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152. But if you AREN'T HOSTILE then you aren't the object of that sentence.
Disagreeing with religion and spirituality, having your own opinion about it without making personal attacks on others who do believe ISN'T the problem. From everything you have said, you don't attack others or make fun of their faith.

Lot's of posts here even on this thread talk about this tolerance going both ways. I know - I made them.

Atheists are just people like the rest of us. A call for tolerance has been made and "Yes" it does need to go both ways and many of us who do believe in God also believe in your right NOT to share that belief. You are your own person. You are fully welcome here.

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  -The prejudice of many people on the Left... ClassWarrior  Feb-23-06 09:15 PM   #0 
  - I couldn't agree more.  merh   Feb-23-06 09:18 PM   #1 
  - Who in your opinion are the leftists?  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:23 PM   #7 
     - I didn't post the article or even suggest democrats  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:31 PM   #17 
     - Anyone  merh   Feb-23-06 09:53 PM   #38 
     - Me?  JanMichael   Feb-23-06 10:13 PM   #47 
  - King and Gandhi  muntrv   Feb-23-06 09:19 PM   #2 
  - And that makes all the difference, really.  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-23-06 09:23 PM   #8 
  - We're not talking about winning the hearts and minds of their  teriyaki jones   Feb-23-06 09:26 PM   #14 
  - I live in Wheaton, IL, bible capital of the world  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 09:41 PM   #32 
  - Maybe I don't deal with many real fundies anymore.  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 10:42 PM   #61 
     - The OP talks about the prejudice of the left  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 11:08 PM   #73 
        - I think on this issue the Left has BOTH extremes present...  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 11:26 PM   #83 
           - Uhm, why the capital letters? And are you assuming I do this shit?  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 11:39 PM   #87 
              - No, subj line wasn't directed at you, more at the discussion.  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 01:09 AM   #109 
  - Ironically, people who have a true faith only need to be convinced...  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 10:23 PM   #51 
  - Exactly  FreedomAngel82   Feb-23-06 10:10 PM   #45 
  - Good point by a relative newbie. Welcome to DU on your 90th post.  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 10:13 PM   #49 
  - Just as I don't have to become gay to respect those who are,  Virginian   Feb-23-06 10:48 PM   #64 
  - If you wish this to happen successfully  ruggerson   Feb-23-06 09:21 PM   #3 
  - Right  FreedomAngel82   Feb-23-06 10:12 PM   #46 
  - Religion is a structure around faith.  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 11:58 PM   #96 
  - word  RPM   Feb-23-06 10:26 PM   #54 
  - I'm with you on that - and let's also ask that the Holy See change too  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-23-06 11:07 PM   #71 
  - People who spew hatred are making that choice, so hold them accountable.  Tigress DEM   Feb-23-06 11:09 PM   #75 
  - I believe Christ was a democrat. He shares our ideals. n/t  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:21 PM   #4 
  - I didn't know the Democratic Party was that old  Texacrat   Feb-23-06 10:52 PM   #66 
  - painting the whole left is absurd  bpilgrim   Feb-23-06 09:21 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 09:24 PM   #9 
  - i am good at it  bpilgrim   Feb-23-06 09:26 PM   #12 
  - Who's the leftists? n/t  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:26 PM   #13 
     - It's an excerpt from an article. The idea is to...  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:34 PM   #23 
        - So, who are the leftists?  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:37 PM   #27 
  - How about painting the Left -- Whole?  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 12:38 AM   #149 
  - All it takes is not being a hypocrite  omega minimo   Feb-23-06 09:22 PM   #6 
  - Walking the walk are ya' now?  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 12:16 AM   #146 
  - I don't think that the left has hostility toward religion or  zalinda   Feb-23-06 09:25 PM   #10 
