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Fri Nov-25-11 11:20 PM
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...challenged to produce substance and depth, you retreat into a sophmoric quip. You don't think others aren't catching on to this pattern? If you want to leave the impression that there's no there there with you, you're doing an excellent job of it.
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| -What does it mean to "know" something? To have knowledge? |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 02:12 PM |
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Whuuut? |
geckosfeet |
Nov-25-11 02:30 PM |
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It is certainly one function of myth |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 03:09 PM |
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There's a difference between a path to knowledge and knowledge itself |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:00 PM |
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Debating the correctness of other ways of knowing, comes down to, in the end, |
geckosfeet |
Nov-25-11 04:10 PM |
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Why "(knowledge)" parenthetically after the word "beliefs"? |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:33 PM |
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You are right. At the root, contradiction is the only truth. |
geckosfeet |
Nov-25-11 08:26 PM |
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That's different perception, not different knowledge. |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 11:07 PM |
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Because individual knowledge is completely dependent upon perception. |
geckosfeet |
Nov-26-11 08:04 AM |
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I hardly expect to reach "the final word" |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 10:34 AM |
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How does one obtain |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 11:46 AM |
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It's a social process |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 02:57 PM |
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Can that experience be measured empirically? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 03:06 PM |
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What do you mean by "measuring" an experience? |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 03:28 PM |
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The term "knowledge" seems quite simple to me. |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 04:03 PM |
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"If you know something, it's knowledge" is uselessly circular. |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 04:23 PM |
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Why did you post the OP? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 06:55 PM |
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In response to much talk over time in R/T... |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 07:33 PM |
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Why did you decide it would be interesting? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 07:42 PM |
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Am I going to get billed for this? |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 08:42 PM |
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Good. This is walking the fine between sohphism and nonsense. |
geckosfeet |
Nov-27-11 12:48 PM |
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You intrepret your feelings correctly. |
rrneck |
Nov-27-11 01:03 PM |
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A "bat" can be a flying mammal or a thing you hit a baseball with |
Silent3 |
Nov-27-11 01:23 PM |
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So you disregard information |
rrneck |
Nov-27-11 01:57 PM |
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Huh? |
Silent3 |
Nov-27-11 02:05 PM |
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Whatever you want to do. |
rrneck |
Nov-27-11 02:21 PM |
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Somehow, according to a heated PM conversation I've been given leave... |
Silent3 |
Nov-27-11 10:07 PM |
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*sigh* |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 04:14 AM |
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Considering that whole books are written on the subject of epistemology... |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 06:34 PM |
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So how can individual introspection be universally true? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 07:04 PM |
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What part of individual introspection? |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 07:31 PM |
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Should individual introspection be considered universally true? |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 07:35 PM |
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Again, I have to ask, that it occurs... |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 07:44 PM |
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Nope. You got out again. |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 07:51 PM |
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I didn't "get out", I honestly can't figure out... |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 08:08 PM |
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Maybe this will help. |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 08:11 PM |
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I know the meaning of the word. |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 08:16 PM |
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LOL! |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 08:23 PM |
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If I make up *an* introspection, a particular instance of introspection... |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 08:36 PM |
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Is your intorspection universally true? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 08:39 PM |
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That I engage in introspection is likely true. |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 08:57 PM |
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Did your introspection actually occur? |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 09:02 PM |
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As an event in time? |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 09:33 PM |
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Then what make your candidate true? |
rrneck |
Nov-28-11 10:59 PM |
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Nothing absolutely makes it true. |
Silent3 |
Nov-28-11 11:29 PM |
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Well, I guess I was wrong. |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 12:20 AM |
