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122. Erasmus made a valiant effort
to translate an untranslatable word. It is one of the difficulties of dealing with concepts from different cultures. "Logos" in the Greek world means neither word or speech/conversation. If we only had the conceptual language of the Chinese we would understand the notion of the "Tao." And that is exactly the word we use in our Chinese translations. And it covers a lot of ground philosophically that we just don't have in English--or even Greek.

The Jesus Seminar---now the Bible Seminar--- is not fixated on voting. It has evolved more into a consensus model. It tends first to elicit the best research available.

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  -I just returned Thats my opinion  Nov-19-11 06:35 PM   #0 
  - Sorry, but that's what you're going to get here.  demosincebirth   Nov-19-11 06:39 PM   #1 
  - So you surround yourself with so-called theologians who make it their hobby to weed out other Scots  darkstar3   Nov-19-11 06:41 PM   #2 
  - reccomend....  madrchsod   Nov-19-11 06:44 PM   #3 
  - Tell them that if they truly want to understand Christianity  moobu2   Nov-19-11 06:47 PM   #4 
  - Personally, I am only using this site for sex. Can't speak for anyone else though.  riderinthestorm   Nov-19-11 06:53 PM   #5 
  - Basically you want to pretend that *your* version of Christianity  NMMNG   Nov-19-11 07:04 PM   #6 
  - +1  darkstar3   Nov-19-11 07:20 PM   #10 
  - I have never inferred  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 11:11 PM   #69 
     - You're hell-bent on ignoring the "dark side"  NMMNG   Nov-20-11 11:30 PM   #70 
        - And his insistence about them being fictitious and/or marginal enables them further.  darkstar3   Nov-20-11 11:32 PM   #71 
        - Indeed  NMMNG   Nov-21-11 12:09 AM   #72 
        - bye. nt  skepticscott   Nov-21-11 05:18 AM   #74 
  - Did you bring a couple of stone tablets with you?  WhollyHeretic   Nov-19-11 07:13 PM   #7 
  - No. He but he bought the T-Shirt.  PassingFair   Nov-20-11 10:56 AM   #39 
     - The OP's are never very good  rrneck   Nov-20-11 11:37 AM   #41 
  - Then you know what?  trotsky   Nov-19-11 07:14 PM   #8 
  - So now we are just caricatures?  Goblinmonger   Nov-19-11 07:17 PM   #9 
  - The yummy bits of nastiness dug up from the internet? Jeez, they must be really deep thinking  Lint Head   Nov-19-11 07:25 PM   #11 
  - This is exactly what the Bible Seminar will look at.  Thats my opinion   Nov-19-11 10:33 PM   #25 
  - You bet there were  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 01:44 PM   #43 
  - In the end  edhopper   Nov-19-11 07:35 PM   #12 
  - You must be a superior genius  Thats my opinion   Nov-19-11 10:36 PM   #26 
     - So help us out  rrneck   Nov-19-11 11:36 PM   #30 
     - From your various post  edhopper   Nov-20-11 08:20 AM   #32 
        - Thank you for the last sentence.  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 01:50 PM   #44 
        - Wait, what? You just agreed that the heart of the disagreement is that non-believers question  cleanhippie   Nov-20-11 09:22 PM   #58 
           - bye nt  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 09:40 PM   #60 
              - Bwahahahahaha! Bye? THAT is your response, bye?  cleanhippie   Nov-21-11 09:13 AM   #76 
                 - LOL...wow.  Iggo   Nov-21-11 10:39 AM   #79 
                 - If we keep asking uncomfortable questions  rrneck   Nov-21-11 06:35 PM   #91 
                    - I think he already DOES have the entire forum on ignore.  cleanhippie   Nov-21-11 07:01 PM   #93 
                       - ...  rrneck   Nov-21-11 08:10 PM   #98 
                       - Aw, and I didn't even get a "Bye. nt."  Iggo   Nov-21-11 08:22 PM   #100 
                          - Hello, hello. Each of those hellos should be worth at least half a bye.  Boojatta   Nov-21-11 08:47 PM   #103 
                             - You're right.  Iggo   Nov-21-11 08:47 PM   #104 
        - So now you've been told  skepticscott   Nov-20-11 07:04 PM   #57 
           - It would seem that he is really not any different after all.  cleanhippie   Nov-20-11 09:25 PM   #59 
           - bye nt  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 09:41 PM   #61 
