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256. I Still Can't Get Over This Bit Of Nonsense...
Further up the thread, someone asked:

Do they think we are threatening them in some way, that we want to take their rights from them?


I find it positively astounding to think that any reasonably intelligent individual would suggest that such things were not true. Statements like that--at worst--reek of intellectual dishonesty, or--at best--extreme naivety.

It ranks right up there with the "every atheists is trying to convert us" nonsense that we're witnessing in another thread in this forum. This irrational fear that some folks have of atheists, and the "we're poor persecuted Christians" is really too much.

No... seriously, it's TOO much. Stop it!

There's been a disconnect from reality from those two separate mindsets at the far end of the religionist spectrum. There's one extremely paranoid group that feels as though atheists are the new Pod-People who seek to convert all believers (into what I wonder?)

Then there's another extremely myopic group that's totally oblivious (or pretends to be oblivious) to the actual goings-on in our government, with our laws, and even our constitution. They are absolutely clueless as to what it is that the religionists are doing when it comes to non-believers or anyone unlike themselves.

To see perfect examples of this, one needs to look no further than the religious-based challenges to a woman's right to privacy; attempts to deny equal rights to homosexuals; and attempts to legislate that religious creationist fairy tales are taught in public schools.

Do they think we are threatening them in some way, that we want to take their rights from them?


On the face of it, that's an absurd thing to say... and it speaks volumes about the type of person who would seriously ask such a thing. But what's even more revealing is that when the statement is challenged, the OP chooses to play evasive Clintonian word games.


