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131. Maybe you could show the diagnostic criteria that talk about love and hate as knowledge.
Mental disorders fascinate me.
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  -Different ways of knowing? cleanhippie  Nov-05-11 11:41 AM   #0 
  - Different ways of knowing.  Jim__   Nov-05-11 12:58 PM   #1 
  - *yawn*  trotsky   Nov-05-11 01:01 PM   #2 
  - C'mon, cleanhippie. We know from discussions right here in R/T that two of them are hearsay....  laconicsax   Nov-05-11 01:27 PM   #3 
  - Imagination and fantasy are powerful personal experiences, but they certainly cannot...  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 01:58 PM   #4 
  - There is no knowledge but science and cleanhippie is its prophet.  rug   Nov-05-11 02:04 PM   #5 
  - Well, call it  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 05:10 PM   #8 
     - Except the claim is science is the only means to knowledge.  rug   Nov-05-11 06:20 PM   #9 
        - Anyone questioning that such is true probably has no concept of what science is...  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 06:37 PM   #10 
        - You have it backwards.  rug   Nov-05-11 06:43 PM   #11 
           - I'm sorry your post makes no sense  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:11 PM   #12 
              - " Science and fantasy, do not mix."  NMMNG   Nov-05-11 07:23 PM   #15 
              - OOOPS, Pardon me, N2d2!!!!  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:50 PM   #23 
              - I stopped reading after "infinite possibilities of the human mind."  rug   Nov-05-11 07:39 PM   #18 
                 - Well of course you did, you had yourself limited possibilities to only 2!  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:52 PM   #24 
                    - You left out another possibilty.  rug   Nov-05-11 07:56 PM   #27 
                    - Another totally insulting post for me to complain about. Meaningless, and  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 08:11 PM   #34 
                       - Lay off?  rug   Nov-05-11 08:15 PM   #36 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-11 11:15 AM   #77 
        - When stated as I have done  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 07:37 PM   #17 
           - Your qualifier of yet leaves open "other ways of knowing".  rug   Nov-05-11 07:40 PM   #19 
           - And this is a blinding revelation to you?  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 07:47 PM   #22 
              - Not to me.  rug   Nov-05-11 07:52 PM   #25 
                 - And you have been enlightened beyond that  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 07:57 PM   #29 
                    - Sure,  rug   Nov-05-11 08:03 PM   #30 
                       - Revelation is a way  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 08:13 PM   #35 
           - Hope you're not holding your breath waiting, this is the challenge they never..  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:55 PM   #26 
  - IMO too many people mistake intuition for knowledge.  Odin2005   Nov-05-11 02:10 PM   #6 
  - Intuition is a type of knowledge  kwassa   Nov-05-11 07:25 PM   #16 
     - In other words  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 07:43 PM   #21 
     - Here is the definition of knowledge.  kwassa   Nov-05-11 08:26 PM   #38 
        - Well, no it doesn't  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 09:10 PM   #41 
           - Yes, it does. Acquistion through experience.  kwassa   Nov-05-11 09:17 PM   #42 
              - Nice try, but fail  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 10:11 PM   #44 
                 - Who declares fail? You?  kwassa   Nov-05-11 10:21 PM   #46 
                    - Meaningless babble  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 10:31 PM   #49 
                       - not to a rational person.  kwassa   Nov-05-11 10:34 PM   #50 
                          - Does Jesus like it when you insult people...  trotsky   Nov-06-11 08:12 AM   #61 
                          - Jesus likes it when I insult you. He told me so.  kwassa   Nov-06-11 09:23 PM   #120 
                             - Aw, kwassa. I can always count on you to show me what a True Christian is like.  trotsky   Nov-07-11 06:11 AM   #121 
                             - Hang in there kwassa, you are only telling the truth. Intuition is  humblebum   Nov-07-11 08:47 AM   #122 
                                - " Intuition is a way of obtaining knowledge, even weak or failed intuition."  MarkCharles   Nov-10-11 04:52 PM   #126 