  - Fundies don't meet most people's meaning of Christian  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:30 PM   #15 
  - Amen. ex: Prince of Peace - not the war-mongering type. n/t  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 01:38 AM   #112 
  - Agree somewhat.  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 01:33 AM   #111 
  - Huh?  Warren Stupidity   Feb-23-06 09:26 PM   #11 
  - Then we're all on the same page. Read the article.  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:50 PM   #37 
  - I read the article.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-23-06 10:07 PM   #43 
  - Really, weren't the witch hunts political?  Blue in Portland   Mar-01-06 03:45 PM   #177 
  - Hot air. Much like this author you linked to.  Touchdown   Feb-23-06 11:14 PM   #77 
  - And yet...  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 01:59 AM   #113 
  - If the left hate religion, why do most Democrats attend church?  theoldman   Feb-23-06 09:31 PM   #16 
  - and why do so many of us worship the Prince of Peace  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:33 PM   #21 
  - Where in that article did it say anything about the left hating religion?  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:38 PM   #28 
  - By this, do you mean Dem politicians? I don't think most of anyone  Katherine Brengle   Feb-23-06 11:58 PM   #97 
  - I don't legislate against christians, but they legislate against me.  kgfnally   Feb-23-06 09:32 PM   #18 
  - Are Mormons Christians?  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-23-06 11:09 PM   #74 
     - Christians consider Mormons to be a cult.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 12:36 AM   #148 
  - I agree.  Pushed To The Left   Feb-23-06 09:32 PM   #19 
  - Great tolerance by the so-called Christians.  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 09:32 PM   #20 
  - The man whose words I quoted is a Jewish rabbi. Read the article.  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:47 PM   #35 
  - I HATE it when posters say this, like I would be stupid enough to post  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 10:44 PM   #62 
  - I think this article is too broad in it's assessment.  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 02:19 AM   #114 
  - There is a need to be civil and pragmatic but the line below is  Burried News   Feb-23-06 09:33 PM   #22 
  - Oh CW, please.  sfexpat2000   Feb-23-06 09:34 PM   #24 
  - Look at how you're ready to ridicule me without even taking...  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:36 PM   #26 
  - What's your opinion CW?  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:38 PM   #29 
  - Ridicule just isn't one of my speeds. I'll look again.  sfexpat2000   Feb-23-06 09:49 PM   #36 
  - "laugh at or ridicule"  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 02:33 AM   #115 
  - look how many deaths have been done in the name of religion  still_one   Feb-23-06 09:36 PM   #25 
  - Correct. Read the article.  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 09:46 PM   #34 
     - i did  still_one   Feb-23-06 09:57 PM   #40 
  - Absolutely!  Southpawkicker   Feb-23-06 09:40 PM   #30 
  - First reasonable thing I've read on this thread.  discerning christian   Feb-23-06 11:57 PM   #95 
  - Do I get a big "Amen" too?!  riderinthestorm   Feb-24-06 12:11 AM   #101 
     - Yes you do, my fellow Democrat!!  discerning christian   Feb-24-06 12:17 AM   #102 
     - Thank you.  ClassWarrior   Feb-24-06 12:19 AM   #103 
     - Then you need to tell the Rabbi Lerner needs to STFU  riderinthestorm   Feb-24-06 12:31 AM   #105 
        - Who The Hell Is "the Rabbi Lerner"?  Southpawkicker   Feb-24-06 04:22 PM   #142 
     - AMEN.  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 12:08 PM   #135 
     - Yes You Get A Big Amen!  Southpawkicker   Feb-24-06 04:17 PM   #141 
  - Can you please provide a link  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 12:13 PM   #136 
     - Treads that got nuts like that here usually get locked up.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:09 AM   #150 
  - While I am secular and mostly an atheist,  hyphenate   Feb-23-06 09:40 PM   #31 
  - There are many of us who believe in Christ's message  Erika   Feb-23-06 09:45 PM   #33 
  - It might be worth noting  H2O Man   Feb-23-06 09:57 PM   #39 
  - Okay, Class Warrior, here's an example  riderinthestorm   Feb-23-06 10:49 PM   #65 
  - And yet atheists have the power to drive huge numbers of voters...  Zenlitened   Feb-24-06 10:45 AM   #131 
