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Mon Nov-14-11 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 45. i have noticed that many atheists do have trouble with people thinking freely. |
| -Science as religion |
rug |
Nov-13-11 10:13 AM |
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A calm rational discussion of the topic - a refreshing change. - n/t |
Jim__ |
Nov-13-11 10:52 AM |
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Interesting how believers, theists, followers of a religion, want to |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 11:09 AM |
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I wonder |
rrneck |
Nov-13-11 11:19 AM |
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Why thank you! As a rational human being, I have a "fondness" for |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 03:44 PM |
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"Sticking his nose in the door" |
rrneck |
Nov-13-11 03:54 PM |
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I have a "fondness" for puppies and kittens and full grown cats, and maybe |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 04:27 PM |
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Ah. Another way of knowing. |
rrneck |
Nov-13-11 05:27 PM |
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So figurative language and onomatopoeia is "another way of knowing"? |
Goblinmonger |
Nov-13-11 06:37 PM |
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I know his feelings on the subject. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-13-11 06:39 PM |
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Not sure I even know what that means, but OK. |
Goblinmonger |
Nov-14-11 12:07 PM |
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LOL! Nobody does dawg. |
rrneck |
Nov-14-11 12:29 PM |
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unrec. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-13-11 11:24 AM |
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How is science a religion? That's ridiculous. |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 12:38 PM |
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No, it's not ridiculous. |
bananas |
Nov-13-11 03:56 PM |
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Science relies on facts and alters when new facts come to light |
Warpy |
Nov-13-11 04:03 PM |
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If one has an understanding of the discipline of science, and one did not |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 04:04 PM |
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How silly. Scientism is not science. |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 07:12 PM |
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Yes, it IS in fact ridiculous. Science and religion are opposite in many ways and are incompatible. |
Towlie |
Nov-13-11 11:05 PM |
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No, they're not incompatible. nt |
bananas |
Nov-14-11 12:58 AM |
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Free inquiry vs. divine mandate. Yes, they are incompatible. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-14-11 01:09 AM |
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It's become a religion. |
humblebum |
Nov-13-11 12:41 PM |
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No, it hasn't. Your link demonstrates nothing of the sort. |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 01:38 PM |
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People make religions out of the darndest things. |
bananas |
Nov-13-11 04:03 PM |
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Name one person for whom science has become a religion, |
trotsky |
Nov-13-11 04:08 PM |
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Oh, I'm sure s/he can give a "bunch" of reasons, but s/he will never actually give them. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-13-11 04:40 PM |
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'Science' as such is very rarely treated as a religion. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-14-11 05:33 AM |
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Very few people in the sciences confuse science with religion. |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 07:07 PM |
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I am will int bet that NOT ONE OF THOSE "people in the sciences" thinkers, leaders |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 07:37 PM |
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Prove it. |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 01:58 AM |
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Wait, but don't hold your breath |
NMMNG |
Nov-14-11 02:37 AM |
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Why how kind :) |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 03:00 AM |
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Science itself says "we don't know" a lot. People who use it as religion say "it can't be" a lot |
saras |
Nov-13-11 01:24 PM |
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Religion itself says "God did it" a lot. People who use it to explain |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 01:37 PM |
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Science and religion approach hypotheses from two very different directions. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-13-11 02:44 PM |
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Odd then that the scientific method is used to measure scriptures. |
rug |
Nov-13-11 05:59 PM |
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Sort of makes anything written in the scriptures totally false, unprovable |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 06:44 PM |
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NOMA doesn't work when scriptures make reference to scientifically testable phenomena. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-13-11 06:54 PM |
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Where in scripture does it mention or reference "scientifically testable phenomena?" nt |
humblebum |
Nov-13-11 07:17 PM |
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You cannot possibly be serious. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-13-11 11:09 PM |
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You did not answer my question. The Bible does not make the claim |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 01:31 AM |
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Your question was predicated on a falsehood, namely, that you don't already know the answer. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-14-11 08:13 PM |
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Trying to discredit NOMA is one more example of atheism being |
humblebum |
Nov-13-11 07:20 PM |
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Define "freethinker" |
NMMNG |
Nov-13-11 07:24 PM |
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Um? The ability to think uninhibited and the existence of an environment |
humblebum |
Nov-13-11 07:30 PM |
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Bzzzzt Wrong. |
NMMNG |
Nov-13-11 07:39 PM |
