You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #132: yes, men can twist a doctrine to make it suit their purposes [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU
ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #129
132. yes, men can twist a doctrine to make it suit their purposes
and i am not tap dancing at all. simply explaining my position which you will never even try to accept.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
  -You want to see a hard core Red State wedding? bluestateguy  Dec-02-11 09:29 PM   #0 
  - The last family wedding I attended in San Francisco  EFerrari   Dec-02-11 09:32 PM   #1 
  - I've never seen that happen at a Catholic wedding  dflprincess   Dec-02-11 11:19 PM   #19 
     - Me, either and ditto. Lots of them.  EFerrari   Dec-03-11 07:34 AM   #24 
     - I'm Mediterranean...  a la izquierda   Dec-03-11 12:33 PM   #52 
  - First United Church of Cartman?  musette_sf   Dec-02-11 09:33 PM   #2 
  - Respect my Authoritaah ...  UndertheOcean   Dec-02-11 09:33 PM   #3 
  - "Submit to his authority"?  TheWraith   Dec-02-11 09:34 PM   #4 
  - A bondage wedding no doubt! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-02-11 09:40 PM   #8 
  - When Donna and I got married, I printed her immortal words on the invitations.  hobbit709   Dec-03-11 07:51 AM   #27 
  - So that's what the "sanctity of marriage" argument is really about...  begin_within   Dec-03-11 07:00 PM   #91 
  - As fundie weddings go I've seen worse. We're talking dowries. Long speeches about the bride's intact  LeftyMom   Dec-02-11 09:36 PM   #5 
  - A lot of times the pastor will get in a pot shot or two about gay marriage  bluestateguy   Dec-02-11 09:40 PM   #7 
  - Some fundies are just having religious ceremonies but no civil marriage,  LeftyMom   Dec-02-11 09:47 PM   #12 
  - Bride price is still done in some circles  XemaSab   Dec-02-11 10:07 PM   #14 
     - Wedding coins -- arras  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 01:13 PM   #62 
  - Held on the auction platform at the county fairground ring a bell?  XemaSab   Dec-02-11 10:05 PM   #13 
  - At least that one looked almost fun. The other one looked dismal.  LeftyMom   Dec-02-11 10:30 PM   #18 
     - Which is more dismal?  XemaSab   Dec-02-11 11:20 PM   #20 
  - Doweries? DOWERIES??? Ye Gods!!!  Odin2005   Dec-03-11 01:14 PM   #64 
  - Yet another WTF moment. n/t  RKP5637   Dec-02-11 09:39 PM   #6 
  - I love romantic weddings, but I ABHOR patriarchal bullshit. These people make me puke in my mouth  Sarah Ibarruri   Dec-02-11 09:42 PM   #9 
  - Respect my Authoritah!  MrMickeysMom   Dec-02-11 09:45 PM   #10 
  - I got through 1:20 before I started feeling ill  The Genealogist   Dec-02-11 09:46 PM   #11 
  - It really gets kinda mind numbing, doesn't it. What authoritarian crap IMO. n/t  RKP5637   Dec-02-11 10:11 PM   #15 
  - It is mind numbing, sickening, and I find myself sad too  The Genealogist   Dec-02-11 11:28 PM   #22 
  - Me too, I couldn't watch whole thing, especially when he started singing. n/t  RebelOne   Dec-03-11 10:26 AM   #38 
  - Had a friend who got married years ago and I went to his wedding in a Baptist church  Harry Monroe   Dec-02-11 10:19 PM   #16 
  - The younguns convinced Ma & Pa that they never even shared a kiss before they were wed.  Contrary1   Dec-02-11 10:21 PM   #17 
  - I believe these two...  Cid_B   Dec-03-11 08:42 AM   #32 
  - "creepy" is the first word that comes to mind  Terra Alta   Dec-02-11 11:25 PM   #21 
  - Not Even Close  ChoppinBroccoli   Dec-02-11 11:29 PM   #23 
  - allowing god to determine the size of your family?!  JanMichael   Dec-03-11 07:44 AM   #25 
  - Been there, done that..  Fumesucker   Dec-03-11 07:47 AM   #26 
  - Ugh  NMMNG   Dec-03-11 08:07 AM   #28 
  - If this had been a real Red State Weddin', they'd have been at least 1 exorcism or faith healing  kenny blankenship   Dec-03-11 08:12 AM   #29 
  - wow...ANOTHER DU thread full of mockery  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 08:17 AM   #30 
  - Yep! I love mocking religions.  Quantess   Dec-03-11 08:39 AM   #31 
  - here:  Gabi Hayes   Dec-03-11 09:11 AM   #34 
  - omg,  JanMichael   Dec-03-11 10:32 AM   #39 
  - the tolerance on display on this board  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 09:29 AM   #35 
  - The thread is mocking misogyny  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-03-11 10:07 AM   #36 
  - i disagree with the target of mockery  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 10:12 AM   #37 
     - Then you are making excuses for misogyny, and you are part of the problem  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-03-11 10:56 AM   #43 
     - biblical submission is about as far from misogyny as you can get  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:09 AM   #45 
        - "the man must submit first" - nothing about that in those vows  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-03-11 11:43 AM   #46 
        - yes, there is the core of submission  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:51 AM   #47 
           - But you yourself mentioned the hierarchy... the man must submit to Christ, but the woman...  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 11:58 AM   #48 
              - but the point is, if the man is in submission to Christ  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 12:23 PM   #50 
                 - the point is, if you spent as much time living in the real world as you apparently have wallowing  Gabi Hayes   Dec-03-11 12:28 PM   #51 
                 - + 1000  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 12:40 PM   #53 
                 - you're's not biblical at all...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 12:56 PM   #56 
                    - Why do you think your views deserve special treatment  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-03-11 09:09 PM   #97 
                       - i don't think MY views should be shielded from mockery  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:24 PM   #99 