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  The basic disconnect in the discussion of atheism/theism. kwassa  Mar-24-06 04:15 PM   #0 
   i affirmatively believe there are no gods  maxsolomon   Mar-24-06 04:23 PM   #1 
   And if it were, what then?  Lerkfish   Mar-24-06 04:26 PM   #5 
   my comment was to IR-rationality  maxsolomon   Mar-24-06 05:47 PM   #37 
   I also afirmatively believe there are no gods.  electropop   Mar-24-06 04:35 PM   #13 
   You make very valid observations, but I would add that many atheists  Lerkfish   Mar-24-06 04:24 PM   #2 
   Is it an issue of respect, or an actual language barrier?  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:26 PM   #26 
   I think it is a matter of respect. If you feel limited by a word, then you  Lerkfish   Mar-25-06 07:23 PM   #95 
   Is respect the ultimate value necessary to a good discussion?  kwassa   Mar-27-06 08:54 PM   #120 
   Another good question  JerseygirlCT   Mar-25-06 08:46 PM   #103 
   well said :-)  papau   Mar-30-06 03:53 PM   #199 
   From our interactions, you know that you and I can agree on that.  Zhade   Mar-24-06 06:00 PM   #46 
   :shrugs: I dunno. I think its because POV on theism, atheism is extremely  Lerkfish   Mar-25-06 07:18 PM   #93 
      An excellent, reasonable post.  Zhade   Mar-26-06 02:31 AM   #106 
   You hit on a point that shows limitations on human understanding, no  heidler1   Mar-25-06 03:34 PM   #81 
   Faith in a deity or faith that there is no deity  dmordue   Mar-24-06 04:25 PM   #3 
   I agree  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:34 PM   #30 
   Atheists have no faith  Kare   Mar-24-06 05:42 PM   #34 
   I'm sorry, but your definition is one of about six  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:54 PM   #41 
      I'm aware  Kare   Mar-24-06 06:03 PM   #51 
   Agreed. Of course, I myself do not have faith there are no gods.  Zhade   Mar-24-06 06:01 PM   #48 
   i see things a bit differently  centristo   Mar-24-06 04:25 PM   #4 
   The athiest possition does not say religion is pointless.  ThomCat   Mar-24-06 04:30 PM   #8 
   i don't think the biggest athesit in the world can  centristo   Mar-24-06 05:06 PM   #21 
      Do you mean more good than harm?  ladjf   Mar-24-06 06:29 PM   #57 
   Consider this: "You're a godless heathen, and you're going to hell"  Lerkfish   Mar-24-06 04:31 PM   #9 
   it is irrelevant to the atheist  centristo   Mar-24-06 04:57 PM   #17 
   are you intentionally missing the point?  Lerkfish   Mar-24-06 05:08 PM   #22 
      I understand the point  Kare   Mar-24-06 06:01 PM   #47 
         to clarify: I do not wish to call you anything.  Lerkfish   Mar-25-06 07:46 PM   #99 
   I agree with this.  ThomCat   Mar-24-06 06:13 PM   #54 
   Context is important, in such cases  0rganism   Mar-27-06 04:41 PM   #115 
   Is it possible, in your opinion,  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-24-06 04:54 PM   #16 
   I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean  centristo   Mar-24-06 04:57 PM   #18 
      Star Trek Spock?  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-24-06 05:04 PM   #19 
         is there any other?  centristo   Mar-24-06 05:09 PM   #23 
         Oh please.  trotsky   Mar-24-06 05:41 PM   #33 
            Oh please yourself  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-24-06 05:47 PM   #36 
   False.  Zhade   Mar-24-06 06:05 PM   #52 
   meaningless semantics  ThomCat   Mar-24-06 04:27 PM   #6 
   I agree with you, but many atheists in this forum would disagree  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:29 PM   #27 
   Sorry, that's wrong.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:04 PM   #88 
   trying to avoid the loaded terms, ...  unblock   Mar-24-06 04:28 PM   #7 
   as an atheist...  Xeric   Mar-24-06 04:31 PM   #10 
   In my original post I pointed out the limitations of these definitions  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:33 PM   #29 
   semantic obfuscation on your part  Xeric   Mar-24-06 05:53 PM   #40 
      Absolutely not.  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:57 PM   #44 
         Funny thing with that definition.  trotsky   Mar-24-06 06:13 PM   #53 
            Two apply, at least  kwassa   Mar-24-06 06:24 PM   #56 
               You are completely wrong.  trotsky   Mar-25-06 08:18 AM   #75 
                  I think I've decoded the Kwassa Mystery.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:13 PM   #90 
                     It sure seems that way.  trotsky   Mar-25-06 07:38 PM   #97 
   That's exactly right.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:07 PM   #89 
   semantics are very hard to deal with  wtbymark   Mar-24-06 04:32 PM   #11 
