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52. John Calvin barbecued Michael Servetus over this.
Servetus was against infant baptism and he was also the first Unitarian.
Calvin lured him to Geneva for a "debate". Servetus went to a church service and was recognized immediately and arrested.
And later barbecued at the stake. Protestants can be just as persecuting as Catholics.
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  -Justify infant baptism to me ButterflyBlood  Sep-29-11 10:01 AM   #0 
  - The parents feel obligated to do it and the congregation and church leaders just see "future money"  HopeHoops   Sep-29-11 10:04 AM   #1 
  - What a cynical judgement,  Thats my opinion   Sep-29-11 01:24 PM   #19 
     - and SOMETIMES...  deacon_sephiroth   Oct-03-11 06:44 AM   #45 
  - This is very simple. In the context of Christianity you are saved by faith + nothing else. Period.  elocs   Sep-29-11 10:08 AM   #2 
  - Catholics throw in some pretty big +s. Like deeds.  Goblinmonger   Sep-29-11 10:36 AM   #7 
  - Yes. nt  pnwmom   Sep-29-11 10:50 AM   #12 
  - Most religions of the world involve some way for the believers to work their way  elocs   Sep-29-11 10:01 PM   #27 
  - You are stating the Protestant position, not the only Christian position.  pnwmom   Sep-29-11 10:49 AM   #11 
  - The idiocy of this practice was highlighted at the baptism of my partner's infant nephew.  qb   Sep-29-11 10:10 AM   #3 
  - The party line is that we're all born with original sin  Warpy   Sep-29-11 10:15 AM   #4 
  - It's all part of the brainwashing and indoctrination. Pressure the parents into baptizing the child,  cleanhippie   Sep-29-11 10:16 AM   #5 
  - I guess you have to ask yourself  Ineeda   Sep-29-11 10:23 AM   #6 
  - Dude, get re-baptized if you want. No big.  Goblinmonger   Sep-29-11 10:38 AM   #8 
  - I was baptized as a toddler. It's probably my earliest memory.  kestrel91316   Sep-29-11 10:43 AM   #9 
  - Having gone through it as a parent, I will tell you  pnwmom   Sep-29-11 10:46 AM   #10 
  - I was confirmed, but it was meaningless to me  ButterflyBlood   Sep-29-11 11:25 AM   #13 
  - Now they recommend that teens wait till they're in the later years  pnwmom   Sep-29-11 12:01 PM   #18 
     - This wasn't that long ago. Around 1997.  ButterflyBlood   Sep-29-11 04:01 PM   #22 
  - The power of ritual. +1.  cleanhippie   Sep-29-11 11:27 AM   #15 
  - Don't worry about it.  bengalherder   Sep-29-11 11:26 AM   #14 
  - There are two strains of doctrines about baptism  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 11:34 AM   #16 
  - You have to do what you feel you have to do. That's really the bottom line.  MADem   Sep-29-11 11:53 AM   #17 
  - Consider God in this  hunkerdowndawg   Sep-29-11 03:31 PM   #20 
  - In case they die.  Iggo   Sep-29-11 03:45 PM   #21 
  - Probably showing my age, but I was taught that if an unbaptized baby dies,  Nye Bevan   Sep-29-11 07:39 PM   #23 
  - That was never really official Catholic teaching and is abandoned now  ButterflyBlood   Sep-29-11 08:30 PM   #24 
  - Why don't you discuss this with the members of your church, face to face, and decide  struggle4progress   Sep-29-11 09:14 PM   #25 
  - As noted my church doesn't do infant baptism  ButterflyBlood   Sep-29-11 09:51 PM   #26 
  - As I understood your post, you were deciding whether to be rebaptized in the process  struggle4progress   Oct-01-11 05:44 PM   #43 
  - Unless I'm mistaken  skepticscott   Sep-30-11 04:59 AM   #28 
     - He has the icon of authority.  laconicsax   Sep-30-11 04:43 PM   #29 
     - Internet chats are a poor substitute for actual human contact, and the content of Christianity  struggle4progress   Sep-30-11 07:49 PM   #30 
        - You implied that asking  skepticscott   Sep-30-11 07:56 PM   #31 
           - Yes, shockingly enough, I have for years regularly suggested to posters that they might want to seek  struggle4progress   Oct-01-11 03:05 PM   #36 
              - Irrelevant non-answer  skepticscott   Oct-01-11 04:14 PM   #40 
  - How you view your own baptism is up to you  WolverineDG   Sep-30-11 09:28 PM   #32 
  - Swimming and diving is fun  tama   Oct-01-11 05:14 AM   #33 
  - Some churches do require rebaptism...  Deep13   Oct-01-11 02:51 PM   #34 
  - Hmm, I always thought it was other churches' Confirmations that they wouldn't accept  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-01-11 03:01 PM   #35 
     - It was the Episcopal Church of the United States, the "real" E.C.  Deep13   Oct-01-11 03:55 PM   #37 
     - Or maybe you just had a weird rector  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-01-11 03:58 PM   #38 
        - I think I see the issue.  Deep13   Oct-01-11 04:13 PM   #39 
           - These chaplains were very high, and I was on the East Coast  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-01-11 04:18 PM   #41 
              - Maybe, I'm out of guesses at this point. nt  Deep13   Oct-01-11 04:25 PM   #42 
     - That seems pretty odd. I technically qualify but I would refuse to take communion  ButterflyBlood   Oct-02-11 11:28 PM   #44 
  - Simple, really.  jeepnstein   Oct-03-11 08:52 AM   #46 
  - They aren't, I haven't even asked about it  ButterflyBlood   Oct-03-11 11:32 AM   #47 
     - Once a year?  jeepnstein   Oct-03-11 03:32 PM   #48 
        - They have a mass baptism ceremony  ButterflyBlood   Oct-03-11 04:27 PM   #49 
           - I'm not a pastor.  jeepnstein   Oct-04-11 09:27 AM   #50 
              - My non-denominational church sounds kind of similar to that thought  ButterflyBlood   Oct-04-11 11:05 AM   #51 
                 - I would like to know more about your liberal evangelical church. What its name?  cleanhippie   Oct-05-11 12:29 AM   #56 
                    - It's a church from the Vineyard Movement. Not all Vineyard churches are liberal though.  ButterflyBlood   Oct-05-11 01:37 AM   #57 
                       - The Church isn't about politics.  jeepnstein   Oct-05-11 07:55 AM   #58 
                          - Yep, that sounds like what my church's stance is  ButterflyBlood   Oct-05-11 11:07 AM   #59 
  - John Calvin barbecued Michael Servetus over this.  Manifestor_of_Light   Oct-04-11 05:27 PM   #52 
  - More reason to dislike Calvin.  ButterflyBlood   Oct-04-11 09:13 PM   #53 
  - You said you identify more with Lutherans - they teach that as long as you were baptized "in the  iris27   Oct-04-11 11:29 PM   #54 
     - I've never even been to a Missouri Synod service. I'm talking about ELCA.  ButterflyBlood   Oct-05-11 12:25 AM   #55 

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