                          - Your initial post in this thread was  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-04-11 01:21 AM   #108 
                             - you obviously failed to read my post...because my answer is there n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 07:56 AM   #115 
                                - Your post contradicts your earlier sentiments  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-04-11 11:21 AM   #171 
                 - Consensus is hard to reach, but it can be done without one person being officially in charge.  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 12:41 PM   #54 
                 - hey, I'm glad you disagree  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:05 PM   #58 
                 - I put the wants and needs of my family first.  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 01:00 PM   #57 
                 - I think you misread what I struggle with...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:10 PM   #59 
                    - Sorry to keep challenging you on this...  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 01:17 PM   #66 
                    - you know, that is a really good question  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:25 PM   #69 
                       - If it's seriously 50-50, I prefer a coin toss to the male having the authority to break the tie. nt  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 03:19 PM   #82 
                          - fair enough...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:25 PM   #100 
                             - Or you could take turns.  Capitalocracy   Dec-04-11 01:24 AM   #109 
                                - i can see that... n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 07:57 AM   #117 
                    - What is it that "Christ" would have you do that you are not naturally inclined to do?  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 01:17 PM   #67 
                    - there are many things that i think intelligent and good-hearted people  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:32 PM   #70 
                       - I am even tempered and loving by nature. I don't struggle with it.  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 01:39 PM   #73 
                          - don't be sorry for my wife...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:46 PM   #75 
                             - Your "struggles". nt  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 01:48 PM   #76 
                                - my struggles give you reason to believe  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:51 PM   #77 
                                - Just that I find it EASY to be good without god.  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 01:59 PM   #78 
                                - that makes you a better person than i am...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 02:01 PM   #79 
                                - I am a product of an atheist father and an Episcopalian that believes ...  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 02:08 PM   #80 
                                - You know, I find it hard to believe that you never "struggle" to be a good person  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-03-11 06:58 PM   #90 
                                - You don't know ME, that's certain.  PassingFair   Dec-03-11 07:37 PM   #93 
                                - OK, seriously, how does this "struggle" take place?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 07:54 AM   #114 
                                - the struggle is to continuously improve myself  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:06 AM   #118 
                                - See, when you say "conform to the image of Christ" I really don't call him an example of a good...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:12 AM   #120 
                                - you seem to miss the parts  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:37 AM   #130 
                                - Nothing should trump the love we have for our fellow human beings.  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:43 AM   #135 
                                - well, on that we will disagree  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:46 AM   #137 
                                - And that's what makes your beliefs dangerous to me and my friends and family...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:50 AM   #141 
                                - there are many out there that would...yes  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:56 AM   #145 
                                - So you don't value gods above humans, that's a good thing, I'm relieved.  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:01 AM   #149 
                                - if i were to believe God was telling me to kill someone  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:05 AM   #153 
                                - I think in this case, its your modern secular morality that is coloring your view...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:09 AM   #158 
                                - Disneyfication effect...i like it  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:22 AM   #162 
                                - So now being a good person, indeed superior to your god morally, makes you a wimp?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:25 AM   #164 
                                - Your willful strawman version of "Christianity" that you are trying to pin on PJM is dishonest  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-04-11 04:14 PM   #180 
                                - Why can't I cherry pick them Bible when he does the same?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-05-11 12:27 AM   #188 
                                - I don't think the other poster was suggesting he "struggles" not to rob and rape.  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-04-11 04:02 PM   #178 