   It's not semantics - see upthread.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:15 PM   #91 
   Atheism comes in several flavors  TechBear_Seattle   Mar-24-06 04:32 PM   #12 
   You raise interesting points  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-24-06 04:39 PM   #14 
   Your last paragraph is right on.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:18 PM   #94 
   Consider the following distinction...  brooklynite   Mar-24-06 04:52 PM   #15 
   hmmm ....  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:40 PM   #32 
   I'm not sure I understand the difference you are trying to  scorpiogirl   Mar-24-06 05:06 PM   #20 
   Welcome to DU, and read this forum for awhile  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:42 PM   #35 
   Please see post #88 above.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:17 PM   #92 
   What?  trotsky   Mar-24-06 05:17 PM   #24 
   With all due respect  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:21 PM   #25 
      Sure.  trotsky   Mar-24-06 05:36 PM   #31 
         I am not using one definition of "faith" or "belief" at all,  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:50 PM   #38 
            You're making demands?  trotsky   Mar-24-06 05:56 PM   #43 
               Why am I required to use only one of six definitions?  kwassa   Mar-24-06 05:59 PM   #45 
                  No one's asking you to "eliminate" any definitions.  trotsky   Mar-24-06 06:02 PM   #49 
                     These false race-based analogies are really obnoxious  kwassa   Mar-24-06 06:30 PM   #58 
                        Ignorant and bigoted.  beam me up scottie   Mar-24-06 07:22 PM   #62 
                        Do you have an argument? Please pose it!  kwassa   Mar-24-06 07:35 PM   #63 
                           How can one refute ignorance and intolerance?  beam me up scottie   Mar-24-06 07:47 PM   #67 
                              I see. I guess you have no argument.  kwassa   Mar-27-06 09:10 PM   #125 
                                 See me when you're cured.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 09:15 PM   #126 
                        Obnoxious? More like eerily accurate.  trotsky   Mar-25-06 08:19 AM   #76 
   I prefer the term "non-rational"....  sutz12   Mar-24-06 05:30 PM   #28 
   No one, atheist or theist, is wholly rational or irrational  BurtWorm   Mar-24-06 05:51 PM   #39 
   Although this thread is against the rules...  Zhade   Mar-24-06 05:55 PM   #42 
   I didn't know this was an old  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-24-06 06:02 PM   #50 
   Just because it is, doesn't mean your contribution isn't meaningful.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 06:48 PM   #84 
   I think there is a misunderstanding  kwassa   Mar-24-06 06:16 PM   #55 
   You're wrong. You've been told you're wrong.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 06:52 PM   #85 
   Good argument!  ladjf   Mar-24-06 06:31 PM   #59 
   Truest thing all day:  WritingIsMyReligion   Mar-25-06 03:52 PM   #82 
   I have no belief in any deity.  mariema   Mar-24-06 06:47 PM   #60 
   You have no interest in discussion with atheists.  beam me up scottie   Mar-24-06 07:20 PM   #61 
   I kinda got the feeling..  varkam   Mar-24-06 07:35 PM   #64 
   Yeah, but he can't seem to get enough of us.  beam me up scottie   Mar-24-06 07:46 PM   #66 
   Can you respond to the OP?  kwassa   Mar-24-06 07:36 PM   #65 
   I just did.  beam me up scottie   Mar-24-06 07:48 PM   #68 
      Indeed!  arwalden   Mar-25-06 04:14 PM   #83 
   I think the difference is in the 'liberal' part.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 06:53 PM   #86 
   Well, there are two major types of atheists. The weak atheists,  Strong Atheist   Mar-24-06 09:03 PM   #69 
   About what you just posted....  Desertrose   Mar-25-06 02:09 AM   #70 
      Sure, atheism is a belief system...  varkam   Mar-25-06 03:00 AM   #71 
      Thank you.....  Desertrose   Mar-25-06 03:47 AM   #73 
      You don't read very well, do you?  Strong Atheist   Mar-25-06 06:54 AM   #74 
      Excuse me.....  Desertrose   Mar-25-06 11:48 AM   #77 
         Ok. I saw your post differently. BTW, the weak atheists are  Strong Atheist   Mar-25-06 12:10 PM   #78 
      Why concede a false premise?  Zhade   Mar-25-06 07:27 PM   #96 
         Howdy! nt.  Strong Atheist   Mar-27-06 07:34 AM   #110 
         Excuse me  manic expression   Mar-27-06 08:54 PM   #121 
            False. I said there is no objective evidence for gods.  Zhade   Mar-29-06 12:27 AM   #155 
               Not quite, IMO  manic expression   Mar-29-06 08:13 PM   #162 
