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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:34 PM
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39. What amazes me is not that people continue to be religious...
...in an age of science. What amazes me is that all people of all religions don't just go ahead and merge all the religions together into one, since they all have so many similar tenets and miracle stories - or at least they could worship under the umbrella of Unitarian Universalism.

And yet people continue to cling to the orthodoxies and dogmas of their own particular sects, more as a way of clinging to tribal identity than as an expression of true spiritual belief. At least that's how I see it.
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  -An Atheist Manifesto Yollam  Feb-20-06 11:56 AM   #0 
  - Ah--freaking--Men  Vexatious Ape   Feb-20-06 12:05 PM   #1 
  - It's a great piece.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 12:24 PM   #3 
     - In the "good book" --Sam's book  Vexatious Ape   Feb-20-06 12:32 PM   #4 
     - I don't think the person you  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:24 PM   #32 
     - Could you explain  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 12:34 PM   #5 
     - If you haven't knocked at my door soliciting the Watchtower...  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:13 PM   #26 
        - Okay  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:21 PM   # 
           - I don't pay "god bless you" any mind...  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:23 PM   #31 
     - Hmmm...just read this a bit closer  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:33 PM   #38 
        - Well, that's why I used the word "most" rather than all.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:36 PM   #41 
           - Yeah, I really don't understand  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:50 PM   #47 
              - One thing I've noticed about the mega churches...  Lars39   Feb-20-06 02:24 PM   #64 
  - Kicked and recommended.  smirkymonkey   Feb-20-06 12:17 PM   #2 
  - the opiate of misery  corkhead   Feb-20-06 12:34 PM   #6 
  - I attend church  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:23 PM   #30 
  - Raise my consciousness on this issue  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 12:36 PM   #7 
  - A suggestion  YankeyMCC   Feb-20-06 12:42 PM   #9 
  - try explaining Buddhism  kineneb   Feb-20-06 01:07 PM   #22 
  - I think that is a great suggestion  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:18 PM   #28 
  - BTW  YankeyMCC   Feb-20-06 01:35 PM   #40 
  - I understand  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:42 PM   #45 
  - I agree, though it can be uncomfortable  Orrex   Apr-27-06 10:33 AM   #97 
  - But your hypothetical conversation doesn't get to end there.  trotsky   Feb-21-06 10:20 AM   #95 
  - Great Point (nt)  stepnw1f   Feb-20-06 02:11 PM   #52 
  - My teenage daughter had recently decided that she is an atheist  FLDem5   Feb-20-06 02:49 PM   #69 
     - I hope she can find someone at school to talk to  Goblinmonger   Feb-20-06 11:08 PM   #92 
  - Unlike religious folks, they actually seldom do.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 12:46 PM   #11 
  - I agree  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:37 PM   #42 
  - I am a proud atheist and will discuss it with whomever, wherever if  malachibk   Feb-20-06 05:47 PM   #82 
     - Your side note  GinaMaria   Feb-20-06 05:53 PM   #83 
     - I'm not saying that you're not entitled to...  Yollam   Feb-20-06 06:05 PM   #84 
        - I hear what you're saying and agree, up to a point  malachibk   Feb-20-06 06:26 PM   #85 
  - I don't feel the need in the least to share my atheist beliefs  mainer   Feb-20-06 12:49 PM   #13 
  - "Bill Gets Hep To God!"  klook   Feb-20-06 01:41 PM   #44 
  - One of my best friends is Catholic, I am agnostic/atheist...  SmokingJacket   Feb-20-06 12:53 PM   #15 
  - Or try this  lwfern   Feb-20-06 02:44 PM   #68 
  - I'll take a crack at that one  FatDave   Feb-20-06 03:14 PM   #70 
  - Very nice - thanks for sharing  sybylla   Feb-20-06 12:40 PM   #8 
  - This will never work  genie_weenie   Feb-20-06 12:46 PM   #10 
  - Yeah, that's the one place where he lost me.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 12:58 PM   #18 
  - The God you describe  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:54 PM   #48 
     - You sound like a wise cookie, especially being in the deep south...  Yollam   Feb-20-06 02:15 PM   #54 
     - Well, that's the whole problem, Theology  genie_weenie   Feb-20-06 05:35 PM   #81 
  - Yes  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:26 PM   #33 
  - Atheism is a religion,  Beelzebud   Feb-20-06 12:47 PM   #12 
  - One of my hobbies lately is "not riding my bicycle"  htuttle   Feb-20-06 12:52 PM   #14 
  - Yes, that is why I spend so much time on my knees, not praying to my non-  antifaschits   Feb-20-06 01:05 PM   #21 
  - it's a religion?  stepnw1f   Feb-20-06 02:15 PM   #55 
     - Like not collecting stamps is a hobby.  Beelzebud   Feb-20-06 02:19 PM   #60 
        - I Read the Post  stepnw1f   Feb-20-06 02:22 PM   #61 
        - Baldness is a hair color  InsultComicDog   Feb-20-06 09:25 PM   #89 
  - It's as though the bible never was written.  Gregorian   Feb-20-06 12:54 PM   #16 
  - "Much of it is irrefutable" Such as?  Beelzebud   Feb-20-06 12:58 PM   #17 
  - People turning into salt? C'mon, what's not to believe?  Oregonian   Feb-20-06 01:29 PM   #35 
  - The Bible is a Fable, which many are brain washed into following.  sarcasmo   Feb-20-06 01:09 PM   #23 
  - The Christian/Jewish/Muslim bible is *NOT* a book of history  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:10 PM   #24 
  - Not a book of history,  megatherium   Feb-20-06 01:55 PM   #49 
     - Yes, that's a fair point.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 02:07 PM   #51 