                                - Spoken like a true religionist. Thanks for your view, but I'm not down on my whole species.  darkstar3   Dec-04-11 04:13 PM   #179 
                                - Please quote anything I said that suggests I am "down on my whole species"  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-04-11 04:16 PM   #181 
                                - Look at #178. Your assumptions about EVERYONE paint a pretty clear picture of your view.  darkstar3   Dec-04-11 04:33 PM   #182 
                                - Yes, EVERYONE struggles, and any suggestion to the contrary is blatantly false  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-04-11 04:48 PM   #183 
                                - Dishonest and disingenuous would be a good description of your false dichotomy.  darkstar3   Dec-04-11 05:08 PM   #184 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 05:36 PM   #185 
                                - More generalizing. How worthless.  darkstar3   Dec-04-11 05:44 PM   #186 
                                - The poster said that he needs God to control his "hideous temper"  PassingFair   Dec-04-11 06:10 PM   #187 
                                - I try to be more thoughtful of others, but I wouldn't characterize it as a stuggle...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-05-11 12:36 AM   #189 
                    - You know, there are some folks here that still remember your grandfather  JanMichael   Dec-03-11 06:16 PM   #88 
                       - JanMichael...sadly there are very few who do...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:28 PM   #101 
                 - Your beliefs are wide open to abuse  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-03-11 01:13 PM   #63 
                 - they certainly are...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:20 PM   #68 
                    - And isn't it OK for a system wide open to abuse to be mocked?  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-03-11 01:35 PM   #71 
                       - i think abuse of the system can be mocked  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 01:41 PM   #74 
                 - So the man assigns his own whims to a deity, and the woman submits to him.  LeftyMom   Dec-03-11 04:27 PM   #83 
                    - you could certainly look at it that way  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:29 PM   #102 
                       - Far worse than a coin toss, surely  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-04-11 05:38 AM   #111 
                          - if he is following the doctrine  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:09 AM   #119 
                             - Question, have you killed your kids for talking back at you?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:16 AM   #123 
                             - Could you point out where this doctrine exists? nt  LARED   Dec-04-11 08:20 AM   #125 
                             - The Bible, want me to point out chapter and verse?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:41 AM   #133 
                                - Jesus was condemning the act of putting tradition over people  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:50 AM   #140 
                                - So he contradicted himself?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:51 AM   #142 
                                - how did he contradict himself?  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:58 AM   #146 
                                - And you don't see a problem with that? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:03 AM   #151 
                                - no...Christ is teaching that while the law is correct  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:07 AM   #156 
                                - OK, let me see if I can get this straight...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:13 AM   #159 
                                - well, you certainly can twist it anyway you like it  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:29 AM   #165 
                                - There's a difference between worshipping some type of god, and worshipping the God of the Bible...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:41 AM   #167 
                             - well, once again, Christ commanded us not to condemn  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:44 AM   #136 
                                - I posted Chrst's words above, are you saying you disagree with them? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:52 AM   #143 
                                   - Stop! You are only adding to his struggles!  PassingFair   Dec-04-11 01:53 PM   #175 
                             - But the doctrine says she doesn't know, so she has to be told by her husband?  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-04-11 08:49 AM   #139 
        - Really? Do you really want to go down this route?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 07:42 AM   #113 
           - ah, there's the attack  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:14 AM   #121 
              - I didn't say you were a bad person, indeed, your stuggle with your religion...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:21 AM   # 
                 - ok, forgive me if i misinterpreted what you were saying  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:32 AM   #128 
                    - I see mockery as a useful tool in marginalizing bad ideas and bad beliefs...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:48 AM   #138 
                       - well, again, we will have to disagree  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:54 AM   #144 
     - hierarchy of submission? WHAT THE FUCK?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 07:28 AM   #112 
        - and i cannot believe  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:15 AM   #122 
           - Hell yes a humanist, NO HUMAN should submit to another, period...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 08:17 AM   #124 
