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Atheist display: Skeleton Santa nailed to a cross
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The skeleton in a Santa suit didn't survive for long outside the Loudoun County courthouse lawn, but it generated plenty of controversy in Leesburg, Va.

The skeleton was nailed to a cross on Monday by a mother and son associated with an atheist group, one of the nine approved displays for the Christmas season. But the macabre Kris Kringle was not standing for long. Someone tore the skeleton down, sparking a debate about free speech.

It's not a new argument. In 2009, Christmas displays on the courthouse lawn were banned after the constitutionality of a Nativity scene was questioned. Last year that decision was overturned, and 10 displays were allowed on the lawn based on a first-come, first-served basis.

Leesburg council member Ken Reid spoke out strongly against the skeletal Christmas display. "I think that it's just extremely, extremely sad," he said, "that somebody in this county who would try to basically debase Christmas like this. This really crossed the line."

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  -Atheist display: Skeleton Santa nailed to a cross rug  Dec-06-11 11:04 AM   #0 
  - I don't think that was the way to win hearts and minds. However...  Ian David   Dec-06-11 11:07 AM   #1 
  - I just don't understand the need to do this...  hlthe2b   Dec-06-11 11:11 AM   #2 
  - I agree!  murray hill farm   Dec-06-11 11:15 AM   #4 
  - I have to agree. Traumatizing little kids is just not a smooth move and  MADem   Dec-06-11 11:23 AM   #5 
  - I agree. At best this will alienate public opinion. - n/t  Jim__   Dec-06-11 11:29 AM   #6 
  - Being in the closet and remaining quiet has worked so well to this point?  trotsky   Dec-06-11 12:15 PM   #11 
  - Becoming as bad or worse as that which you disdain will work, why?  hlthe2b   Dec-06-11 01:04 PM   #21 
  - "to the extent it does not trample on the rights, health, or safety of others"  trotsky   Dec-06-11 01:42 PM   #23 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-11 02:14 PM   #27 
     - Hate speech is hate speech whether it is free speech or not. It is quite obvious  humblebum   Dec-07-11 06:49 AM   #54 
        - You have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-07-11 03:04 PM   #71 
           - I think you can do better than that. nt  humblebum   Dec-07-11 10:30 PM   #74 
              - Again, you make no sense. The fact remains that you have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-08-11 08:58 AM   #75 
                 - And you equally have no right not to be offended, nor to be automatically accepted. nt  humblebum   Dec-08-11 09:59 AM   #76 
                    - I never claimed that right, but you sure did, and it's not your right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 01:17 AM   #77 
                    - When and where did I make such a claim? Just more deceptive blather. nt  humblebum   Dec-09-11 02:37 AM   #78 
                       - You have no right to not be offended. I'm glad we agree on that.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 10:03 AM   #79 
                          - So does that hold true for anyone in all cases, or just as you so decide?nt.  humblebum   Dec-09-11 10:37 AM   #80 
                             - You have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 10:44 AM   #81 
                                - I realize the tough questions require exercising the grey matter, so I won't  humblebum   Dec-09-11 10:57 AM   #82 
                                   - Yeah, thats what I said, you have no right to not be offended. Glad we agree.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 10:58 AM   #83 
                                      - It is such a great load lifted off of my shoulders to finally realize that it's OK  humblebum   Dec-09-11 12:00 PM   #85 
                                         - Using that "other way of knowing" again? All I said was you have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 01:36 PM   #86 
                                            - I would try "bait" you into an argument, but you have none. nt  humblebum   Dec-09-11 01:55 PM   #87 
                                            - You have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 02:48 PM   #88 
                                            - But, I always approach an argument with the expectation of an attempt being made to offend.  humblebum   Dec-09-11 03:20 PM   #89 
                                            - You have no right to not be offended  cleanhippie   Dec-09-11 04:11 PM   #90 