  - Let me clarify something...  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:32 AM   #153 
     - So you're saying the the "Democrats are hostile to religion" meme...  Zenlitened   Mar-02-06 01:23 PM   #179 
  - But if you AREN'T HOSTILE then you aren't the object of that sentence.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:22 AM   #152 
  - And on DU that number might be even smaller because...  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:14 AM   #151 
  - pissants just don't get it...  ananda   Feb-23-06 10:04 PM   #41 
  - Tough day?  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:38 AM   #154 
  - The sad thing  Mythsaje   Feb-23-06 10:07 PM   #42 
  - If you read the article, you'll see this is one of the points Rabbi...  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 10:08 PM   #44 
  - The left isn't hostile towards religion - we are hostile to  Lindacooks   Feb-23-06 10:13 PM   #48 
  - Im neutral on religion  Ksec   Feb-23-06 10:17 PM   #50 
  - Oh, really...  autorank   Feb-23-06 10:23 PM   #52 
  - I think this is the difference between big religion and small religion  EstimatedProphet   Feb-23-06 10:29 PM   #57 
  - That's why I used the term "religion". It's difficult to imagine  autorank   Feb-23-06 10:41 PM   #60 
     - Quite true  EstimatedProphet   Feb-23-06 11:08 PM   #72 
  - The problem is transitory, btw...  autorank   Feb-23-06 10:40 PM   #59 
  - Auto! Howya? Long time no see!  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 12:28 AM   #147 
  - When religion is less hostile to me, i will be less hostile to it.  RPM   Feb-23-06 10:25 PM   #53 
  - Did you read the article?  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 10:29 PM   #56 
  - You can have and discuss problems with religion here...  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 01:47 AM   #155 
  - I absolutely reject the premise that King and Gandhi did good things...  Zhade   Feb-23-06 10:28 PM   #55 
  - Where did the Rabbi contend THAT?  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 10:32 PM   #58 
  - Religious extremism exists in all monotheistic religions  Timbuk3   Feb-23-06 10:47 PM   #63 
  - This is true  bonito   Feb-23-06 11:00 PM   #67 
  - For a spiritual progressive  jbnow   Feb-23-06 11:01 PM   #68 
  - This part of the article  Ksec   Feb-23-06 11:04 PM   #69 
  - It's rather typical of spiritual "thought," in my experience.  BurtWorm   Feb-23-06 11:19 PM   #80 
  - So we should kiss christo-ass?  Touchdown   Feb-23-06 11:05 PM   #70 
  - Exactly: Remove the log in thine own eye  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-23-06 11:11 PM   #76 
  - This author is a Jewish Rabbi. Read the article before you judge.  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 11:17 PM   #79 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 11:30 PM   #84 
  - "A percieved hostility to religious faith with (sic) doesn't exist?"  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 11:36 PM   #86 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 11:43 PM   #88 
     - Touchdown!  impeachdubya   Feb-23-06 11:59 PM   #98 
     - Nope! I'm not kidding. There is no hostility.  Touchdown   Feb-24-06 09:22 AM   #121 
  - I did read it. The rabbi is full of it.  Touchdown   Feb-24-06 09:31 AM   #123 
  - thank you for your calm in being able to express that, Touchdown. i was  nofurylike   Feb-23-06 11:56 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 11:17 PM   #78 
  - considering there is over 80% of this nation that are christian  seabeyond   Feb-23-06 11:20 PM   #81 
  - You didn't read the article, did you?  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 11:21 PM   #82 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 11:32 PM   #85 
     - Ah, you answer no questions n/t  Erika   Feb-23-06 11:45 PM   #89 
     - i read what you gave me  seabeyond   Feb-23-06 11:52 PM   #91 
        - All correct. And all supported by the article. I was hoping to prompt...  ClassWarrior   Feb-23-06 11:55 PM   #93 
  - witness the persecution of many people on the left. eom  nofurylike   Feb-23-06 11:48 PM   #90 
  - No, we're hostile to the fucking THEOCRACY that is being forced on us.  impeachdubya   Feb-23-06 11:53 PM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-06 12:04 AM   #100 
  - Well said. n/t  trotsky   Feb-24-06 08:32 AM   #119 
  - lol  iamthebandfanman   Feb-24-06 12:03 AM   #99 
  - Horseshit.  porphyrian   Feb-24-06 12:19 AM   #104 
  - Interesting website from the article  Pushed To The Left   Feb-24-06 12:42 AM   #106 