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So, what were you digging for? |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 09:45 AM |
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I'm not digging at all. |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 11:12 AM |
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Can you verify your own self awareness to anyone but yourself? |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 12:21 PM |
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My thoughts are my own |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 01:40 PM |
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Thoughts that are yours and yours alone don't have much impact |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 03:02 PM |
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Does a thought have to be communicated to another |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 03:47 PM |
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Answer a few of my questions first... |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 03:55 PM |
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Feeling cornered again? |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 04:08 PM |
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You're just being lazy now. |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 04:20 PM |
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Can't do it huh? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 05:15 PM |
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I just had a thought... |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 05:52 PM |
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Okay. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 06:22 PM |
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Now we all understand |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 08:54 PM |
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Gah! I love it! And I have knowledge of a funny image. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-29-11 09:09 PM |
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Awareness |
postatomic |
Nov-25-11 02:35 PM |
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If the word "knowledge" is difficult to apply, then why apply it? |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 03:32 PM |
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You were the one applying the word 'knowledge' |
postatomic |
Nov-25-11 10:39 PM |
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Yes, I applied the word "knowledge"... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 11:01 PM |
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You make many assumptions |
postatomic |
Nov-26-11 04:35 PM |
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"You make many assumptions" |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 05:37 PM |
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What an utterly FANTASTIC post! Heads are exploding right now! |
cleanhippie |
Nov-25-11 02:36 PM |
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As interesting as all of this is |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 02:53 PM |
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Very well stated. I was wondering where you had found that, but I |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 02:56 PM |
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The major problem here is that graduate courses in "other ways of knowing" are |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 03:06 PM |
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That is a major problem. |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 03:16 PM |
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What it proves is that your opinion is definitely not universally accepted. Here's one: |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 03:22 PM |
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Calling something |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 03:25 PM |
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And listening to someone swear up and down it ain't so, in spite of |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 03:31 PM |
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OPINIONS? I thought the topic was "knowledge", not opinion. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 03:35 PM |
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I am referring to the "opinions" or "convictions" or "understandings" (whatever |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 03:41 PM |
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I am usually quite amenable to respecting "opinions" or "understandings" that can be |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 04:07 PM |
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Did you type that post? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-25-11 07:51 PM |
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You don't see because you don't want to see. And you are the one who claimed |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 08:13 PM |
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If either you or Jodie Wear-Leiker would like to elaborate... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 03:48 PM |
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Who? nt |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 04:03 PM |
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She's the one who apparently teaches that course... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:05 PM |
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How much more substance do you need? There are many institutions |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 04:13 PM |
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What do I care about universal acceptance? |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:36 PM |
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Have fun on your island. nt |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 08:10 PM |
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Once again... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 11:20 PM |
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You have now resorted to using buzz words in an attempt to appear |
humblebum |
Nov-26-11 12:44 AM |
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Of course many people don't think like me. |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 10:02 AM |
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Over the past few weeks, you and others have been supplied |
humblebum |
Nov-26-11 11:38 AM |
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Again, you refer elsewhere and don't speak for yourself |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 11:49 AM |
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You are showing that you have seen, but rejected the information you |
humblebum |
Nov-26-11 12:01 PM |
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Then tell me what IN YOUR OPINION, with YOUR OWN analysis... |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 12:07 PM |