                  That there is no objective evidence is not a belief, it is a fact.  Zhade   Mar-30-06 03:30 PM   #196 
                     I think  manic expression   Mar-30-06 04:01 PM   #202 
                        We believe the evidence  treegiver   Mar-30-06 06:32 PM   #210 
                        ?  manic expression   Mar-30-06 06:36 PM   #211 
                           "Belief" with a capital "B"  treegiver   Mar-30-06 07:35 PM   #212 
                           belief or Belief  manic expression   Mar-30-06 08:15 PM   #215 
                           It doesn't offend me, but it's wrong.  Zhade   Mar-30-06 10:02 PM   #219 
                              OK  manic expression   Mar-30-06 10:15 PM   #220 
                                 "what conclusion do you have on the subject of divinity?"  Zhade   Mar-31-06 03:58 PM   #226 
                                    It's a concept  manic expression   Mar-31-06 09:38 PM   #236 
                        It's not an opinion, though it is a fact-based belief.  Zhade   Mar-30-06 10:00 PM   #218 
                           Sure it is  manic expression   Mar-30-06 10:22 PM   #221 
                              As long as you're honest in calling that your opinion, and not fact...  Zhade   Mar-31-06 04:00 PM   #227 
                                 Of course  manic expression   Mar-31-06 09:26 PM   #235 
   Why do you believe?  FM Arouet666   Mar-25-06 03:25 AM   #72 
   I believe because  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-25-06 08:28 PM   #101 
      I am curious, what supernatural experience did you have?  FM Arouet666   Mar-26-06 01:55 AM   #105 
         I won't get into too much detail  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-26-06 09:25 AM   #107 
            Thanks for the reply  FM Arouet666   Mar-27-06 01:48 AM   #108 
   Ooph!  arwalden   Mar-25-06 12:27 PM   #79 
   I'm with you  Goblinmonger   Mar-27-06 03:50 PM   #114 
   I think I've figured it out....  sutz12   Mar-25-06 02:49 PM   #80 
   You may be onto something.  Zhade   Mar-25-06 06:56 PM   #87 
   Ain't no rigged game  kwassa   Mar-27-06 08:40 PM   #119 
   you're assuming theists wish to attack.  Lerkfish   Mar-25-06 07:42 PM   #98 
   You assume theists  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-25-06 08:09 PM   #100 
   Have you really seen evidence that any theists here at DU  JerseygirlCT   Mar-25-06 08:54 PM   #104 
   My bad, 'hate' is the wrong term....  sutz12   Mar-27-06 02:38 PM   #111 
      Some interesting thoughts there!  JerseygirlCT   Mar-27-06 03:10 PM   #112 
      OK  manic expression   Mar-27-06 09:16 PM   #127 
   A few things  manic expression   Mar-27-06 08:59 PM   #123 
      Some responses....  sutz12   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #133 
         Some more  manic expression   Mar-28-06 12:00 AM   #134 
            Therein lies the difficulty....and I don't think you see it.  sutz12   Mar-28-06 12:11 AM   #135 
               It's a difficulty  manic expression   Mar-28-06 12:39 AM   #136 
   I think that's all very well put. nt  JerseygirlCT   Mar-25-06 08:43 PM   #102 
   The disconnect is a myth.  greyl   Mar-27-06 02:31 AM   #109 
   Can you define those terms for me?  JerseygirlCT   Mar-27-06 03:27 PM   #113 
   ok  greyl   Apr-05-06 01:46 PM   #259 
   What makes you think that theism is static?  kwassa   Mar-27-06 08:56 PM   #122 
      Not really  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Mar-28-06 03:31 AM   #138 
   Can you clarify your clarification for me?  0rganism   Mar-27-06 05:21 PM   #116 
   That god really exists  Goblinmonger   Mar-27-06 06:04 PM   #117 
   The OP's assertion doesn't really address the generality of the belief  0rganism   Mar-27-06 07:26 PM   #118 
   To me, God is not an entity or a being  kwassa   Mar-27-06 09:06 PM   #124 
      How sad.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 09:43 PM   #128 
      How about rebutting my behavioral argument?  kwassa   Mar-27-06 10:26 PM   #129 
      Gee, kwassa wonders, why won't the atheists talk to me?  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:28 PM   #130 
         Some very interesting ones have.  kwassa   Mar-27-06 10:40 PM   #131 
            A snit is not an argument.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:42 PM   #132 
      Just hold on, I want to be sure I understand what OP's getting at  0rganism   Mar-28-06 07:27 AM   #139 
         Look again  beam me up scottie   Mar-28-06 09:37 PM   #143 
            Excellent archaelogy, BMUS!  BurtWorm   Mar-28-06 09:42 PM   #144 
            !!  WritingIsMyReligion   Mar-28-06 10:23 PM   #146 
            Game. Set. Match.  trotsky   Mar-28-06 11:16 PM   #147 
