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Thu Oct-06-11 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #92 |
| 95. Why do I have to prove there IS a god? |
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Isn't my claim. I'm an agnostic atheist. I have no belief in any gods but make no claims to absolute knowledge.
The proof would be on those making a positive claim. I'm not even making a claim; I just don't believe. Sounds like you, too, are an agnostic atheist.
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| -The Persistent And Incorrect Belief That Atheism Is A Religion |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 09:29 AM |
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K&R |
MineralMan |
Oct-05-11 09:32 AM |
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Yeah, I've taken to giving a canned response to most of those usuals... |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 09:34 AM |
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Here is an example that just arrived downthread... |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 11:05 AM |
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Cue "someone" incorrectly referring to |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 09:32 AM |
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"atheism is a religion like off is a channel on your television..." |
mike_c |
Oct-05-11 09:37 AM |
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The religious |
salinen |
Oct-05-11 09:43 AM |
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Logical fallacy |
Thurifer |
Oct-05-11 09:45 AM |
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Considering that atheism does not try to prove anything, I'm unsure your premise is correct. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 09:48 AM |
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Atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge. |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-05-11 09:54 AM |
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you are correct |
Celebration |
Oct-05-11 10:13 AM |
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He is not correct. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 10:18 AM |
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Actually, scientifically you can. |
trotsky |
Oct-06-11 06:50 AM |
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OK. |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 11:11 AM |
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I prefer "realist" |
pdx_prog |
Oct-05-11 10:30 AM |
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But you can believe in the supernatural and be an atheist |
starroute |
Oct-05-11 12:45 PM |
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I just can't dredge up much care what they call it. |
Atypical Liberal |
Oct-05-11 10:45 AM |
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It is an anti-theistic religion with its own mantras and large following. |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 10:46 AM |
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........... |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 11:02 AM |
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Hey, look everyone! It's one of the usual suspects spewing the usual drivel! |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 11:03 AM |
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And, I neglected to add it has its own symbols, and martyrs, too. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 11:10 AM |
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What is that sound? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 11:11 AM |
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Hark, I think I hear the voice of a martyr now! NT |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 11:15 AM |
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Get a few of your friends in here and... |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 11:17 AM |
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... |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 11:23 AM |
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........ |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 11:15 AM |
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Well, if you want to describe people who are physically attacked or threatened with execution for |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 11:49 AM |
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That's what makes organized atheism's antireligious activities so |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 12:07 PM |
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I assume |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 12:23 PM |
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Nope. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 12:27 PM |
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Sure, then |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 12:31 PM |
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Yemelyan Yaroslavsky. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 12:39 PM |
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Wrong |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 12:52 PM |
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He did MUCH as a leader of an atheist organization and |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 01:00 PM |
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He was and atheist |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 01:13 PM |
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Well. When thousands upon thousands were summarily executed, imprisoned, |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 01:26 PM |
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So what you are saying is |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 01:34 PM |
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I never said anything of the sort. Where did you find out about |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 01:53 PM |
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Since You Continue This, Sir, The Fraud You Engage In Should Be Pointed Out Clearly For All To See |
The Magistrate |
Oct-05-11 05:19 PM |
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^^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^ |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 05:57 PM |
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Absolutely perfect response. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-05-11 06:00 PM |
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Shall we exempt the politics? |
westerebus |
Oct-05-11 11:33 PM |
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Well Said, Sir: Well Said Indeed |
The Magistrate |
Oct-05-11 11:53 PM |
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Agreed. |
westerebus |
Oct-06-11 05:41 PM |
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Excellent post! |
Nihil |
Oct-06-11 07:36 AM |
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Thank you. |
westerebus |
Oct-06-11 05:51 PM |
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Excellent example of atheist double-speak |
bananas |
Oct-06-11 08:09 AM |
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Perhaps, Sir, English is Not Your Native Language? |
The Magistrate |
Oct-06-11 08:56 AM |
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Perhaps, Sir, English is Not Your Native Language? |
bananas |
Oct-06-11 10:32 AM |
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Imitation is The Sincerest Form Of Flattery, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Oct-06-11 10:56 AM |
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"There is only one TRVE definition of atheism, thou shalt not have any other definitions before me" |
bananas |
Oct-06-11 08:20 AM |
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And what is the motivation to kill to eradicate the scourge of |
Leontius |
Oct-06-11 12:11 PM |
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No One Is Arguing, Sir, Whether One Motive Is Superior Or Inferior To Another |
The Magistrate |
Oct-06-11 01:37 PM |
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And in proving your point you prove mine. All you offer is |
Leontius |
Oct-06-11 01:55 PM |
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You Make No Point Whatever, Sir, And fail To Engage Mine In the Slightest |
The Magistrate |
Oct-06-11 02:13 PM |
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What he said. |
Shadowflash |
Oct-06-11 08:22 PM |
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So one person makes the entire movement? |
rbixby |
Oct-05-11 01:26 PM |
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I didn't think I could fit a few million names in my post. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 01:27 PM |
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The entire human race has a strong history of human right abuses |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 12:40 PM |
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You state opposition to thoughtcrime in relation to religion or state |
Leontius |
Oct-05-11 12:50 PM |
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I don''t live in the US; or know all the details; but in general I support penalties for hate crimes |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 05:41 PM |
