| 121. Having a particularly good memory isn't a different way of knowing |
| -Can anyone provide even a single example of any knowledge gained by some "other way of knowing?" |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 07:00 PM |
#0 |
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I know this |
chaplainM |
Nov-08-11 07:06 PM |
#1 |
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You know, you just might win the thread with that one. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 09:29 PM |
#32 |
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Yes, it's a story I told here before. |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 07:08 PM |
#2 |
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And what was the "knowledge" that you gained |
skepticscott |
Nov-08-11 07:21 PM |
#5 |
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Well, now you're shifting the standards. |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 07:32 PM |
#7 |
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Well, do you think that anything |
skepticscott |
Nov-08-11 09:20 PM |
#31 |
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I don't see how that is "another way of knowing"... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:02 PM |
#8 |
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Well, then I guess I don't know what the OP means... |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 08:10 PM |
#10 |
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I think the OP is talking about something outside of empirical evidence... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:15 PM |
#11 |
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Well, there was nothing empirical about this. |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 08:20 PM |
#14 |
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"I have no way of knowing" that is precisely the point... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:23 PM |
#16 |
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"I have no way of knowing". I think you just answered your question. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 09:32 PM |
#34 |
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No you actually didn't KNOW anything, you acted upon clues that registered with.. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-08-11 08:10 PM |
#9 |
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I did not think he was there to rob THAT store. |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 08:16 PM |
#12 |
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"we do not perceive everything sceintifically", of course not... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:27 PM |
#19 |
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Logic has to be conscious. It is a rational process. nt |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 08:31 PM |
#20 |
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Hence my use of "rudimentary"... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:50 PM |
#24 |
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Here's a book you might find interesting. |
rrneck |
Nov-08-11 08:34 PM |
#22 |
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I'd call it gut feelings. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-15-11 12:15 AM |
#171 |
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There was also nothing totally objective about the process, |
humblebum |
Nov-08-11 08:20 PM |
#15 |
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Hence the reason why it wasn't knowledge gained... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:24 PM |
#17 |
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We're defining knowledge differently. |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-11 08:34 PM |
#21 |
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Ehh, perhaps you should read my OP on this to get my perspective. n/t |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-08-11 08:51 PM |
#26 |
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Except that you haven't provided your definition |
skepticscott |
Nov-10-11 05:39 AM |
#54 |
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Totally different than the process of Logical Empiricism/ Scientific Method |
humblebum |
Nov-08-11 09:04 PM |
#29 |
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Get your understanding of science right. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-10-11 07:46 PM |
#116 |
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Why would one make a hypothisis? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 10:10 AM |
#129 |
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So what knowledge did you gain? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 09:31 PM |
#33 |
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Supposedly, humans react the same way to the presence of a psychopath |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-09-11 07:43 AM |
#43 |
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I've SEEN that guy... |
PassingFair |
Nov-10-11 10:47 AM |
#59 |
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That sounds like instinctive, unconscious reactions we have to body language. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-10-11 07:39 PM |
#115 |
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Yes |
humblebum |
Nov-08-11 07:14 PM |
#3 |
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In other words |
skepticscott |
Nov-08-11 07:17 PM |
#4 |
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No |
humblebum |
Nov-08-11 07:24 PM |
#6 |
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Exactly. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 09:35 PM |
#36 |
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Define "other way of knowing". |
kwassa |
Nov-08-11 08:17 PM |
#13 |
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No one knows. |
laconicsax |
Nov-08-11 08:25 PM |
#18 |
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Intuition was one, and some claimed it not other. |
kwassa |
Nov-08-11 08:44 PM |
#23 |
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There are posters who claim other ways of knowing. |
