr-09-06 12:56 PM   #100 
  - It was certain by then Jesus would be put to death, but when?  Neil Lisst   Apr-09-06 10:48 AM   #74 
  - I guess we'll have to make do with the Easter Bunny  savemefromdumbya   Apr-09-06 10:50 AM   #75 
  - are you trying to reason with them?  Magic Rat   Apr-09-06 10:51 AM   #76 
  - What hasn't been mentioned...  hlthe2b   Apr-09-06 11:00 AM   #79 
  - Jesus-gate, what more do I need to say? (n/t)  originalpckelly   Apr-09-06 11:09 AM   #81 
  - Gives a whole new meaning...  Everybody   Apr-09-06 11:21 AM   #82 
  - Jesus was only following the script. He said many many time,  0007   Apr-09-06 11:29 AM   #84 
  - Jesus was taken down off the cross before he was dead according  Maraya1969   Apr-09-06 11:29 AM   #86 
  - Don't forget that he was in pretty rough shape before he was  hedgehog   Apr-09-06 03:26 PM   #113 
  - Yep  DS1   Apr-09-06 11:31 AM   #87 
  - What do you think he would say today?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-09-06 12:11 PM   #93 
  - He knew he had to die.  Gregorian   Apr-09-06 12:42 PM   #95 
  - Interesting interpretation..  kentuck   Apr-09-06 01:00 PM   #103 
  - Wow, excellent question.  mzmolly   Apr-09-06 01:01 PM   #104 
  - You don't have to go as far as the gospel of Judas to  Cleita   Apr-09-06 01:05 PM   #105 
  - Well, assisted suicide, at least.  Zhade   Apr-09-06 02:16 PM   #107 
  - I don't need the Gospel of Judas  TallahasseeGrannie   Apr-09-06 03:04 PM   #109 
  - "At least according to the other Gospels...."  Disturbed   Apr-09-06 07:41 PM   #117 
     - Good observation, Disturbed and  Proud_Democratt   Apr-09-06 08:45 PM   #118 
     - Good questions, all  TallahasseeGrannie   Apr-10-06 07:47 AM   #122 
  - The Passover Plot by Hugh Schonfield c. 1965  EVDebs   Apr-09-06 10:55 PM   #120 
  - Jesus was surrendered to the Father's will, and it was that will...  wizdum   Apr-09-06 11:22 PM   #121 
  - There is a pattern to your suicide theory...  astonamous   Apr-10-06 09:49 AM   #124 
  - Very Interesting Understanding, Again, of the Real Original Church  Hidden Stillness   Apr-11-06 12:36 PM   #125 
  - It's my understanding that Jesus asked his father  madeline_con   Apr-12-06 06:26 PM   #127 
  - ... and suicide is a mortal sin. Guess he's going to hell ... nt.  Strong Atheist   Apr-13-06 05:47 PM   #128 
  - Well according to some he just escaped and went to France  OhioBlues   Apr-19-06 03:27 PM   #131 
  - Dude, aren't you thinking about Jim Morrison?  Goblinmonger   Apr-19-06 03:31 PM   #132 
     - lol  OhioBlues   Apr-19-06 03:41 PM   #133 
  - If One Believes That God Is In Control  Southpawkicker   May-27-06 04:57 PM   #134 
  - Jesus was not suicidal  ReyHinckley   May-29-06 10:40 PM   #135 
  - You have a point there, however  libhill   May-29-06 11:37 PM   #136 
  - No not suicide.  LiberalVoice   Jul-24-06 05:16 AM   #138 
  - No, but was that really a sacrifice?  Solon   Jul-25-06 12:20 AM   #139 
     - Of course it wasn't a sacrifice.  LiberalVoice   Jul-25-06 04:36 AM   #140 
  - The Gospel of Judas only changes our interpetation of Judas  theboss   Jul-25-06 01:28 PM   #141 
 

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