                                            - What's funny is that while you're busy doing your parrot imitation, you  humblebum   Dec-10-11 01:04 AM   #91 
                                            - You have no right to not be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-10-11 08:54 AM   #92 
                                            - You have no right to not be offended. nt  humblebum   Dec-10-11 12:24 PM   #93 
                                            - Yeah, thats exactly what I have been saying. Glad we agree.  cleanhippie   Dec-10-11 01:49 PM   #100 
                                            - You have no right to not be offended. Go ahead, it's your turn. nt  humblebum   Dec-10-11 01:52 PM   #101 
                                            - Its not my turn, thats exactly what I stated at the start. You have no right not to be offended.  cleanhippie   Dec-10-11 04:00 PM   #105 
                                            - You also made the claim that I claimed the right to not be offended.  humblebum   Dec-10-11 04:28 PM   #106 
                                            - So in other words you start with a self-fulfilling prophecy  LeftishBrit   Dec-10-11 12:52 PM   #96 
                                            - Its funny how everyone can see that but him.  cleanhippie   Dec-10-11 01:48 PM   #99 
                                            - You still avoid pointing out where I ever made such an implication.  humblebum   Dec-10-11 01:54 PM   #103 
                                            - I have no right to not be offended.  humblebum   Dec-10-11 01:53 PM   #102 
                    - The only rights that I claim...  LeftishBrit   Dec-10-11 12:58 PM   #97 
  - It's not a matter of staying in the closet.  LeftishBrit   Dec-10-11 12:41 PM   #94 
  - Really, are you respectful of those who practice FGM? How about honor killings...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-06-11 12:37 PM   #14 
     - No, it is a bastardization of Islam, as true Muslims will tell you.  hlthe2b   Dec-06-11 01:02 PM   #20 
        - The people doing the honor killings think they're True Muslims too. n/t  trotsky   Dec-06-11 01:43 PM   #24 
        - One can say that of many who use some excuse to commit evil deeds...  hlthe2b   Dec-06-11 02:15 PM   #28 
           - One can say that.  trotsky   Dec-07-11 06:39 AM   #53 
        - How do you tell false Muslims from true ones?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-06-11 03:37 PM   #30 
           - When you have actually read the Koran, you can ask that.  hlthe2b   Dec-06-11 05:38 PM   #33 
           - Uhn, to be frank, I don't care where their beliefs come from, they are still wrong. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Dec-06-11 06:38 PM   #38 
           - Except that I don't care if people are false or true Muslims  LeftishBrit   Dec-10-11 01:04 PM   #98 
  - Busted. Now they know that Halloween is our OTHER favorite holiday. nt  DCKit   Dec-06-11 11:12 AM   #3 
  - So can we do this with any mythologized person, or just Santa?  saras   Dec-06-11 11:34 AM   #7 
  - Each of those examples are free (read: protected) speech. n/t  laconicsax   Dec-06-11 11:37 AM   #8 
  - That's just stupid. "Let's see how we can get MORE people to hate us."  Speck Tater   Dec-06-11 11:47 AM   #9 
  - "Let's see how we can get MORE people to hate us."  trotsky   Dec-06-11 12:28 PM   #12 
     - There was nothing inherently offensive about pride parades.  Speck Tater   Dec-06-11 12:37 PM   #15 
        - To many people indeed there was something offensive about PRIDE parades.  trotsky   Dec-06-11 12:42 PM   #16 
        - You can't say that, "offensive" is subjective  deacon_sephiroth   Dec-07-11 09:38 AM   #58 
  - This is certainly not an isolated incident. Such actions are becoming more common.  humblebum   Dec-06-11 12:10 PM   #10 
  - Have you checked out the video of hundreds of children being indoctrinated in  MarkCharles   Dec-06-11 12:28 PM   #13 
     - Dear Mr. Pot, I guess it's a matter of perspective.  humblebum   Dec-06-11 12:47 PM   #17 
        - So if a majority of people are OKAY with a skeleton on Halloween but  MarkCharles   Dec-06-11 12:54 PM   #18 
           - I think you know the meaning of vacuous argument. And red herring.  humblebum   Dec-06-11 12:58 PM   #19 
           - I think you do too, as you have demonstrated that with your OP.  cleanhippie   Dec-06-11 01:48 PM   #25 
              - Yep, two rogues who might be atheists put up a skeleton Santa on a cross, and..  MarkCharles   Dec-06-11 02:04 PM   #26 
              - It is what it is. nt  humblebum   Dec-06-11 03:49 PM   #31 