laconicsax |
Nov-08-11 08:51 PM |
#25 |
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I have other ways of knowing. |
kwassa |
Nov-08-11 09:00 PM |
#27 |
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In other words, you have nothing. n/t |
laconicsax |
Nov-08-11 09:03 PM |
#28 |
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oh no, I have everything. |
kwassa |
Nov-08-11 09:17 PM |
#30 |
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The prayer without ceasing? |
laconicsax |
Nov-08-11 09:44 PM |
#37 |
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"where you see contradiction, I see confrmation." |
cleanhippie |
Nov-09-11 10:30 AM |
#47 |
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Of course. |
laconicsax |
Nov-09-11 06:27 PM |
#51 |
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If you have other ways of knowing, then surely you can provide us with the knowledge you gained? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-08-11 09:35 PM |
#35 |
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yes |
Angry Dragon |
Nov-08-11 11:00 PM |
#38 |
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Sure. I've learned a lot about people and relationships from literature. - n/t |
Jim__ |
Nov-09-11 05:44 AM |
#39 |
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Fiction or non-fiction? |
LAGC |
Nov-09-11 06:50 AM |
#40 |
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I'm talking about fiction. |
Jim__ |
Nov-09-11 08:13 AM |
#44 |
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When the Moon Hits Your Eye Like a Big Pizza Pie, That's Amore'. nt |
bananas |
Nov-09-11 07:33 AM |
#41 |
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Other than what? |
bananas |
Nov-09-11 07:34 AM |
#42 |
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In the words of Carl Sagan: |
MarkCharles |
Nov-09-11 08:26 AM |
#45 |
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+10000 for the Sagan link |
Taverner |
Nov-10-11 06:29 PM |
#110 |
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Out of interest, what would you accept? |
Nihil |
Nov-09-11 08:39 AM |
#46 |
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Post it and we will let general concensus decide. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-09-11 10:31 AM |
#48 |
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When you say to someone |
rrneck |
Nov-09-11 10:58 AM |
#49 |
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Dolphins, Whales, and Bats KNOW a World... |
bvar22 |
Nov-09-11 03:55 PM |
#50 |
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You are just illustrating the imprecise nature of the English language... |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-09-11 11:20 PM |
#52 |
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And you are attempting to change the meaning of the word "knowledge" |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 02:38 AM |
#53 |
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So answer the same question I posed above |
skepticscott |
Nov-10-11 05:52 AM |
#55 |
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After everything that has been presented in this thread and |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 09:44 AM |
#57 |
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No you haven't answered the question from your perspective. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:31 PM |
#83 |
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Yes or no |
skepticscott |
Nov-10-11 05:39 PM |
#105 |
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I think we both know that you will NEVER get an answer to that question. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-10-11 06:29 PM |
#111 |
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Yes or no? |
skepticscott |
Nov-11-11 05:23 AM |
#125 |
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Still pinned on this aren't you? |
skepticscott |
Nov-11-11 07:13 PM |
#134 |
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"Knowledge is a much broader term than you are willing to admit" |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:25 PM |
#82 |
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Acquired from where? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 10:59 AM |
#61 |
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From interacting with the world around us. n/t |
Humanist_Activist |
Nov-10-11 02:24 PM |
#91 |
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Interaction assumes |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 10:13 AM |
#130 |
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A TED Talk - Daniel Tammet: Different ways of knowing |
Jim__ |
Nov-10-11 07:01 AM |
#56 |
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Very interesting, but... According to the description on the web site:... |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 10:22 AM |
#58 |
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True |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 10:55 AM |
#60 |
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So far, not really, but the effects of anyone's imagining CAN be! |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 11:08 AM |
#63 |
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Yes you can quantify the results. |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 11:14 AM |
#64 |
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the results of Thomas Edison's imagination can quantified, etc. nt |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 11:40 AM |
#71 |
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Yes, the results can be quantified. |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 11:56 AM |
#74 |
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To my knowledge, no. But that does not negate the existence |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 12:14 PM |
#75 |
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Absolutely. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 12:15 PM |
#76 |