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We'll just have to disagree and maybe I see the slope as too |
Leontius |
Oct-05-11 06:02 PM |
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You have yet to prove to anyone besides yourself that such a thing exists. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-05-11 06:03 PM |
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'victims of human rights abuses'. Less punchy, but more accurate...I'd |
David Sky |
Oct-05-11 10:12 PM |
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Not quite, anti theism is not atheism it's just subset of atheism, |
Leontius |
Oct-05-11 11:21 AM |
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Atheism is the subject, anti-theism is the verb. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 11:34 AM |
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Anti-theism is a noun |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 11:53 AM |
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It may be A noun, but it is THE verb of organized atheism, and becoming |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 12:03 PM |
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Oh, look what you did there with word play. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 12:04 PM |
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So the Christian Right is by the same token the verb of organized Christianity? |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 12:27 PM |
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I am not equating "atheism with anti-theism." But, I do equate |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 12:35 PM |
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You think that everyone who attends a meeting to discuss atheism... |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 12:43 PM |
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"consider support for political secularism as 'anti-theism'?" No. nt |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 01:02 PM |
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Okay. We can all go home now. |
Iggo |
Oct-05-11 01:16 PM |
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Yeah, but next week, he will say the opposite and claim he never stated otherwise. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 03:04 PM |
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Absolutely! |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 11:54 AM |
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You'll get no disagreement from me on that. It should not have |
Leontius |
Oct-05-11 12:18 PM |
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See reply 18 |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 11:24 AM |
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You will NEVER get an honest answer to your most reasonable question. EVER. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 11:27 AM |
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Yeah, I know. |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 11:40 AM |
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Supertramp fan? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 11:44 AM |
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Yup. |
Shadowflash |
Oct-05-11 11:47 AM |
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No it isn't. Unless ANY opinion or interest is |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 11:47 AM |
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Music or sport, mathematics or literature are not the antithesis of anything, |
humblebum |
Oct-05-11 11:55 AM |
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But being a fan of one team is very much in opposition to being a fan of another |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-05-11 12:30 PM |
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Except, no it isn't. |
Iggo |
Oct-05-11 11:53 AM |
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That makes about as much sense as saying Yankee's Fans are members of a religion |
David Sky |
Oct-05-11 09:56 PM |
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K&R, (nt) |
Kurovski |
Oct-05-11 11:52 AM |
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You're close with your definition. But not quite right. |
A Simple Game |
Oct-05-11 02:13 PM |
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But the change you make is wrong. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 02:17 PM |
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Better get started on a campaign to change the standard |
Leontius |
Oct-05-11 03:52 PM |
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You really want to stand behind your basic dictionary |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-05-11 05:04 PM |
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Belief equals Faith. Is that definition wrong? |
A Simple Game |
Oct-06-11 05:58 AM |
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Why do I have to prove there IS a god? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-06-11 07:55 AM |
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You don't have to prove there is a god, that certainly is not your claim. |
A Simple Game |
Oct-06-11 11:51 AM |
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That was my typo I couldn't fix when I realized it. |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-06-11 11:58 AM |
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Are YOU telling ME what I do and do not believe? Really? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 03:13 PM |
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Did I tell you I am as handsome as Brad Pitt? Smart as Einstein? |
A Simple Game |
Oct-06-11 05:52 AM |
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Ugh. Why do so many feel the need to be so damn obtuse? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-06-11 12:07 PM |
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Because reveling in the ambiguity of language is the only way to make the God box shrink more slowly |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-11 05:33 PM |
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Sorry you don't feel up to the game. |
A Simple Game |
Oct-06-11 06:50 PM |
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Wow, you are really clever! |
cleanhippie |
Oct-06-11 06:51 PM |
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Obtuse to clever. I'm starting to make an impression! Yeah!! n/t |
A Simple Game |
Oct-06-11 09:14 PM |
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Yeah, you should be very proud of the impression you are making. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-06-11 09:21 PM |
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Come on, no comment on my being as handsome as |
A Simple Game |
Oct-07-11 08:20 AM |
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How can I testify to your handsomeness when I have never met you before? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-07-11 09:16 AM |
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"It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view." |
rug |
Oct-05-11 03:30 PM |
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never mind... |
Iggo |
Oct-05-11 05:14 PM |
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And yet an inordinate amount of time is spent by the religious |
darkstar3 |
Oct-05-11 07:06 PM |
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Family resemblance |
tama |
Oct-05-11 05:00 PM |
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There is also the Hair Club For Men. |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 07:21 PM |
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Are you member in both? |
tama |
Oct-05-11 08:33 PM |
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Are you looking for membership information? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-05-11 10:47 PM |
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swell :) |
tama |
Oct-05-11 11:05 PM |
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I like fun. |
socialshockwave |
Oct-05-11 07:24 PM |
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That is some weak tea. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-05-11 07:30 PM |
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I look at it this way. |
socialshockwave |
Oct-05-11 07:31 PM |
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I never claimed to know there were no gods. I'm an agnostic atheist. Look it up. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-05-11 07:42 PM |
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How do you know there isn't a tooth fairy? |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-06-11 11:03 AM |
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Exactly |
Shadowflash |
Oct-06-11 08:28 PM |
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Answer any one of the following: |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-06-11 11:03 AM |
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C'mon Goblinmonger, you know the answers. |
laconicsax |
Oct-06-11 10:17 PM |
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So you can even tell me how ONE |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-07-11 08:18 AM |
#120 |
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