                          - And do you have any documentation  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 03:29 PM   #102 
     - Intuitions themselves have no information content.  Odin2005   Nov-05-11 08:16 PM   #37 
     - You are totally incorrect  kwassa   Nov-05-11 08:39 PM   #39 
        - If you're including  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 10:20 PM   #45 
           - you are grasping at non-existent straws  kwassa   Nov-05-11 10:30 PM   #48 
              - And how often is it not?  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 05:20 AM   #56 
     - Except when it came to how best to treat his cancer...  Silent3   Nov-06-11 07:24 AM   #59 
        - Very low. No one is claiming that intuition or any method other than  humblebum   Nov-06-11 07:43 AM   #60 
        - Give examples of these "other ways of knowing" and what knowledge we have gotten. Can You?  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 08:47 AM   #65 
        - I never said anything about "objective".  Silent3   Nov-06-11 09:09 AM   #66 
        - I suspect if you looked at all of Jobs'  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 03:34 PM   #103 
  - You're being unfair  NMMNG   Nov-05-11 04:48 PM   #7 
  - MY voices keep saying.. "clean me" .. "clean me"!!! I ignore them!  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:15 PM   #13 
     - LOL  NMMNG   Nov-05-11 07:19 PM   #14 
     - Probably both..........actually, it's the spills and drips that have been there for  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 07:57 PM   #28 
     - You should listen to them.  rug   Nov-05-11 07:41 PM   #20 
        - I should listen to voices in my refrigerator? Voices that come from my own..  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 08:03 PM   #31 
           - Whatever it takes to get you to clean it.  rug   Nov-05-11 08:05 PM   #32 
              - I don't need "whatever it takes", nor does my refrigerator.....  MarkCharles   Nov-05-11 08:08 PM   #33 
  - As soon as an atheist admits that other ways of knowing do exist,  humblebum   Nov-05-11 08:39 PM   #40 
  - Agreed.  kwassa   Nov-05-11 09:19 PM   #43 
  - If it is "obvious to many that they do exist  skepticscott   Nov-05-11 10:27 PM   #47 
  - Same old line, and same old accusations. And, you are fine example  humblebum   Nov-05-11 10:53 PM   #51 
  - Fine, then you'll have no trouble repeating them here  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 05:16 AM   #55 
     - Now you are being totally dishonest about anything that I've said.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 06:23 AM   #57 
        - That is SOME squirm you have going there.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 12:31 PM   #85 
        - In other words, you can't provide any examples  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 03:39 PM   #106 
  - I hope you are not writing this on your IPad.  kwassa   Nov-05-11 11:01 PM   #52 
     - Great example. nt  humblebum   Nov-05-11 11:27 PM   #53 
     - If you go by the very quote you cite  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 05:01 AM   #54 
     - You are just kinda "out there", aren't you? Not really being  humblebum   Nov-06-11 06:36 AM   #58 
        - OK, I'll ask, (assuming I am as unable to "grasp", as you accuse atheists of being)...  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 08:31 AM   #63 
        - Oh great. Now your infallible method has become circular reasoning.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 09:11 AM   #67 
           - A pretty good attempt to avoid answering the question, but  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 09:19 AM   #68 
              - Actually it answered the question perfectly. nt  humblebum   Nov-06-11 09:23 AM   #69 
              - You have it exactly right. Humblebum will NEVER provide a single example. EVER.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 09:26 AM   #70 
                 - Wrong. I just don't provide answers you can understand, like  humblebum   Nov-06-11 09:34 AM   #71 
                 - Just one example is all that being asked for, and you cannot do it.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 09:42 AM   #72 
                    - Cleanhippie, you just don't understand, you're not old enough, smart enough, or  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 09:56 AM   #75 
                    - Hippie, this is beginning to go from comical to hilarious. You asked me  humblebum   Nov-06-11 12:01 PM   #79 
                       - You're right. In the example of the historian that you give, he could do archival research.  Jim__   Nov-06-11 12:26 PM   #82 