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That seems to fit my definition quite well. |
humblebum |
Nov-13-11 10:54 PM |
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As usual |
NMMNG |
Nov-14-11 12:38 AM |
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i have noticed that many atheists do have trouble with people thinking freely. |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 12:46 AM |
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The word you meant to use was "sloppily". |
darkstar3 |
Nov-14-11 12:53 AM |
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Point proven. My thought processes do not depend on your assessment of them. |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 12:57 AM |
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Oh, you proved a point, but not the one you think. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-14-11 01:08 AM |
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There you go again, telling me what I think. nt |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 01:11 AM |
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There you go again, telling us what we think and redefining atheism to suit your agenda. |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 01:56 AM |
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So then, you are telling me that |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 02:39 AM |
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Fail. I'm telling you that redefining atheism and telling me what I believe and don't is intolerant |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 02:54 AM |
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I believe you were the one that chimed in here. And if you think |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 05:11 AM |
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You are the one who redefined atheism to validate your bias, how does that not affect me? |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 01:43 PM |
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"The lack of religion has no need to "justify its credibility" because it makes no positive claims." |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 02:02 PM |
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Telling us what we believe and calling us liars when we object is not "criticism". |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 02:23 PM |
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You might want to stop considering every bit of criticism as bigotry. Otherwise |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 04:44 PM |
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"radical and organized atheism" only exists in the minds of paranoid religionists. |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 05:00 PM |
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And on TV, radio, newspapers, internet, on the street, in the history books, |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 07:29 PM |
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SQUIRREL!!! |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 08:08 PM |
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And the truth comes out. nt |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 08:12 PM |
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Deal with it. Private lives are none of your or your religion's business. |
darkstar3 |
Nov-14-11 08:14 PM |
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Ya mean like when Dawkins signed the petition to make it illegal |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 08:25 PM |
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So you think Richard Dawkins = "radical and organized atheism" |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 08:44 PM |
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Well considering he is more radical than some and less than others, |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 08:57 PM |
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Oh noes! The "new" atheist movement! |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 09:01 PM |
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Yep-eventually religionists won't be able to force the rest of us to live according to their beliefs |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 08:35 PM |
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Sorry. The world has seen how that works in reality before. And it wasn't religion |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 08:39 PM |
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That's right, it wasn't religion, it was religionists. And they're still doing it. |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 08:58 PM |
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Are you foaming at the mouth yet? BTW, still waiting to see where i called |
humblebum |
Nov-14-11 09:13 PM |
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But he can't be engaging in religious bigotry |
NMMNG |
Nov-14-11 02:46 AM |
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I love how he keeps pulling this stuff out of |
beam me up scottie |
Nov-14-11 02:55 AM |
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And what a mighty rift it is n/t |
NMMNG |
Nov-14-11 03:02 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-13-11 07:46 PM |
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Is it so used? Perhaps you'd show me some referenced to people |
MineralMan |
Nov-13-11 07:09 PM |
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Good article, thanks. nt |
bananas |
Nov-13-11 04:03 PM |
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Actually that is a very sloppy, illogical, and irrational article, that |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 05:03 PM |
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I don't think it was sloppy. No unecessary capitalizations for one thing. |
rug |
Nov-13-11 06:01 PM |
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If you cannot distinguish logic and rational thought from |
MarkCharles |
Nov-13-11 06:40 PM |
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Actually I do find mischaracterization to be sloppy. Maddeningly so. |
rug |
Nov-13-11 06:48 PM |
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It's just that religions get their asses handed to them so often.... |
Iggo |
Nov-14-11 12:28 PM |
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It's a difficult topic. IME people on both sides of the divide conflate science and scientism. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-14-11 02:46 PM |
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It seems to me that |
rrneck |
Nov-14-11 07:00 PM |
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Religion as Plumbing Grease |
Taverner |
Nov-14-11 05:03 PM |
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Ah, but then who is the plumber? And who is the plugged toilet? |
GliderGuider |
Nov-14-11 05:34 PM |
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Ice cream has no bones |
Taverner |
Nov-14-11 05:36 PM |
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:-) nt |
GliderGuider |
Nov-14-11 05:39 PM |
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