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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:20 PM
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79. lol
so instead of risking a stumble, better to look down blindly moving forward in whatever direction you happen to be traveling, that's a brilliant way to go.
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  -Art, Math, Science, Engineering, Religion are different fields with different ways of knowing things bananas  Nov-15-11 07:20 AM   #0 
  - The first and last fields you list...  trotsky   Nov-15-11 07:23 AM   #1 
  - Seconded! (NT)  Tesha   Nov-15-11 07:38 AM   #3 
  - Some of those fields have proven more useful than others.  LAGC   Nov-15-11 07:32 AM   #2 
  - 83% for "other" - it isn't as black-and-white as you would like to think.  bananas   Nov-15-11 08:30 AM   #7 
     - FYI, I voted "Other" myself.  LAGC   Nov-15-11 08:53 AM   #8 
        - It's not my false dichotomy  bananas   Nov-15-11 09:12 AM   #11 
           - So THAT'S what this thread is about.  LAGC   Nov-15-11 09:20 AM   #13 
           - Well...  bananas   Nov-15-11 09:36 AM   #15 
              - Fair enough.  LAGC   Nov-15-11 09:39 AM   #17 
              - In other words: Appeal to Popularity ? Do you really think a poll establishes facts?  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 10:27 AM   #21 
                 - I'm just gauging people's perspectives. nt  bananas   Nov-15-11 11:12 AM   #26 
                    - No, you are push-polling, with a biased question and limited options for answers.  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 06:53 PM   #51 
                       - Nope. Limited options? It's a true-false question and I gave four options.  bananas   Nov-21-11 08:33 AM   #82 
                       - 29 votes: 38%-38%-0%-24%  bananas   Nov-22-11 12:03 PM   #88 
           - You could have just produced a single bit of knolwedge that came from some "other way of knowing"  cleanhippie   Nov-15-11 09:39 AM   #16 
              - How did you vote?  bananas   Nov-15-11 10:04 AM   #18 
                 - Oh lookie....more obfuscation.  cleanhippie   Nov-15-11 10:11 AM   #19 
                    - I've been waiting for weeks, it seems, for JUST ONE EXAMPLE!  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 10:29 AM   #22 
                       - Many examples have been given, and the current poll results are 37-37-0-26%  bananas   Nov-22-11 09:33 AM   #84 
                       - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-11 07:23 PM   #94 
                       - Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt! nt  bananas   Nov-22-11 09:42 AM   #85 
                          - Are you talking to yourself?  cleanhippie   Nov-22-11 07:24 PM   #95 
  - Art, Math, Science, Engineering are all related.  RC   Nov-15-11 07:54 AM   #4 
  - There it is  Stuckinthebush   Nov-15-11 08:22 AM   #5 
  - Art is not "what you want it to be"?  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 08:27 AM   #6 
     - Good art can be reduced to numbers.  RC   Nov-15-11 09:11 AM   #10 
        - What kind of numbers?  bananas   Nov-15-11 09:15 AM   #12 
        - Start your education here. "math in art"  RC   Nov-15-11 10:15 AM   #20 
        - What are the numbers for Piss Christ or Jackson Pollock? Both of which I consider to be art, BTW.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 09:25 AM   #14 
        - Platonic realism  tama   Nov-15-11 04:08 PM   #41 
        - Actually, no.  rrneck   Nov-15-11 06:19 PM   #46 
  - How about this view:  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 09:05 AM   #9 
  - Math is actually more the language by which humans communicate  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 10:34 AM   #23 
     - I always thought that was linguistics.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 10:53 AM   #24 
     - Linguistics is the study of languages. Math is a language describing relationships within the  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 11:02 AM   #25 
     - No, "math" as a field generally refers to pure math, which has nothing to do with the physical world  bananas   Nov-15-11 11:19 AM   #27 
     - Oh god, I'd finally managed to block all my memories of ring and group theory...  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 11:24 AM   #29 
     - heh heh heh ... nt!  bananas   Nov-15-11 11:28 AM   #31 
     - I think one might want to talk to a mathematician before one makes such a  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 11:27 AM   #30 
        - rofl. nt  bananas   Nov-15-11 11:28 AM   #32 
     - Math is "a" language, yes.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 11:21 AM   #28 
        - Don't leave out half the wording, or half the meaning of what I stated please.  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 11:35 AM   #34 
           - You originally said it weas "the" language. That may have been a simple misstatement on your part.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 11:42 AM   #36 
              - Yes, THE LANGUAGE by which humans communicate without ambiguity!  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 12:31 PM   #38 
                 - OK, in that case I have to ask  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 12:36 PM   #39 
                    - Hold on, I see where I went off the rails originally.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 12:40 PM   #40 