           - Why are you always so dishonest about things that I have said?  humblebum   Dec-06-11 05:52 PM   #34 
  - Not sure what they are going for there  dmallind   Dec-06-11 01:25 PM   #22 
  - Well, I thought it was funny.  Iggo   Dec-06-11 02:37 PM   #29 
  - I'm sorry, that's just funny  Taverner   Dec-06-11 04:21 PM   #32 
  - Suuuuure. The people who did this want to "debase Christmas".  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 06:20 PM   #35 
  - "pointing out the absurdity of putting holiday decorations on government property."  humblebum   Dec-06-11 06:34 PM   #37 
     - Religious decorations, holiday-based or not, do not belong on government property.  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 06:48 PM   #40 
        - Tell that to the US Senate. nt  humblebum   Dec-06-11 07:25 PM   #41 
           - Oh please, like the Senate can't do, and hasn't done, something unconstitutional.  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 07:51 PM   #42 
              - Unconstitutional in your book, which is not always the consensus opinion.nt  humblebum   Dec-06-11 10:03 PM   #43 
                 - Baseless opinion is worthless in a discussion about fact.  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 10:09 PM   #44 
                    - So the fact that OJ was found innocent negates any opinions to the contrary?  humblebum   Dec-06-11 10:48 PM   #48 
                       - Where criminal law is concerned, it most certainly does.  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 10:54 PM   #49 
                       - Don't look now, but the varying opinions still exist. Though he can no longer be tried  humblebum   Dec-06-11 11:25 PM   #50 
                          - And that  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 11:30 PM   #51 
                             - "From the perspective of the law, he's innocent" - but that isn't the only  humblebum   Dec-07-11 11:44 AM   #59 
                                - Civil court has a MUCH lower standard burden of proof.  Goblinmonger   Dec-07-11 02:01 PM   #64 
                                   - And the court room was decorated in cherry wood, too.  humblebum   Dec-07-11 02:22 PM   #67 
                                   - It seems facts just get in the way.  darkstar3   Dec-07-11 09:48 PM   #73 
                       - OJ was found "Not Guilty." He was NOT found "innocent."  Goblinmonger   Dec-07-11 02:00 PM   #63 
                          - Point taken, but not germane to this argument. nt  humblebum   Dec-07-11 02:21 PM   #66 
  - It's tacky  NMMNG   Dec-06-11 06:22 PM   #36 
  - There's probably a button on the lighting controls for that tree...  Silent3   Dec-06-11 10:46 PM   #47 
     - Real flames would be better  NMMNG   Dec-07-11 06:57 PM   #72 
  - It's much worse than  frogmarch   Dec-06-11 06:40 PM   #39 
  - NOVA Atheists needs to ponder coherent message delivery  struggle4progress   Dec-06-11 10:15 PM   #45 
  - Sounds like the proper file.  darkstar3   Dec-06-11 10:26 PM   #46 
  - NOVA Atheists didn't put up the display.  trotsky   Dec-07-11 06:30 AM   #52 
     - Jonathan Weintraub of the NOVA Atheists is all over the media about this:  struggle4progress   Dec-07-11 08:03 AM   #55 
        - Yet NOVA Atheists didn't put up the display.  trotsky   Dec-07-11 08:15 AM   #56 
           - Come now, there's no reason to read an entire article before one  MarkCharles   Dec-07-11 11:55 AM   #60 
              - There's a super-special hypocrisy going on too...  trotsky   Dec-07-11 12:44 PM   #61 
                 - Yes, I agree. and atheists do that here on a regular basis. nt  humblebum   Dec-07-11 01:45 PM   #62 
                    - They DO WHAT? They don't read through mis-statements of fact and...  MarkCharles   Dec-07-11 02:11 PM   #65 
                       - How about hundreds and thousands going back to 2001. Don't be absurd. nt  humblebum   Dec-07-11 02:26 PM   #68 
                          - Unfortunate for you that you do NOT understand the challenge and...  MarkCharles   Dec-07-11 02:49 PM   #69 
                             - What's not to understand? That certain atheists here use isolated  humblebum   Dec-07-11 03:01 PM   #70 
  - Free Speech is, well, free.  jeepnstein   Dec-07-11 08:20 AM   #57 
  - Oh my Gawd, they killed Jack Skellington!  beam me up scottie   Dec-09-11 11:12 AM   #84 
  - While it did get approved  WolverineDG   Dec-10-11 12:48 PM   #95 
  - That is pretty interesting commentary on today's consumer-based Christmas.  ZombieHorde   Dec-10-11 03:14 PM   #104 

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