                       - I asked you for any knowledge gained though some "other way of knowing", and you have provided ZIP!  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 12:28 PM   #83 
                       - Why is that I expected that answer? From this point on all  humblebum   Nov-06-11 12:33 PM   #86 
                          - Just one, humblebum. Just one. And. You. Can't. Do. It.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 12:40 PM   #87 
                             - Don't look now. But I did it and have done. I can't be to blame if  humblebum   Nov-06-11 12:52 PM   #88 
                                - Just one example. And you can't do it.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 01:03 PM   #89 
                                - You consider knowledge of the existence of Socrates...  Silent3   Nov-06-11 02:28 PM   #91 
                                   - Facts are what they are. Science or to more precise logical empiricism  humblebum   Nov-06-11 02:40 PM   #92 
                                      - Historical documents are a form of empirical evidence  Silent3   Nov-06-11 03:42 PM   #108 
                       - You seem to be confusing "CONCEPTS" with the request for "EXAMPLES"  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 02:43 PM   #93 
                          - I have given examples of concepts, concepts, examples, and examples of examples.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 02:53 PM   #94 
                             - Not even ONE example?? Just concepts, sorry... I listed my darn microwave oven!...  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 04:14 PM   #112 
                                - You should begin to discern another pattern here  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 04:24 PM   #113 
                                - Ah yes, it's in "heaven" where he puts his great ideas, and we should  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 06:53 PM   #116 
                                - Let's see.You have been here since October 31st and yet you claim  humblebum   Nov-06-11 07:17 PM   #118 
                 - Beginning to see a pattern here, (unable to "grasp" as I am), a pattern of  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 09:50 AM   #73 
                 - He will keep swinging as long as you keep pitching...  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 09:54 AM   #74 
                 - Thanks! How about a game of catch, between two guys who cannot "grasp"  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 09:59 AM   #76 
                 - Oh great. Tag team atheism again. nt  humblebum   Nov-06-11 12:03 PM   #80 
                    - Just. One. Example.  cleanhippie   Nov-06-11 12:29 PM   #84 
                    - Playing catch? American past-time, not exactly professional wrestling  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 04:46 PM   #114 
                 - Humblebum is highly trained  EvolveOrConvolve   Nov-12-11 01:49 AM   #157 
        - And again, you have no arguments  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 03:26 PM   #101 
     - Why, are you using your Lisa? n/t  trotsky   Nov-06-11 08:21 AM   #62 
        - Great point! Jobs' "intuition" had some amazing strike-outs in his career of  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 08:36 AM   #64 
  - What knowledge has been gained through these other methods? nt  ZombieHorde   Nov-06-11 03:41 PM   #107 
  - No Other-Wayers have trotted out Leo Szilard yet?  onager   Nov-06-11 11:42 AM   #78 
  - And your point is? He was an intelligent man who understood  humblebum   Nov-06-11 12:08 PM   #81 
     - Ideas, imagination, dreams, fantasies, random juxtapositions of thoughts,  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 02:27 PM   #90 
     - Looks like you got a little anti-christian thing goin' on there that  humblebum   Nov-06-11 02:56 PM   #95 
        - More than one, but no concrete examples, just your own statements  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:03 PM   #96 
        - I never said you mentioned epistemology, but that is exactly what other ways of knowing involves.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 03:13 PM   #98 
           - But, once again, you never mentioned, "epistemology"..  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:22 PM   #100 
              - Now that's a good one.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 08:09 PM   #119 
        - How should a person figure out which epistemologies are viable, and which ones are not viable?  ZombieHorde   Nov-06-11 03:36 PM   #105 
