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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. I'm not talking about the specific definition anymore
but what makes a good definition. I spent two years as the primary coach and researcher for topicality (a definition-based argument) at a major college debate program. I'll go toe-to-toe with you on what makes a good definition any day.
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  -Great new billboard from American Atheists No Joe  Nov-16-11 09:12 AM   #0 
  - The far right one isn't a myth - it's the reason for OWS.  HopeHoops   Nov-16-11 09:14 AM   #1 
  - That's insulting  No Joe   Nov-16-11 09:18 AM   #2 
  - Good point.  HopeHoops   Nov-16-11 09:26 AM   #5 
  - Satan honors his contracts ...  zbdent   Nov-16-11 10:35 AM   #22 
     - You just reminded me of a brilliant line from one of my favorite shows:  redqueen   Nov-16-11 12:22 PM   #35 
  - Truth be told, that's the best photo of Eric Cantor I've seen in years...  johnfunk   Nov-16-11 09:18 AM   #3 
     - Oh that's just so wrong to say.  HopeHoops   Nov-16-11 09:26 AM   #6 
  - Clearly the picture on the right...  brooklynite   Nov-16-11 09:24 AM   #4 
  - "Since 1963" implies that atheism itself is a recent phenomenon, and that Madalyn Murray O'Hair  LeftinOH   Nov-16-11 09:28 AM   #7 
  - i don't get your objection  barbtries   Nov-16-11 09:33 AM   #9 
  - Only if you mistakenly infer they are referring to atheism itself. Which is ridiculous.  redqueen   Nov-16-11 09:34 AM   #11 
  - I don't mistake the date as referring to atheism itself.. but I'm looking at it objectively;  LeftinOH   Nov-16-11 12:23 PM   #36 
  - I think that is when American Atheists was founded.  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 11:28 AM   #27 
  - That is American Atheist establishment date...  and-justice-for-all   Nov-17-11 06:09 AM   #96 
  - Why would an atheist waste their money to spread the word?  TheManInTheMac   Nov-16-11 09:32 AM   #8 
  - For precisely the same reason a homosexual would spend his/her money to 'spread the word'  Lance_Boyle   Nov-16-11 09:36 AM   #12 
  - I've never been told there is anything wrong with me for being an atheist.  TheManInTheMac   Nov-16-11 09:50 AM   #16 
     - So because you've never personally experienced it, religious discrimination doesn't exist?  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 11:14 AM   #24 
     - Ever tried to run for office? (nt)  redqueen   Nov-16-11 12:20 PM   #33 
     - So discrimination doesn't exist because you've never experienced it?  NMMNG   Nov-16-11 06:10 PM   #71 
  - The atheists organizations out there  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 10:07 AM   #18 
  - Hahahahahahah  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 11:29 AM   #28 
  - Silence = Death  Deep13   Nov-16-11 11:29 PM   #88 
  - Why put up this billboard at all?  lunatica   Nov-16-11 09:33 AM   #10 
  - Yeah, they should tithe instead.  Lance_Boyle   Nov-16-11 09:36 AM   #14 
  - So it's either one or the other?  lunatica   Nov-16-11 12:32 PM   #42 
  - Because they aren't atheists at all.  TheManInTheMac   Nov-16-11 09:39 AM   #15 
  - Spoken like a true AthIest.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 10:35 AM   #21 
  - Simple. I don't believe in god.  TheManInTheMac   Nov-16-11 02:01 PM   #61 
     - Geez, mister, thank you! I never thought of it that way. I'se jest one o'dem stoopid uppity atheists  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 02:20 PM   #64 
        - You're welcome.  TheManInTheMac   Nov-16-11 07:12 PM   #75 
  - Wow. Your demonstration of ignorance is stupefying.  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 11:30 AM   #29 
  - No  NMMNG   Nov-16-11 06:38 PM   #72 
  - Why? Oh Why? Maybe it has something to do with free speech and..  MarkCharles   Nov-16-11 12:21 PM   #34 
  - Going up December 11  NMMNG   Nov-16-11 09:36 AM   #13 
  - Putting the Gingrinch's face on the devil would be a nice touch.  HopeHoops   Nov-16-11 09:51 AM   #17 
  - Just thinking the exact same thing. nt  Deep13   Nov-16-11 11:31 PM   #89 
  - K&R - For those who are confused by this expenditure, AA is merely looking for more members.  qb   Nov-16-11 10:08 AM   #19 
  - They want your money, so they insult believers. I wonder how many will fall for it.  Kurmudgeon   Nov-16-11 10:33 AM   #20 
  - Why would atheists need to insult believers when religionists' hypocrisy is their own worst enemy?  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 11:06 AM   #23 
  - How is that an insult?  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 11:23 AM   #25 
  - Oh, and just to get you on record, how many myths do you see?  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 11:25 AM   #26 