              - LOL  NMMNG   Nov-20-11 09:50 PM   #64 
              - Is it supposed to bother us  skepticscott   Nov-21-11 05:16 AM   #73 
  - Good news!  rrneck   Nov-19-11 07:41 PM   #13 
  - What is r/t?  snagglepuss   Nov-19-11 08:16 PM   #14 
  - R/T = the Religion/Theology forum  NMMNG   Nov-19-11 08:41 PM   #15 
     - Thanks. I think I've reached an acronym tipping point  snagglepuss   Nov-19-11 09:11 PM   #20 
  - Welcome back!  bananas   Nov-19-11 08:45 PM   #16 
  - It's also a place  rrneck   Nov-19-11 08:51 PM   #17 
  - Absolutely agree. nt  bananas   Nov-19-11 09:06 PM   #19 
  - Fair summary.  rug   Nov-19-11 08:51 PM   #18 
  - 5) It's a place to discuss religion and theology from ALL points of view.  darkstar3   Nov-19-11 09:13 PM   #21 
  - What fundie hell-holes?  Mariana   Nov-19-11 10:01 PM   #22 
  - Good point.  darkstar3   Nov-19-11 10:02 PM   #23 
  - Well said  NMMNG   Nov-19-11 10:21 PM   #24 
  - So they admins  Thats my opinion   Nov-19-11 10:42 PM   #27 
     - And YOU tried to get the admins to shut R/T down  skepticscott   Nov-19-11 10:58 PM   #28 
     - The admins were "able" tomove discussion here  rrneck   Nov-20-11 09:52 AM   #35 
     - The OP remains convinced  skepticscott   Nov-20-11 10:38 AM   #36 
        - Yep.  rrneck   Nov-20-11 10:41 AM   #37 
     - What you've seen since you've been here is mild compared to how it used to be. nt  bananas   Nov-20-11 10:46 AM   #38 
     - Hi. I still think there is room for a rational conversation.  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 09:45 PM   #62 
        - But YOU are the one not interested in rational conversation.  cleanhippie   Nov-21-11 11:08 AM   #81 
        - When your notion of  skepticscott   Nov-21-11 06:04 PM   #85 
        - You don't want rational conversation  NMMNG   Nov-21-11 06:12 PM   #86 
        - I'm proud to be there.  rrneck   Nov-21-11 06:27 PM   #89 
     - "New Atheism" is an intolerant religious belief system based on pseudo-science  bananas   Nov-20-11 11:30 AM   #40 
        - Strange how you completely misinterpreted that quote.  trotsky   Nov-20-11 01:27 PM   #42 
        - Sam Harris: "Science Must Destroy Religion"  bananas   Nov-20-11 02:51 PM   #46 
           - Science does destroy religion.  darkstar3   Nov-20-11 03:00 PM   #47 
           - So we now know two things:  trotsky   Nov-20-11 03:01 PM   #48 
              - I didn't misrepresent the quote. nt  bananas   Nov-20-11 03:04 PM   #50 
                 - Oh but you absolutely did.  trotsky   Nov-20-11 04:01 PM   #53 
        - Such fantasy, really quite astonishing, and so intolerant, too.  MarkCharles   Nov-20-11 01:56 PM   #45 
        - "a mishmash of Buddhism and "Time-Life Mysteries of The Unknown"  bananas   Nov-20-11 03:03 PM   #49 
        - "One of the leaders"?  darkstar3   Nov-20-11 03:11 PM   #52 
           - Sam Harris is not just a leader but one of the founders of New Atheism  bananas   Nov-23-11 07:21 AM   #118 
              - Can you explain something?  laconicsax   Nov-23-11 11:38 AM   #121 
                 - Stop. Using. Facts. And. Evidence.  cleanhippie   Nov-23-11 12:50 PM   #126 
                 - Sorry, my bad. n/t  laconicsax   Nov-23-11 03:05 PM   #129 
                 - Every year, car dealerships announce New Car Models  bananas   Nov-24-11 04:36 AM   #131 
                    - Wow, that was the best answer  skepticscott   Nov-24-11 08:34 AM   #132 
                    - LOL! Good one!  laconicsax   Nov-25-11 03:02 PM   #135 
        - SAM HARRIS ALERT woo-woo! woo-woo!  bananas   Nov-20-11 03:10 PM   #51 
           - Why are you so intolerant of Sam Harris?  trotsky   Nov-20-11 04:04 PM   #54 
        - Interesting how those fearful religious believers turn the lack of belief in a god into a  MarkCharles   Nov-20-11 04:16 PM   #55 
  - Just so I understand your post................  Angry Dragon   Nov-19-11 11:31 PM   #29 
  - It is all true.  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 09:59 PM   #65 
     - Yeah, your "head in the sand" approach is just another form of wilfull ignorance.  cleanhippie   Nov-21-11 09:17 AM   #77 
     - That's your problem.  rrneck   Nov-21-11 06:23 PM   #88 
     - There's your problem  NMMNG   Nov-21-11 06:31 PM   #90 