            Oh, Snap!...  SidDithers   Mar-28-06 11:32 PM   #148 
            The perfect way to end a bad day.  varkam   Mar-28-06 11:39 PM   #149 
            Bra-VO!  arwalden   Mar-28-06 11:43 PM   #151 
            Now what would the Christians be doing in this situation.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Mar-28-06 11:59 PM   #152 
            Saved, and available upon request.  Zhade   Mar-29-06 12:24 AM   #154 
            Add another backup copy to the repository -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-30-06 08:43 AM   #170 
            Tsk Tsk Kwassa  FM Arouet666   Mar-29-06 01:08 AM   #156 
            Interesting, thanks  0rganism   Mar-29-06 03:14 AM   #159 
            No, we deserve the medal.  beam me up scottie   Mar-29-06 10:48 PM   #167 
            Two thing  Goblinmonger   Mar-29-06 10:57 PM   #168 
            I love it when people try to define me according to THEIR definitions.  BiggJawn   Mar-29-06 07:58 AM   #161 
            Copied, pasted, & saved in .doc format  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-30-06 08:40 AM   #169 
            Thank for the archeology, BMUS  kwassa   Mar-30-06 08:57 AM   #174 
               You're Smarter Than You Pretend To Be. The Homer-Act Fools Nobody.  arwalden   Mar-30-06 09:12 AM   #175 
               In response  kwassa   Mar-30-06 11:26 AM   #180 
                  Well... That Didn't Last Too Long. (Pity.)  arwalden   Mar-30-06 12:17 PM   #184 
               Pathetic.  trotsky   Mar-30-06 09:33 AM   #176 
               When is an answer correct?  kwassa   Mar-30-06 11:33 AM   #181 
                  Not even close.  trotsky   Mar-30-06 11:44 AM   #182 
                     my reply  kwassa   Mar-30-06 12:02 PM   #183 
                        Ad homs indeed.  trotsky   Mar-30-06 12:24 PM   #185 
                        I force nothing on you, and never have.  kwassa   Mar-30-06 01:13 PM   #189 
                           "There are none so blind as those who will not see."  trotsky   Mar-30-06 02:40 PM   #193 
                              That's fine with me.  kwassa   Mar-30-06 03:26 PM   #195 
                                 Oh but kwassa, since that's just a difference of opinion,  trotsky   Mar-30-06 03:48 PM   #198 
                                    Because it does  kwassa   Mar-30-06 04:05 PM   #203 
                                       Well cool.  trotsky   Mar-30-06 04:26 PM   #205 
                        Here, Kwassa... Have Some MORE Rope. Take All You Want.  arwalden   Mar-30-06 12:43 PM   #187 
                           Your use of this "translation" technique ..  kwassa   Mar-30-06 01:09 PM   #188 
                              Awwww... Isn't That Cute? You Think I'm "Debating" You.  arwalden   Mar-30-06 01:39 PM   #191 
                                 No, I don't think you are debating me.  kwassa   Mar-30-06 03:32 PM   #197 
                                    Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-06 03:58 PM   #200 
               Wow, with the whole tag team out en force....  Desertrose   Mar-30-06 01:28 PM   #190 
               So You Fan The Flames And Then Complain The Fire Is Too Hot?  arwalden   Mar-30-06 01:44 PM   #192 
               Neither of you have had  Goblinmonger   Mar-30-06 03:59 PM   #201 
               Trying to reason with christians like you makes me wish I was stillborn  beam me up scottie   Apr-01-06 10:31 PM   #240 
      I mean entity in the sense of having any identifiable distinct presence...  0rganism   Mar-28-06 03:01 AM   #137 
         Sorry for the delayed reply  kwassa   Mar-28-06 07:46 PM   #141 
            Oh, quite alright, my DU tracking is spotty anyway  0rganism   Mar-29-06 02:11 AM   #157 
               I identify myself by a lack.  beam me up scottie   Mar-29-06 02:27 AM   #158 
                  That's a good example of what I was getting at, too  0rganism   Mar-29-06 03:27 AM   #160 
   I haven't been following  bloom   Mar-28-06 04:29 PM   #140 
   And there are some atheists  Goblinmonger   Mar-28-06 08:54 PM   #142 
   You haven't been paying attention but you tell us what we should do anyway  beam me up scottie   Mar-28-06 09:45 PM   #145 
   This, like the post in the other thread,  Goblinmonger   Mar-29-06 09:22 PM   #163 
   Six words:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-30-06 08:45 AM   #171 
      ROFLMAO!  Strong Atheist   Mar-30-06 08:51 AM   #172 
      Sounds a lot like a 5-word version  Goblinmonger   Mar-30-06 10:05 AM   #177 
         ...  Strong Atheist   Mar-30-06 10:50 AM   #179 
   Philosopy section  treegiver   Mar-29-06 10:29 PM   #165 
      It's a DU Group, which means you can only post there if you are a donor  GreenJ   Mar-29-06 10:46 PM   #166 