  - Looks like you are falling for it right now.  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 11:32 AM   #30 
  - One can only be insulted if one chooses to feel that way. If I were to..  MarkCharles   Nov-16-11 12:18 PM   #32 
  - Because Christians never put up billboards insulting others  NMMNG   Nov-16-11 06:08 PM   #70 
  - Strength in numbers. nt  Deep13   Nov-16-11 11:31 PM   #90 
  - Great billboard, makes one think, unless one claims to ..  MarkCharles   Nov-16-11 12:16 PM   #31 
  - Actually, I'm fairly certain some christians on DU don't consider the use of that term an insult.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 12:27 PM   #38 
     - Well, thanks for your response, and I believe you without citations, because..  MarkCharles   Nov-16-11 12:49 PM   #43 
     - Yeah, that's the reason for the edit in my post.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 12:54 PM   #44 
     - Oh I know for a fact there are Christians, on DU and elsewhere...  trotsky   Nov-16-11 01:02 PM   #47 
        - It's unfortunate that their religion is so badly represented by others in this thread.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 01:44 PM   #55 
  - Need to post a billboard showing famous atheist activists.  humblebum   Nov-16-11 12:24 PM   #37 
  - Never gets old.  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 12:28 PM   #39 
  - Funny, never does the atheist crap either. nt  humblebum   Nov-16-11 12:30 PM   #40 
  - How is the billboard "atheist crap"? n/t  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 12:56 PM   #45 
     - Oh I forgot. We are not allowed to criticize atheism.  humblebum   Nov-16-11 12:59 PM   #46 
        - So you're saying that putting up a billboard is the moral equivalent of murdering people.  Jim Lane   Nov-16-11 01:15 PM   #50 
        - You are the one that made that comparison, not me. NT  humblebum   Nov-16-11 01:40 PM   #52 
           - Um, you might want to look up a couple posts  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 01:44 PM   #54 
              - Um? All inspire hatred, and radical atheism has a stellar record of violence and intolerance. nt  humblebum   Nov-16-11 01:47 PM   #57 
                 - OK...Keep focused.  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 02:03 PM   #62 
                 - So saying that something is a myth is the same as 'inspiring hatred'?  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-11 09:13 AM   #153 
        - Of course you do, probably because your religion thinks its okay to kill non-christians.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 01:27 PM   #51 
        - All exhort intolerance and foster hatred. And to my knowledge the Westboro  humblebum   Nov-16-11 01:44 PM   #56 
           - Did you even read my post? I said your fellow christians at Westboro "murder by proxy".  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 01:51 PM   #58 
              - Um? Your cohorts in the old USSR, China, Tibet, Cambodia, Laos, etc.  humblebum   Nov-16-11 01:57 PM   #60 
                 - You just keep talking, there 'bum, atheists don't have to say a word when you're on a roll.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 02:04 PM   #63 
                    - BMUS for the win!  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 02:25 PM   #65 
                    - Do you see the genius behind those billboards?  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 02:33 PM   #66 
                       - Its fucking brilliant!  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 06:47 PM   #73 
                    - i honestly don't ever recall seeing a KKK or Westboro billboard.  humblebum   Nov-16-11 02:35 PM   #67 
                       - Hey, that's a DIFFERENCE not a similarity. Keep your focus. n/t  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 02:41 PM   #68 
                       - The KKK uses more traditional media, that's true:  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 08:49 PM   #84 
                          - The KKK and Westboro Baptists cannot even begin to compete with the  humblebum   Nov-17-11 05:56 AM   #92 
                             - Focus, focus, focus humblebum  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 08:01 AM   #98 
                                - I would sworn Madeline Murray O'Hare was an American. nt  humblebum   Nov-17-11 10:31 AM   #100 
                                   - OK, awesome, so please give me an example of what Madeline Murray O'Hare  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 10:37 AM   #101 
                                      - I could not care less what you consider to be "general, dog-whistle, statements."  humblebum   Nov-17-11 10:54 AM   #102 