  - Why do I get the feeling...  trotsky   Nov-20-11 07:18 AM   #31 
  - I just returned from a serious academic conference about school education  LeftishBrit   Nov-20-11 08:35 AM   #33 
  - +1  Adsos Letter   Nov-20-11 04:40 PM   #56 
  - You are right.  Thats my opinion   Nov-20-11 10:06 PM   #66 
     - Again, you're mistaken as to the purpose of this forum.  laconicsax   Nov-20-11 10:16 PM   # 
     - He's not hard of reading  NMMNG   Nov-20-11 10:41 PM   #68 
     - Editing, because I'd thought your reply was just to me!  LeftishBrit   Nov-21-11 06:26 AM   #75 
     - "just changed the group to whom I now respond"  rrneck   Nov-20-11 10:16 PM   #67 
        - That's a good cause  tama   Nov-21-11 07:16 PM   #95 
           - When you lose a debate, you win an opportunity to lose a misconception.  Boojatta   Nov-21-11 07:45 PM   #96 
           - If debates and rational arguments  tama   Nov-21-11 08:16 PM   #99 
              - Edit your conclusion a bit and it might be visibly paradoxical.  Boojatta   Nov-21-11 08:41 PM   #102 
                 - Who and what am "I" or "us"?  tama   Nov-21-11 08:57 PM   #106 
           - I agree for the most part.  rrneck   Nov-21-11 08:07 PM   #97 
              - I would call  tama   Nov-21-11 08:47 PM   #105 
                 - I don't think one can approach religion  rrneck   Nov-21-11 09:18 PM   #108 
                    - Rationality and practice  tama   Nov-22-11 11:51 AM   #112 
                       - The evaluation of the effects  rrneck   Nov-22-11 12:07 PM   #113 
                          - I can fly  tama   Nov-23-11 03:16 AM   #114 
                             - Very true.  rrneck   Nov-23-11 01:02 PM   #128 
  - Another OP fails.  cleanhippie   Nov-20-11 09:41 AM   #34 
  - bye nt  laconicsax   Nov-20-11 09:46 PM   #63 
  - "slightest idea about what is going on in religion"  Deep13   Nov-21-11 09:25 AM   #78 
  - Asking thatsmyopinion questions will get you put on ignore, apparently.  cleanhippie   Nov-21-11 11:05 AM   #80 
  - He was a crummy conversationalist any. nt  Deep13   Nov-22-11 11:16 AM   #111 
  - I don't much give a shit.  rrneck   Nov-21-11 06:20 PM   #87 
  - Philological studies of ancient scriptures  tama   Nov-21-11 07:07 PM   #94 
     - So, new ways of looking at the same old writings? nt  Deep13   Nov-22-11 11:15 AM   #110 
        - To put it short,  tama   Nov-23-11 03:34 AM   #115 
  - Christians are the instigators.  Quartermass   Nov-21-11 11:37 AM   #82 
  - Not much?  Iggo   Nov-21-11 03:24 PM   #83 
  - At a meeting of PhD astronomers you don't get many people who buy astrology  dmallind   Nov-21-11 04:16 PM   #84 
  - What if  tama   Nov-21-11 06:54 PM   #92 
  - Religion isn't supposed to be rational  rrneck   Nov-21-11 08:29 PM   #101 
     - I don't know  tama   Nov-21-11 09:14 PM   #107 
  - Oh, they certainly would recognize the caricatures...  onager   Nov-21-11 09:52 PM   #109 
  - The "caricatures" still rule  tama   Nov-23-11 04:17 AM   #116 
  - Practicing Christianity  tama   Nov-23-11 04:45 AM   #117 
  - Erasmus made a valiant effort  Thats my opinion   Nov-23-11 11:41 AM   #122 
  - "If the evangelical mainstream wants me to view the religious right as marginal,...  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-23-11 07:55 AM   #119 
     - You can expect  skepticscott   Nov-23-11 10:38 AM   #120 
     - The religious right does represent much of main street religion,  Thats my opinion   Nov-23-11 11:52 AM   #123 
        - But you just called them an unrecognizable caricature in your OP.  laconicsax   Nov-23-11 11:55 AM   #124 
        - NOW you admit that  skepticscott   Nov-23-11 12:12 PM   #125 
        - Imagine that! In one of your few actual responses to a question, you contradict yourself. AGAIN!  cleanhippie   Nov-23-11 12:52 PM   #127 
        - Progressive christians benefit from their activities nonetheless. nt  rrneck   Nov-23-11 03:17 PM   #130 
           - I disagree that they do - but perhaps it's because I'm from a different country  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-11 09:07 AM   #133 
              - We have already begun our national orgy of consumerism  rrneck   Nov-24-11 09:31 AM   #134 
 

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