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That "cozy little paradigm" rejects any method, or epistemology, or any |
humblebum |
Nov-26-11 12:20 PM |
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My OP clearly denies your claim about "near 100% objective proof". |
Silent3 |
Nov-26-11 02:48 PM |
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An excellent summary of what has, and has NOT been presented as... |
MarkCharles |
Nov-26-11 02:59 PM |
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An excellent statement of what is going on here, well done! n/t |
MarkCharles |
Nov-26-11 02:53 PM |
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From THIS school? Professors in philosophy of religion? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-25-11 03:53 PM |
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If it was only one institution or one person teaching courses like this, |
humblebum |
Nov-25-11 04:07 PM |
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Sure there are |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 03:23 PM |
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There are several threads about this - why start a new one? |
bananas |
Nov-25-11 03:16 PM |
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So alert. |
laconicsax |
Nov-25-11 03:16 PM |
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There's a double-standard at play. nt |
bananas |
Nov-25-11 03:44 PM |
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Then take it to ATA. n/t |
laconicsax |
Nov-25-11 08:05 PM |
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You are free not to read or participate, if the topic doesn't interest you, or |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 03:32 PM |
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No existing thread on this subject used the particular approach... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:42 PM |
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I am so glad you did, and appreciate the incredibly valiant effort. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 04:50 PM |
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There must be quite a few people quietly annoyed by my OP... |
Silent3 |
Nov-25-11 04:59 PM |
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Lots of people seem to object to logical analysis when it comes to their |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 05:03 PM |
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Did the Ptolemaic system constitute knowledge? |
Jim__ |
Nov-25-11 06:45 PM |
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Did it later get confirmed by others working independently of Ptolemy? |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 06:56 PM |
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One day in the future people will be amused at our quaint notions of quantum physics. |
rug |
Nov-25-11 07:17 PM |
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Are we "amused" by Newton's "quaint" notions of gravity, and momentum? |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 07:26 PM |
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I am amused by smug certitude. |
rug |
Nov-25-11 07:32 PM |
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If you view the scientific process and discipline as "smug", try reading |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 07:39 PM |
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I don't view a scientific process as smug; I view people who cling to it as a sine qua non to be. |
rug |
Nov-25-11 07:51 PM |
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I didn't miss a thing, I know the guy who made the video. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-25-11 08:14 PM |
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If you indeed know him you should have a talk. |
rug |
Nov-25-11 09:46 PM |
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I see you once again avoided answering questions, and instead chose to |
MarkCharles |
Nov-26-11 08:12 AM |
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I'm assume you're certain of that. |
rug |
Nov-26-11 08:59 AM |
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I think that's probably true. But I'm not sure. |
Jim__ |
Nov-25-11 08:29 PM |
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I'm a little more optimistic. |
rrneck |
Nov-25-11 08:56 PM |
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To me the difference is that language doesn't break down at mach 2. |
Jim__ |
Nov-26-11 09:00 AM |
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I think that |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 11:28 AM |
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The term "mach" is new. But it represents a known concept - a measure of speed. |
Jim__ |
Nov-26-11 12:29 PM |
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That makes sense. |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 12:57 PM |
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Sometimes I get the same feeling at the cosmological level. |
Jim__ |
Nov-26-11 01:37 PM |
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If you know something, it's knowledge. |
rrneck |
Nov-25-11 07:38 PM |
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Can someone "know" |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 10:04 PM |
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It is of great value |
rrneck |
Nov-25-11 11:52 PM |
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Except that under your definition |
skepticscott |
Nov-26-11 07:43 AM |
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Well, there is that whole free will thing. |
rrneck |
Nov-26-11 11:19 AM |
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Picking up on one point here ... |
Nihil |
Nov-30-11 12:09 PM |
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You'll be happy to know |
skepticscott |
Nov-25-11 10:20 PM |
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I try to communicate clearly. |
Boojatta |
Nov-26-11 12:41 PM |
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I know that posts like this serve no purpose |
Angry Dragon |
Nov-26-11 11:44 PM |
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It has at the very least been entertaining |
Silent3 |
Nov-27-11 01:18 AM |
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As long as you had fun |
Angry Dragon |
Nov-27-11 10:02 AM |
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I thought it was one of the best attempts to grapple with this subject I've seen in R/T. |
trotsky |
Nov-29-11 07:05 AM |
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Considering that the most engaged attempt... |
Silent3 |
Nov-29-11 09:58 PM |
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Did you qualify your own self awareness yet? |
rrneck |
Nov-30-11 10:16 AM |
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Ah, Magritte |
Silent3 |
Nov-30-11 10:36 AM |
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Ah Fillmore |
rrneck |
Nov-30-11 10:46 AM |
#140 |
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