                                         - Translation: "I've got nothing."  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 11:12 AM   #103 
                                            - Translation: bigotry is bigotry. American Atheists have done so publicly for  humblebum   Nov-17-11 11:27 AM   #104 
                                            - Are you saying this billboard is the same?  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 11:34 AM   #105 
                                            - Oh cry me a river! The vast majority of historians believe that  humblebum   Nov-17-11 11:55 AM   #107 
                                            - Wow. So much to say.  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 12:17 PM   #108 
                                            - Are you drunk? "Other than one thing that we already KNOW was a forgery"  humblebum   Nov-17-11 01:01 PM   #109 
                                            - Nice deflection.  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 01:12 PM   #110 
                                            - I am very familiar with Josephus, and do not doubt what it says.  humblebum   Nov-17-11 01:32 PM   #111 
                                            - "huge number of sources that must be debunked."  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 01:39 PM   #112 
                                            - What a joke. Notice that your argument is structured to give  humblebum   Nov-17-11 02:01 PM   #113 
                                            - Name one  dmallind   Nov-17-11 02:08 PM   #114 
                                            - Oh, there were a lot  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 02:12 PM   #116 
                                            - The Bible doesn't count as proof of Jesus being a real person.  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 02:09 PM   #115 
                                            - About as much as Ovid is proof of the gods of Rome surely? nt  dmallind   Nov-17-11 03:59 PM   #117 
                                            - Who is claiming proof? Christians do not claim objective proof, but there certainly is  humblebum   Nov-17-11 04:24 PM   #118 
                                            - I never said that. Don't lie.  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 07:55 PM   #119 
                                            - Uh huh. nt  humblebum   Nov-17-11 08:37 PM   #120 
                                            - Hard to argue with that retort. n/t  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 07:12 AM   #121 
                                            - None of those listed were even ALIVE! NT  dmallind   Nov-18-11 08:39 AM   #122 
                                            - Ya mean they wrote those things when they were dead? Now  humblebum   Nov-18-11 08:48 AM   #123 
                                            - Or, more germanely, long before they were born. Origen was born in 184CE!  dmallind   Nov-18-11 09:26 AM   #126 
                                            - Whoever said he was an eyewitness? Nor was it implied.  humblebum   Nov-18-11 09:50 AM   #127 
                                            - Then why suggest him as a historian who could support JESUS' existence as I asked?  dmallind   Nov-18-11 10:53 AM   #128 
                                            - I am aware of the number of supposedly eyewitness accounts of  humblebum   Nov-18-11 11:21 AM   #130 
                                            - Here's the definition of myth.  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 11:08 AM   #129 
                                            - When Jesus is posted beside Santa Claus, or a tooth fairy, or a pink unicorn,  humblebum   Nov-18-11 11:25 AM   #131 
                                            - Do you have proof they don't? n/t  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 11:49 AM   #132 
                                            - So then, I assume that you do differentiate beween myth and folklore.  humblebum   Nov-18-11 12:06 PM   #133 
                                            - As an English teacher, that's a bad definition.  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 12:24 PM   #134 
                                            - Actually, it is a very well rounded definition, and much more inclusive than  humblebum   Nov-18-11 01:04 PM   #135 
                                            - It's not a good definition. Inclusivity isn't the only standard.  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 01:07 PM   #136 
                                            - I said that it was equivocal, which would indicate a broader usage  humblebum   Nov-18-11 02:00 PM   #138 