              - but you have said clearly that you do not respect others  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:59 AM   #147 
              - I can respect their right to live and believe whatever they want...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:06 AM   #154 
                 - i dont' see it that way...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:09 AM   #157 
                    - This is supremely ironic coming from someone who thinks the laws of the Bible are correct...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:19 AM   #161 
              - Women are not real human beings.  PassingFair   Dec-04-11 12:50 PM   #173 
  - So after all of that grousing at others, have you realized yet  darkstar3   Dec-04-11 03:22 PM   #177 
  - +1  roody   Dec-03-11 12:50 PM   #55 
  - At least no one here called for anyone's death  sarge43   Dec-03-11 10:46 AM   #40 
  - It is not mockery of their beliefs, but a mockery of the Duggars. n/t  RebelOne   Dec-03-11 10:47 AM   #42 
  - Nothing wrong with mocking backward idiots.  Odin2005   Dec-03-11 01:11 PM   #60 
  - Yeah, just like the one mocking  ThoughtCriminal   Dec-03-11 01:38 PM   #72 
  - I'm mocking the dude's cheesy singing  deutsey   Dec-03-11 02:19 PM   #81 
  - Is it improper to mock someone's religion if it denigrates homosexuals?  CreekDog   Dec-03-11 05:04 PM   #87 
  - disagree with them yes...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:32 PM   #104 
     - "all people have worth and deserve respect"  Deep13   Dec-04-11 02:09 AM   #110 
        - we will agree to disagree then  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:21 AM   #126 
           - You are a shining example of why people dislike religion. You are using your religion as a reason  WhollyHeretic   Dec-04-11 08:38 AM   #131 
           - no...i have tried to explain why  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:01 AM   #148 
              - Because there is no understanding here...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:23 AM   #163 
                 - so you believe...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:35 AM   #166 
                    - Hopefully your beliefs will eventually be marginalized to the fringes of society where they belong.  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:45 AM   #168 
                       - and after all that you had to go and be rude...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 12:38 PM   #172 
                          - Actually, its an honest hope, your beliefs are dangerous...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 01:31 PM   #174 
           - Or maybe they believe than women are equal to men  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-04-11 09:07 AM   #155 
           - i can see your point...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:15 AM   #160 
           - It is as simple as that. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 10:18 AM   #170 
           - Your assumptions are completely wrong.  Deep13   Dec-04-11 01:56 PM   #176 
  - If they don't want to be mocked, they should not broadcast their stupid beliefs.  Deep13   Dec-03-11 07:53 PM   #94 
  - To quote Nelson  WhollyHeretic   Dec-03-11 08:18 PM   #95 
  - see post #104 for my feelings  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:33 PM   #105 
     - Sorry no. Misogynistic crap deserves no respect. Do the practitioners of FGM deserve respect?  WhollyHeretic   Dec-04-11 07:57 AM   #116 
        - i do not approve of them, no  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:26 AM   #127 
           - Sorry but the religious misogyny that you peddle is dangerous crap. No matter what tap dancing  WhollyHeretic   Dec-04-11 08:35 AM   #129 
           - yes, men can twist a doctrine to make it suit their purposes  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 08:39 AM   #132 
              - Unlike you I'm not one to accept misogyny.  WhollyHeretic   Dec-04-11 08:42 AM   #134 
                 - i never once said i accept misogyny...  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-04-11 09:02 AM   #150 
                    - That is what you are promoting with your "submission" crap. No matter how hard you try and tap dance  WhollyHeretic   Dec-04-11 09:04 AM   #152 
           - OK, where is your Christ protrayed anywhere in scripture? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Dec-04-11 09:47 AM   #169 
  - Wait, haven't you been a DU mod?  LeftyMom   Dec-03-11 08:34 PM   #96 
  - nope...never applied for mod-hood  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:29 PM   #103 
  - Some beliefs deserve mockery  NMMNG   Dec-03-11 10:34 PM   #98 
     - while i would disagree that those beliefs should be mocked  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-03-11 11:34 PM   #106 
  - If Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were to make a savage satire of a conservative wedding....  DFW   Dec-03-11 09:03 AM   #33 
  - This is mostly about the video.  Ron Green   Dec-03-11 10:47 AM   #41 
  - He starts singing AFTER the I do, of course...  Capitalocracy   Dec-03-11 11:07 AM   #44 
  - blech!!!!  and-justice-for-all   Dec-03-11 12:02 PM   #49 
  - Authoritarian religion is a scourge on humanity.  Odin2005   Dec-03-11 01:13 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-11 01:14 PM   #65 
  - Ugh. You'd think the Xtians and the Taliban would make natural allies.  Initech   Dec-03-11 04:30 PM   #84 
  - that is disgusting  JitterbugPerfume   Dec-03-11 04:33 PM   #85 
  - ugh. cant watch it.  Liberal_in_LA   Dec-03-11 04:34 PM   #86 
  - I don't see what this has to do with being a red state wedding  Raine   Dec-03-11 06:52 PM   #89 
  - Because shorthand slogans are fun and easy  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-03-11 07:02 PM   #92 
  - That is the first time that I have seen a wedding where ............  Tx4obama   Dec-04-11 12:41 AM   #107 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC