Reply #90: Ideas, imagination, dreams, fantasies, random juxtapositions of thoughts,

[MarkCharles]

ghostly visions, auditory or visual hallucinations, obsessions, compulsions, incantations, defamatory declarations,

NONE of those are "knowledge", they are all human activities, some of which, (a very few) MAY someday lead to "knowledge", based upon the actual human work of discovery, exploration, testing of those human experiences against a thousand or ten thousand physical actions.

That guy who thought the Earth revolved around the sun, and not vice-versa had to PROVE his idea, with verifiable data and observations using some of the five senses, and a string of logic longer than the Pope's vestments. All those Popes' imaginings that the sun went around the Earth were proved false, and their religious intolerance of scientific proof only showed how misguided "intuition" and self-centered thinking, when aligned with a religious philosophy, can be.

The Popes probably claimed that they had "another way of knowing" that the Earth was the center of our galaxy, and they were dead WRONG about their "other way of knowing", but their religion enabled them to stifle the truth, and castigate the truth-sayer to house arrest for the rest of his days.

Again, one example of "another way of knowing", right there in history, staring us in the face.