                                            - Narrow definitions are generally better  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 02:05 PM   #139 
                                            - The definition says what it says, not necessarily what you intend it to say.  humblebum   Nov-18-11 02:40 PM   #140 
                                            - I'm not talking about the specific definition anymore  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 02:45 PM   #141 
                                            - Take it up with Random House or Webster's or the dreaded OED. And appealing to authority is  humblebum   Nov-18-11 05:40 PM   #143 
                                            - Who's appealing to authority?  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 06:33 PM   #144 
                                            - Yes, trusting a dictionary for the definition of a particular word is indeed a logical fallacy.  humblebum   Nov-18-11 07:25 PM   #145 
                                            - The fallacy is that you trust it just because it is the OED  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 07:49 PM   #146 
                                            - And Websters and Random House, etc. You have not only insulted  humblebum   Nov-18-11 07:52 PM   #147 
                                            - What are you talking about?  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 07:57 PM   #148 
                                            - Yes, its just a pity that the publishers of the Oxford dictionary don't hire "experts"  humblebum   Nov-18-11 09:29 PM   #149 
                                            - Pretty much done with you misstating what I have said  Goblinmonger   Nov-19-11 08:15 AM   #151 
        - When did I say that no criticism is allowed?  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 01:42 PM   #53 
        - What differentiates religion from myth?  PassingFair   Nov-18-11 08:51 AM   #124 
           - That's a very good question. Of course, not all of religion is  MarkCharles   Nov-18-11 02:46 PM   #142 
  - Oh I'm sure he would love to use new material.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 12:32 PM   #41 
  - Those people were CAMPAIGNING for atheism? Only ...  MarkCharles   Nov-16-11 01:06 PM   #48 
  - Well. let's see.  humblebum   Nov-16-11 05:08 PM   #69 
  - LOL @ your calling murderous dictators "atheist activists"...  redqueen   Nov-16-11 01:55 PM   #59 
     - Oh, thats pretty standard rhetoric for humblebum.  cleanhippie   Nov-16-11 06:55 PM   #74 
        - But absolutely true. And the story needs to be told much more often.nt  humblebum   Nov-17-11 05:59 AM   #94 
           - Wow, hard to imagine that you would ever agree that I was right about you!  cleanhippie   Nov-17-11 09:27 AM   #99 
  - I'm OK with this billboard as long as there's no picture of pasta.  Jim Lane   Nov-16-11 01:09 PM   #49 
  - So I guess being insulting is ok if your group does it?  Sal316   Nov-16-11 07:44 PM   #76 
  - Which part offends you?  laconicsax   Nov-16-11 07:48 PM   #77 
  - Calling myths myths is insulting,  NMMNG   Nov-16-11 07:53 PM   #78 
  - Radical atheism getting more popular everyday, yesiree. And I'll bet  humblebum   Nov-16-11 08:23 PM   #79 
  - Still throwing around non-specific claims?  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 08:33 PM   #81 
  - Um? Where did I say they were "worse than Westboro and the KKK?"  humblebum   Nov-16-11 09:16 PM   #85 
     - OK, you're right. Here's your claim.  Goblinmonger   Nov-17-11 07:59 AM   #97 
  - Actually we just just love watching paranoid christians' heads exploding.  beam me up scottie   Nov-16-11 08:34 PM   #82 
  - I think Sal still believes in Santa and is offended by the suggestion that Santa isn't real.  laconicsax   Nov-16-11 11:09 PM   #87 
     - !  trotsky   Nov-17-11 05:57 AM   #93 
  - Perhaps you could explain, Sal...  trotsky   Nov-16-11 08:30 PM   #80 
  - Obviously, the whole thing happened exactly as the Bible says...  laconicsax   Nov-16-11 10:59 PM   #86 
  - Were you put off with the publication  Goblinmonger   Nov-16-11 08:41 PM   #83 
  - I support it and will bitch anyway.  Deep13   Nov-16-11 11:34 PM   #91 
  - Which went up first? Which makes more offensive claims?  dmallind   Nov-17-11 11:51 AM   #106 
  - Excellent...they are all myths of course..nt  and-justice-for-all   Nov-17-11 06:08 AM   #95 
     - There's an ad on TV for Dr. Pepper....  PassingFair   Nov-18-11 08:55 AM   #125 
        - I wish I were better at Photoshop.  Goblinmonger   Nov-18-11 01:08 PM   #137 
           - Ask and ye shall receive  NMMNG   Nov-18-11 10:08 PM   #150 
              - That. Is. Awesome.  Goblinmonger   Nov-19-11 03:21 PM   #152 

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