        - I disagree  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:15 PM   #56 
  - "I guess the holocaust didn't happen either"  Warren Stupidity   Feb-20-06 01:32 PM   #36 
  - Not to mention that there are mountains of evidence...  FatDave   Feb-20-06 03:25 PM   #72 
     - Well I was giving the bible the benefit of technology available  Warren Stupidity   Feb-20-06 03:56 PM   #79 
  - which bible? Apparently, it makes a difference.  antifaschits   Feb-20-06 01:33 PM   #37 
  - It Only References History  stepnw1f   Feb-20-06 02:18 PM   #59 
  - There are really only two choices...  fiziwig   Feb-20-06 12:58 PM   #19 
  - actually Buddhism posits a third way  kineneb   Feb-20-06 01:16 PM   #27 
  - That seems like a very wise approach  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:11 PM   #53 
  - I'm an atheist. There is no "atheist" dogma.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:21 PM   #29 
  - I am an atheist...  rexcat   Feb-20-06 02:44 PM   #67 
  - "Both are based on blind faith"  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 01:59 PM   #50 
     - Actually, no  FatDave   Feb-20-06 03:38 PM   #75 
  - Sam Harris is going to destroy religion?  ulysses   Feb-20-06 01:00 PM   #20 
  - Next time somebody calls me a non-believe  info being   Feb-20-06 01:11 PM   #25 
  - I read his book - and am big fan of Sam Harris  zippy890   Feb-20-06 01:26 PM   #34 
  - I know this is OT  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:22 PM   #62 
     - it may be the only way we can save ourselves  zippy890   Feb-20-06 03:22 PM   #71 
        - I think maybe I'm too old to envision it  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 03:45 PM   #78 
  - What amazes me is not that people continue to be religious...  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:34 PM   #39 
  - That's Moon's goal.  Lars39   Feb-20-06 01:38 PM   #43 
     - Well, he is our savior, after all.  Yollam   Feb-20-06 01:47 PM   #46 
        - that is disgusting  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:16 PM   #57 
  - A Manifesto whose second sentence is  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-20-06 02:17 PM   #58 
  - Good point  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:24 PM   #63 
  - That paragraph merely stated that bad deeds are  Warren Stupidity   Feb-20-06 02:32 PM   #65 
     - Agreed that bad stuff happens  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-20-06 02:37 PM   #66 
     - "manifestly obvious that there is no such force" ??  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-20-06 08:43 PM   #86 
        - No I mentioned the Christmas Tsunami.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-20-06 10:04 PM   #91 
  - B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T!!!  Cats Against Frist   Feb-20-06 03:25 PM   #73 
  - K&R  happydreams   Feb-20-06 03:26 PM   #74 
  - Is that what he meant?  Yollam   Feb-20-06 03:43 PM   #76 
  - Great post. I think its about both. This was  happydreams   Feb-20-06 03:59 PM   #80 
  - As they say...  FatDave   Feb-20-06 03:44 PM   #77 
  - I first heard him speak a few weeks ago on C-Span..  radio4progressives   Feb-20-06 09:13 PM   #87 
  - so nice to see this topic posted here..  radio4progressives   Feb-20-06 09:15 PM   #88 
  - Wrong forum.  QC   Feb-20-06 09:31 PM   #90 
  - kick for the r/t crowd  sybylla   Feb-21-06 09:40 AM   #93 
  - Religions are all institutionalized insanity in my opinion.  oscarguy   Feb-21-06 10:01 AM   #94 
  - I find atheist prosylitizing  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 09:46 AM   #96 
  - I guess you missed his point.  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 04:24 PM   #98 
  - It's EXTREMELY irrational  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 06:13 PM   #99 
     - "I dont agree that people should have rational reasons for their beliefs..  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 07:53 PM   #100 
        - .  GreenJ   Apr-27-06 08:03 PM   #101 
        - Thanks for setting up a nice straw man to knock down.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 08:41 PM   #103 
           - You're still missing the point.  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 09:15 PM   #106 
              - I'm sorry, but if you're making yourself sick over what's going on  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 09:30 PM   #107 
              - They dont have to be rational. But they should be.  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 09:39 PM   #110 
                 - I'm pissed at people  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 09:58 PM   #111 
              - My goodness  TallahasseeGrannie   Apr-29-06 07:23 PM   #118 
  - How does one proselytize no beliefs?  beam me up scottie   Apr-27-06 08:30 PM   #102 
     - It appears to be what the article quoted in the OP is advocating.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 09:06 PM   #104 
        - I think you should consult a dictionary.  beam me up scottie   Apr-27-06 09:12 PM   #105 
           - OK, let me rephrase my original post.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 09:32 PM   #108 
              - I agree with you 100%  beam me up scottie   Apr-27-06 09:39 PM   #109 
                 - I believe in live and let live.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 10:07 PM   #112 
                    - I see it differently.  beam me up scottie   Apr-27-06 10:23 PM   #113 
                       - I don't think that I disagree with anything in that post. n/t  Crunchy Frog   Apr-27-06 10:43 PM   #114 
                       - Oh, good.  beam me up scottie   Apr-27-06 10:45 PM   #115 
                          - I hope you read me correctly.  Crunchy Frog   Apr-28-06 04:05 PM   #116 
                       - Scottie  TallahasseeGrannie   Apr-29-06 07:30 PM   #119 
  - "... Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make...  Zenlitened   Apr-28-06 04:13 PM   #117 
 

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