         Thanks, I was afraid that was it. /nt  treegiver   Mar-30-06 02:41 PM   #194 
   Look dude, it's real simple  salvorhardin   Mar-28-06 11:41 PM   #150 
   Nicely put  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Mar-29-06 12:14 AM   #153 
   Most excellent response.  trotsky   Mar-29-06 09:31 PM   #164 
   You'd Think Not... But...  arwalden   Mar-30-06 08:55 AM   #173 
   kwassa is conspicuously absent  Goblinmonger   Mar-30-06 10:29 AM   #178 
   Yep. One wonders those things. n/t  salvorhardin   Mar-30-06 12:26 PM   #186 
   That's exactly it, salvorhardin.  WritingIsMyReligion   Apr-02-06 01:03 PM   #245 
   I have a suggestion. After reading much of kwassa's tortured  Strong Atheist   Mar-30-06 04:23 PM   #204 
   No, there is a difference  kwassa   Mar-30-06 04:47 PM   #206 
   Your double standard is showing  Strong Atheist   Mar-30-06 04:48 PM   #207 
   No double standard at all  kwassa   Mar-30-06 07:35 PM   #213 
      So You're Calling Atheists Liars.  arwalden   Mar-30-06 11:03 PM   #222 
      Nope.  kwassa   Mar-31-06 04:27 PM   #228 
         People Who Think They Can Read My Mind Are Only Fooling Themselves.  arwalden   Mar-31-06 05:08 PM   #230 
            I share your frustration on the issue of lying.  Fridays Child   Mar-31-06 08:22 PM   #234 
            Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-06 03:12 PM   #237 
               Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-06 11:08 PM   #242 
               Well you just don't know your own mind, Allen.  beam me up scottie   Apr-01-06 11:37 PM   #243 
               You're Not Fooling Me...  arwalden   Apr-02-06 04:56 PM   #247 
      Well okie dokie. In that case:  Strong Atheist   Mar-31-06 07:10 AM   #223 
   How Can You Be So Certain That One "Simply Doesn't Care"?  arwalden   Mar-30-06 05:06 PM   #209 
      reply  kwassa   Mar-30-06 07:51 PM   #214 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-06 09:01 PM   #216 
         Bollocks!  salvorhardin   Mar-31-06 06:50 PM   #231 
         Here's where I see you getting off track.  Goblinmonger   Mar-30-06 09:28 PM   #217 
            Couldn't have said it better.  trotsky   Mar-31-06 08:05 AM   #225 
            No, I never said that you shouldn't talk about anything related to god  kwassa   Mar-31-06 04:33 PM   #229 
            I hate to sound like you  Goblinmonger   Mar-31-06 07:02 PM   #233 
               No.  kwassa   Apr-01-06 03:19 PM   #238 
                  I don't know how many times  Goblinmonger   Apr-01-06 09:40 PM   #239 
                     BINGO-"We are fighting for our right to have a lack of a belief."  Desertrose   Apr-02-06 12:34 PM   #244 
                     I agree with everything you say you are fighting for, including  kwassa   Apr-02-06 03:52 PM   #246 
                        Some People Need To Get Out More... Read A Newspaper...  arwalden   Apr-02-06 05:02 PM   #248 
                           Washington Post, WSJ, New York Times, PBS Newshour ....  kwassa   Apr-02-06 05:28 PM   #249 
                           That's A Dubious Response.  arwalden   Apr-02-06 05:34 PM   #250 
                              Who is the "we"?  kwassa   Apr-02-06 05:47 PM   #251 
                                 Interesting That You Choose To Respond By Splitting Hairs And...  arwalden   Apr-02-06 06:13 PM   #252 
                                    What do you mean by "spitting hairs" ?  beam me up scottie   Apr-02-06 06:17 PM   #253 
                                       LOL! (Good One!) --- Well... What I Mean Is This...  arwalden   Apr-02-06 06:51 PM   #254 
                                          It is amazing, isn't it?  beam me up scottie   Apr-02-06 07:02 PM   #255 
                                             I Still Can't Get Over This Bit Of Nonsense...  arwalden   Apr-03-06 11:23 AM   #256 
                                             Yeah, I haven't been able to forget that.  beam me up scottie   Apr-04-06 08:56 PM   #257 
                           Hellooo? Kwassa? Are You There? << crickets chirping >>  arwalden   Apr-05-06 08:37 AM   #258 
                              ~  arwalden   Apr-21-06 07:41 PM   #260 
                              :popcorn:  arwalden   Apr-24-06 04:54 PM   #261 
            Excellent reply!  salvorhardin   Mar-31-06 06:51 PM   #232 
   You could actually make a very convoluted case based on post #124 here  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-30-06 04:53 PM   #208 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-31-06 07:17 AM   #224 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-01-06 10:46 PM   #241 
 

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