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Thomas Edison's imagination didn't have "other ways of knowing", Edison spent |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:20 PM |
#81 |
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I never said he did. the existence of other ways of knowing has been |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 01:34 PM |
#85 |
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"the existence of other ways of knowing has been clearly demonstrated here." |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:58 PM |
#88 |
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Can anyone read your mind? Not yet! But don't think too much, it might.. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 02:53 PM |
#94 |
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You still haven't answered the question. |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 03:36 PM |
#97 |
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You seem to equate any facet of the "interior lives of human beings" with the word.. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 03:48 PM |
#100 |
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It's knowledge if you know about it. |
rrneck |
Nov-10-11 05:22 PM |
#103 |
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By that definition of yours, astrology, phrenology, numerology are all |
MarkCharles |
Nov-11-11 10:25 AM |
#131 |
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Yes. I consider it knowledge. |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 02:23 PM |
#132 |
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Now that is one of the most illogical statements I have yet to see. |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 11:32 AM |
#67 |
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I 'claimed that I didn't think that I could be taught anything that I hadn't already learned? |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:14 PM |
#80 |
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Your words: |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 01:31 PM |
#84 |
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I am not talking there about "knowledge" that I am ignorant of, (of which there is a lot!) |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:40 PM |
#86 |
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Your words, not mine. And many of the things I have been saying |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 01:53 PM |
#87 |
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Very true....I agree with you for once about this:....... |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 02:09 PM |
#89 |
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I use Logical Positivism because it is the basis of the Scientific Method |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 02:24 PM |
#92 |
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I'm sorry, but "Logical Positivism" is NOT the "basis", not even close |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 02:43 PM |
#93 |
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Escuse me but I think you are confusing positivism with Logical Positivism |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 04:07 PM |
#101 |
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clearly your knowledge of knowledge is very incomplete and no, it |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 11:02 AM |
#62 |
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You know, bum, I have recently come to really appreciate your posts. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-10-11 11:27 AM |
#65 |
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I was wondering why you called him that name, but I guess it's his .. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 11:32 AM |
#68 |
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Well, I see I've awoken a sleeping giant of philosophy of science once again! |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 11:31 AM |
#66 |
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I respect your way and have tried your way, but found it to be far |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 11:37 AM |
#70 |
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"MY" way, I don't own! It's really NOT MINE at all, it's the way in which most |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 11:54 AM |
#72 |
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"21st century science, COMMERCE, and healthy interpersonal interactions are conducted." |
humblebum |
Nov-10-11 12:19 PM |
#77 |
| -
Oh dear, now you're off on the "accusation" for all the ills of our economy because |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 12:48 PM |
#78 |
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Just another made-up story by you |
skepticscott |
Nov-10-11 08:29 PM |
#119 |
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Still no answer I see |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 07:21 AM |
#137 |
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STILL waiting for you evidence |
skepticscott |
Nov-13-11 07:12 AM |
#161 |
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I gained new knowledge watching the video. |
Jim__ |
Nov-10-11 11:35 AM |
#69 |
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I'll grant you ONE POINT, you "learned" something about how.. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 01:10 PM |
#79 |
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I'm autistic, too, and I "see the world" differently than most people... |
Odin2005 |
Nov-10-11 07:49 PM |
#117 |
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Tammet is a savant. He has recited pi to over 22,000 digits from memory. |
Jim__ |
Nov-10-11 09:18 PM |
#120 |
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Having a particularly good memory isn't a different way of knowing |
NMMNG |
Nov-10-11 09:21 PM |
#121 |
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That's more than a "good" memory. |
Jim__ |
Nov-10-11 09:23 PM |
#122 |
| -
It's still not "another way of knowing" |
NMMNG |
Nov-10-11 09:25 PM |
#123 |
| -
Did you watch the video? Did you see how he processes numbers? |
Jim__ |