           - Well, the word actually means the STUDY of the concepts of Knowledge, not the  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:51 PM   #110 
     - Let me get this straight, Pope so-and-so condemned a scientist, and you claim this as  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:05 PM   #97 
     - Yeh, Uh huh. Whatever makes you happy.  humblebum   Nov-06-11 03:20 PM   #99 
        - Nothing you say bothers me. I sometimes laugh out loud when I read what...  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:35 PM   #104 
           - Welcome to DU!  skepticscott   Nov-06-11 03:46 PM   #109 
           - Thank you for your welcome. I have been admiring many of your ...  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 03:55 PM   #111 
           - First of all, I commend you for being so logical. You must also  humblebum   Nov-06-11 06:38 PM   #115 
              - So, what you're saying is that YOUR bridge didn't collapse so therefore  MarkCharles   Nov-06-11 07:00 PM   #117 
     - Incredibly bizarre response, even from you.  onager   Nov-10-11 08:15 PM   #134 
  - From the title (and this being the religion and theology forum)...  Meshuga   Nov-07-11 08:17 PM   #123 
  - Nicomachean Ethics  tama   Nov-10-11 04:38 PM   #124 
  - Using the scientific method only, demonstrate how you know you love someone.  rug   Nov-10-11 04:51 PM   #125 
  - A first grader asks Einstein to prove the theory of relativity.  MarkCharles   Nov-10-11 06:44 PM   #127 
     - Love and hate are not knowledge? That's one of the critera for psychopathy.  rug   Nov-10-11 07:11 PM   #128 
        - It's anti-social disorder, not psychopathy.  laconicsax   Nov-10-11 07:15 PM   #129 
        - I prefer the older term. Still, if the shoe fits . . .  rug   Nov-10-11 07:20 PM   #130 
           - Maybe you could show the diagnostic criteria that talk about love and hate as knowledge.  laconicsax   Nov-10-11 07:30 PM   #131 
              - Apparently, hate is more rational...  onager   Nov-10-11 08:08 PM   #133 
              - In this case, it's the absence of that knowledge.  rug   Nov-10-11 08:22 PM   #135 
                 - So, based on your ad-hoc definitions, it's psychopathy.  laconicsax   Nov-10-11 09:06 PM   #141 
                    - No it's not.  rug   Nov-11-11 07:54 AM   #144 
                       - Show me something that supports your thesis and I'll use my eyes. n/t  laconicsax   Nov-11-11 11:12 AM   #145 
                          - I did. And you still haven't answered the question.  rug   Nov-11-11 12:08 PM   #147 
                             - No, you showed me something which made no mention of love or hate as a type of knowledge...  laconicsax   Nov-11-11 04:04 PM   #150 
                                - The lack of empathy as a symptom and criterion for a mental disorder, are not knowledge.  rug   Nov-11-11 06:37 PM   #151 
                                   - Lack of empathy is not the same as not regarding love as knowledge.  laconicsax   Nov-11-11 07:32 PM   #152 
                                      - What do you think pathos means?  rug   Nov-11-11 08:21 PM   #153 
                                         - So, based on your ad hoc definitions, it's psychopathy. n/t  laconicsax   Nov-11-11 09:05 PM   #154 
                                            - Wrong again.  rug   Nov-11-11 09:15 PM   #155 
                                               - You're conflating and changing definitions to fit your argument.  laconicsax   Nov-11-11 09:37 PM   #156 
        - O'rlly?  NMMNG   Nov-10-11 07:39 PM   #132 
           - That is not the only personality disorder.  rug   Nov-10-11 08:23 PM   #136 
              - You're the one who specified "psychopathy"  NMMNG   Nov-10-11 08:30 PM   #137 
                 - Actually, I was talking about proving love and hate through the scientific method.  rug   Nov-10-11 08:35 PM   #138 
                    - Brain scans, biochemical reactions  NMMNG   Nov-10-11 08:51 PM   #139 
                       - Love and hate can be explained through brain scans.  rug   Nov-10-11 08:54 PM   #140 
                          - So can aphasia. Is aphasia knowledge?  laconicsax   Nov-10-11 09:08 PM   #142 
                          - The physical manifestations can be observed, yes  NMMNG   Nov-10-11 09:13 PM   #143 
  - With all the dancing around the barnyard in some of the responses, I still ..  MarkCharles   Nov-11-11 11:28 AM   #146 
     - It's simply a tortured and roundabout way  skepticscott   Nov-11-11 12:53 PM   #148 
        - Familiar patterns we see, like the Creationist meme that keeps saying..  MarkCharles   Nov-11-11 01:13 PM   #149 

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