                       - You are very gracious, and I sometimes use modifiers in sentences in...  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 06:13 PM   #45 
                          - I think my comment below addresses this as well.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 07:45 PM   #53 
     - By many ways.  tama   Nov-15-11 04:18 PM   #42 
     - +1 nt  rrneck   Nov-15-11 06:21 PM   #47 
  - Here's something derived from a "different way of knowing" - not sure if it meets your criteria  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 11:33 AM   #33 
  - Thanks, I was getting hungry, and ..  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 11:38 AM   #35 
  - Too bad, we could have had a nice chat. Enjoy your lunch.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 11:43 AM   #37 
  - What is the meaning of "is"? ;)  tama   Nov-15-11 04:37 PM   #43 
  - I would argue against this universality...  Humanist_Activist   Nov-15-11 06:26 PM   #48 
  - I did say "a *degree* of universality"  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 07:41 PM   #52 
  - quantum mechanics called  qazplm   Nov-17-11 01:22 PM   #61 
     - It's worse than that  GliderGuider   Nov-17-11 01:45 PM   #62 
        - and those concepts also arent as fuzzy  qazplm   Nov-17-11 02:10 PM   #63 
           - Actually, I don't do much sifting any more.  GliderGuider   Nov-17-11 02:56 PM   #64 
              - I have no doubt  qazplm   Nov-17-11 03:21 PM   #65 
                 - You really don't know me very well, do you? nt  GliderGuider   Nov-17-11 03:50 PM   #66 
                    - well if you intend something  qazplm   Nov-17-11 06:51 PM   #68 
                       - No, the plain meaning works fine.  GliderGuider   Nov-17-11 07:01 PM   #69 
                          - the aspect that says  qazplm   Nov-17-11 07:28 PM   #70 
                             - I found that clinging to beliefs was actually hurting me.  GliderGuider   Nov-18-11 06:32 AM   #71 
                                - patronizing and quite frankly silly  qazplm   Nov-18-11 08:20 AM   #72 
                                - You've made personal comfort the metric for truth  Silent3   Nov-20-11 09:50 AM   #75 
                                   - No, I've discarded the notion of using "Truth" as a universal metric for acceptability.  GliderGuider   Nov-20-11 01:03 PM   #76 
                                      - Do you fancy yourself a Bodhisattva? Perhaps a Bodhisattva in training?  Silent3   Nov-20-11 02:15 PM   #77 
                                      - Nothing so exalted. I'm just a guy trying to get through life the best way I can.  GliderGuider   Nov-20-11 02:25 PM   #78 
                                         - lol  qazplm   Nov-20-11 04:20 PM   #79 
                                         - Ain't that the truth!  bananas   Nov-22-11 10:15 AM   #87 
                                      - pretty sure  qazplm   Nov-20-11 04:22 PM   #80 
                                         - Where did I say there was no value in seeking truth?  GliderGuider   Nov-20-11 04:32 PM   #81 
                                            - it feels like  qazplm   Nov-22-11 05:23 PM   #91 
                                               - If that's what you feel, you should trust your feelings.  GliderGuider   Nov-22-11 05:28 PM   #92 
  - Other: push poll.  darkstar3   Nov-15-11 06:00 PM   #44 
  - Be careful. You're assuming boundaries on the word "knowledge" that may not be justified.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 07:46 PM   #54 
  - Be careful yourself, as you assume a fluidity to language that is unwarranted.  darkstar3   Nov-15-11 07:50 PM   #56 
     - Most people seriously underestimate the fluidity of language, especially in colloquial usage  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 07:51 PM   #57 
        - I disagree.  darkstar3   Nov-15-11 07:55 PM   #58 
           - Cool. That's how I see it too.  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 08:01 PM   #60 
  - No, engineering is not "just applied science"  bananas   Nov-18-11 11:44 AM   #73 
     - I have a BSME. Don't tell me my business.  darkstar3   Nov-18-11 01:00 PM   #74 
        - I guess there's not much room for aesthetics in mechanicle engineering  bananas   Nov-22-11 09:44 AM   #86 
           - Actually, it shoots your point in the foot, since math is in no way "a different way of knowing".  darkstar3   Nov-22-11 06:31 PM   #93 
              - Mathematical proofs are qualitatively different from scientific proofs.  bananas   Nov-25-11 03:30 PM   #96 
  - Mind if I fool around with your subject line?  rrneck   Nov-15-11 06:36 PM   #49 
  - Ah. That's better :-)  GliderGuider   Nov-15-11 07:49 PM   #55 
  - Let's go even further than our friend, Darkstar's push poll  MarkCharles   Nov-15-11 06:48 PM   #50 
  - Please see post #49. nt  rrneck   Nov-15-11 07:58 PM   #59 
  - Only science/maths helps you know things.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-17-11 05:46 PM   #67 
  - Science and math often deceive us into believing that we understand something ...  spin   Nov-21-11 12:41 PM   #83 
     - You have no clue  skepticscott   Nov-25-11 03:35 PM   #97 
  - Math, Science, important to Engineering, and usually interrelate... even art and religion to a point  Demstud   Nov-22-11 12:50 PM   #89 
  - Different methodologies, techniques, and disciplines, perhaps, but certainly NOT  MarkCharles   Nov-22-11 02:55 PM   #90 
 

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