Reply #101: The singularity argument and the God one are essentially different.

[Darranar]

The God one is just a bad argument. Adding in the "God" element does not solve the problem, it just extends the causation to another point. The issue must still be resolved one way or another - either God came originated ex nihilo, or He (or at least His actions in our universe) is part of an infinite stream of causes and effects (which I will grant may simply be Him causing Himself to continue existing).

The singularity argument arises from a serious scientific perspective, one that can be easily adopted into philosophy.

Take the statement that "effects have causes." The only place for you to have confirmed and entrenched this theory is within the current post-singularity universe. The theory, like logic, like mathematics, like gravity, seems to hold universally within that post-singularity universe, but we have no means of knowing whether the rule originated with the Big Bang (or some other point of creation) or whether it has always been true. Since we have no idea whether or not the laws we think by have the slightest thing to do with pre-Big Bang phenomena, asking "what came before" is an exercise that goes nowhere. If the current "rules," among them the conservation of mass and energy and cause and effect, originated with the Big Bang, they are not applicable to what came before and not capable of analyzing possible answers.