Nov-11-11 05:42 AM |
#126 |
| -
An interesting thing happened to me once.. |
AsahinaKimi |
Nov-10-11 11:55 AM |
#73 |
| -
It's "Provincetown" not Providence town, but here's the question |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 02:23 PM |
#90 |
| -
Except as I said... |
AsahinaKimi |
Nov-10-11 02:57 PM |
#95 |
| -
Several logical fallacies in this last post. |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 03:21 PM |
#96 |
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It was definately P town .. |
AsahinaKimi |
Nov-10-11 03:37 PM |
#98 |
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Provincetown many times, Tahiti, never! Consider yourself very lucky |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 03:43 PM |
#99 |
| -
Thanks, doumo arigatou |
AsahinaKimi |
Nov-10-11 05:26 PM |
#104 |
| -
You are so right about this. |
kwassa |
Nov-10-11 06:42 PM |
#114 |
| -
I have a completely closed mind on a particular subject. |
bvar22 |
Nov-10-11 04:18 PM |
#102 |
| -
The contra-positive, seldom a logical argument, |
MarkCharles |
Nov-10-11 06:21 PM |
#107 |
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Can anyone provide even a single example of any evidence by some "other way of knowing?" |
Taverner |
Nov-10-11 06:07 PM |
#106 |
| -
How do you know the DNA test is not a dream? nt |
LARED |
Nov-10-11 06:27 PM |
#108 |
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Because I cannot wake from the DNA test |
Taverner |
Nov-10-11 06:28 PM |
#109 |
| -
But you can awake from a dream that you took a DNA test. nt |
LARED |
Nov-10-11 06:32 PM |
#112 |
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You can. So take a moment, when dealing with reality, to ask yourself this question. |
Taverner |
Nov-10-11 06:33 PM |
#113 |
| -
Here, let DeeHack Chopra explain it... |
onager |
Nov-10-11 08:21 PM |
#118 |
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What in the fuck is he talking about? nt |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 12:24 AM |
#124 |
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Consciousness and the need for a method to study it. |
Jim__ |
Nov-12-11 10:03 AM |
#138 |
| -
Ah. I'll have amother look first chance I get. nt |
rrneck |
Nov-12-11 10:17 AM |
#139 |
| -
I'm not sure that was it |
Meshuga |
Nov-12-11 10:52 AM |
#140 |
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You are repeating question, but not the very specific context that she put it in. |
Jim__ |
Nov-12-11 11:29 AM |
#141 |
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"Directly onto her question?" |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 01:16 PM |
#142 |
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It does NOT! It's a non-answer answer. It also flails around with some unique |
MarkCharles |
Nov-12-11 01:25 PM |
# |
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It does NOT! It's a non-answer answer. It also flails around with som |
MarkCharles |
Nov-12-11 01:25 PM |
#144 |
| -
You do an excellent job of describing one way of knowing, but |
humblebum |
Nov-12-11 02:29 PM |
#146 |
| -
Still waiting for you to provide evidence |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 02:58 PM |
#147 |
| -
Still waiting for your answer to the question |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 03:00 PM |
#148 |
| -
"what do you consider things that are perceived, but do not qualify as knowledge?" |
humblebum |
Nov-12-11 03:26 PM |
#153 |
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Oh, and STILL waiting |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 03:04 PM |
#149 |
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You don't even have a leg to stand on, Bubba. The answer to |
humblebum |
Nov-12-11 03:07 PM |
#150 |
| -
Sorry, your old dodge of |
skepticscott |
Nov-12-11 04:01 PM |
#154 |
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You don't have a clue of what you are talking about, and the concept |
humblebum |
Nov-12-11 06:00 PM |
#155 |
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You will notice when humblebum starts to use the condescending terms like "bubba", he has lost... |
cleanhippie |
Nov-12-11 06:14 PM |
#156 |
| -
Why would you call "bubba" a condescending term? it's not meant |
humblebum |
Nov-12-11 07:29 PM |
#157 |
| -
Yeah, sure it is. |
cleanhippie |
Nov-12-11 07:41 PM |
#158 |
| -
The answer is... |
Meshuga |
Nov-12-11 02:15 PM |
#145 |
| -
And your post #145 has nothing to do with his response to the question. |
Jim__ |
Nov-12-11 03:10 PM |
#152 |
| -
Oh yes it does |
Meshuga |
Nov-12-11 08:59 PM |
#160 |
| -
If not rambling then just a bunch of meaningless fluff |
Meshuga |
Nov-12-11 01:23 PM |
#143 |
| -
No, it's not meaningless fluff at all. |
Jim__ |
Nov-12-11 03:08 PM |
#151 |
| -
Fluff galore |
Meshuga |
Nov-12-11 08:57 PM |
#159 |
| -
Too late. You already documented your objections in your post #140. |
Jim__ |
Nov-13-11 07:52 AM |
#162 |
| -
Too late? His answer is still rambling bullshit no matter what you say |
Meshuga |
Nov-13-11 10:47 AM |
#163 |
| -
I don't subscribe to Chopra's worldview, yet I find his answer is both coherent and sensible. |
Jim__ |
Nov-13-11 12:35 PM |
#164 |
| -
Oy vey! |
Meshuga |
Nov-13-11 04:19 PM |
#165 |
| -
I haven't referred to people as idiots nor have I referred to any statements as rambling bullshit. |
Jim__ |
Nov-14-11 06:32 AM |
#166 |
| -
Ironically you are the one making this conversation about me |
Meshuga |
Nov-14-11 10:15 AM |
#167 |
| -
Apologists? Do you even have a clue as to what you're talking about? |
Jim__ |
Nov-14-11 10:38 AM |
#168 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-14-11 09:02 PM |
#169 |
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Exactly |
Meshuga |
Nov-14-11 10:20 PM |
#170 |
| -
Knowledge is something you acquire through study |
Meshuga |
Nov-11-11 10:04 AM |
#127 |
| -
How would one gain knowledge of oneself? |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 10:07 AM |
#128 |
| -
Through self-observation and reason n/t |
Meshuga |
Nov-11-11 07:17 PM |
#135 |
| -
That makes sense |
rrneck |
Nov-11-11 08:09 PM |
#136 |
| -
Here you go. |
westerebus |
Nov-11-11 05:07 PM |
#133 |
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