  - So, what constitutes this 'elitism'? What constitutes this "view that they  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 12:46 AM   #107 
  - Think its hard winning now??  InaneAnanity   Feb-24-06 01:03 AM   #108 
  - If a plea for tolerance is going to drive you away...  ClassWarrior   Feb-24-06 01:11 AM   #110 
     - I think you have a solid idea here, but tolerance needs to go both ways.  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 02:51 AM   #116 
        - Agreed. Thank you for this.  ClassWarrior   Feb-24-06 07:44 AM   #117 
           - And let me guess...  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 11:47 AM   #134 
           - Forget it. You'll never get an answer.  Touchdown   Feb-24-06 01:28 PM   #137 
           - Aw, come on. I've been dissenting up and down the thread....  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 02:22 AM   #158 
           - Speak up, be seen, be accepted for who you are. Really.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 12:13 AM   #145 
              - What do you think I'm doing?  impeachdubya   Feb-25-06 04:55 PM   #165 
                 - I hear you. Good points.  Tigress DEM   Feb-26-06 02:31 AM   #168 
           - Yeah, that is the way a person behaves if they really....  Tigress DEM   Feb-24-06 11:25 PM   #143 
              - As well intentioned as those people may THINK they are...  impeachdubya   Feb-25-06 08:43 PM   #167 
                 - I just said that it is my belief they are "well intentioned."  Tigress DEM   Feb-26-06 02:43 AM   #169 
  - Just another example of the left blaming itself.  trotsky   Feb-24-06 08:26 AM   #118 
  - Self examination isn't blaming ourselves... but you are correct in a way.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 02:36 AM   #159 
  - When I post here on DU...  Kerry4Kerry   Feb-24-06 09:17 AM   #120 
  - that's a tautology.  Inland   Feb-24-06 09:58 AM   #124 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-06 10:10 AM   #126 
     - Oh Brother!  arwalden   Feb-24-06 10:13 AM   #127 
     - No "trick" meaning intended...  Kerry4Kerry   Feb-24-06 10:20 AM   #128 
        - It's not normal rough and tumble. In fact, it's not discourse.  Inland   Feb-24-06 10:37 AM   #129 
           - Hey, Inland!  trotsky   Feb-24-06 10:40 AM   #130 
           - How prejudiced of you  InaneAnanity   Feb-24-06 11:32 AM   #133 
           - You got any links to back that up?  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 04:07 PM   #140 
           - It's more of the common knowledge like  Inland   Feb-25-06 09:00 AM   #162 
              - Mmmm Hmmmm.  impeachdubya   Feb-25-06 04:27 PM   #164 
                 - Hmmm, hmmm.  Inland   Feb-26-06 10:01 AM   #171 
           - So let me get this straight  Evoman   Feb-25-06 02:00 AM   #156 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-06 08:57 AM   #161 
           - You have got to be shitting me  Evoman   Feb-25-06 08:22 PM   #166 
              - More careful than you. That's not saying much, but it's true.  Inland   Feb-26-06 09:59 AM   #170 
           - Welcome to D.U., Evoman!  Strong Atheist   Mar-01-06 11:04 AM   #173 
           - Partially agree.  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 02:10 AM   #157 
  - This smacks of defeatism  YankeyMCC   Feb-24-06 09:26 AM   #122 
  - ClassWarrior, you really need to define who you mean by "The Left"  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-24-06 09:58 AM   #125 
  - So which is it? Is it "A belief in God" that the author wants us all...  Zenlitened   Feb-24-06 11:02 AM   #132 
  - Why he gets bogged down in the "atheists are driving voters away" fallacy  trotsky   Feb-24-06 01:36 PM   #138 
  - Well, it's either the atheists  impeachdubya   Feb-24-06 04:02 PM   #139 
  - Talking about DEMS is like herding cats..  Tigress DEM   Feb-25-06 02:56 AM   #160 
     - So where and when is it permissable to state one's views critical...  Zenlitened   Mar-02-06 01:22 PM   #178 
  - "Religious Left" describes my family perfectly.  Odin2005   Feb-25-06 12:05 AM   #144 
  - If you look at the Unitarian Universalist Community  Coastie for Truth   Feb-25-06 12:46 PM   #163 
  - Hope you aren't including UU  Goblinmonger   Feb-26-06 10:11 AM   #172 
  - As if  father_of_hope   Mar-01-06 11:21 AM   #174 
  - Welcome to D.U.! nt.  Strong Atheist   Mar-01-06 12:09 PM   #175 
  - IMO for every Atheist who is down on religion there are 7 the other way.  heidler1   Mar-01-06 03:15 PM   #176 
 

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