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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 09:09 PM
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6. If truth actually mattters, there are all kinds of reasons, religious & secular, to acknowledge the
significance of one's own evil FIRST in order to respond as authentically as possible, in one's OWN actions, to that of others.
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  -The church confesses a terrible evil Thats my opinion  Sep-27-11 08:54 PM   #0 
  - When will the church apologize and accept responsibility for protecting child-raping priests?  cleanhippie   Sep-27-11 08:56 PM   #1 
  - Probably not until long after they stop doing it.  jtrockville   Sep-27-11 08:57 PM   #2 
  - They neeeed to do this & accept how in so doing they also allowed, even encouraged, a war to  patrice   Sep-27-11 09:54 PM   #21 
  - What are you talking about? They spoke out against the Iraq war. n/t  pnwmom   Sep-27-11 10:18 PM   #29 
     - Some did. In our metro area, others allowed pressure groups against Kerry to take action in at least  patrice   Sep-27-11 10:22 PM   #30 
  - Pope Benedict has. n/t  pnwmom   Sep-27-11 10:18 PM   #28 
  - He is implicated as one of the head protectors.  cleanhippie   Sep-27-11 10:25 PM   #31 
  - Then howcome he was part of the cover-up as a Cardinal??  Angry Dragon   Sep-28-11 12:25 AM   #44 
  - Hitchens discusess an apology that happened in 2000.  ChadwickHenryWard   Sep-28-11 04:52 PM   #61 
  - Have they ever apologized for the Inquisition??  Angry Dragon   Sep-27-11 09:01 PM   #3 
  - Often! In both old history and since. nt  Thats my opinion   Sep-27-11 09:16 PM   #7 
  - I needs links to these apologies  Angry Dragon   Sep-28-11 12:23 AM   #43 
  - I don't think that I could be part of the Catholic Church because of the Inquistion  Nikia   Sep-27-11 09:37 PM   #15 
  - There are many over the centuries  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:43 PM   #52 
  - Because people in China would never admit to wrong doings.  PassingFair   Sep-27-11 09:03 PM   #4 
  - The right thing to do, but honorable?  mercymechap   Sep-27-11 09:08 PM   #5 
  - If truth actually mattters, there are all kinds of reasons, religious & secular, to acknowledge the  patrice   Sep-27-11 09:09 PM   #6 
  - These catholic authorities absolutely should NOT be honored  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:16 PM   #8 
  - Well friends  Thats my opinion   Sep-27-11 09:19 PM   #11 
  - "Fundamentalism"?  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:34 PM   #13 
  - Fundamentalism  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:47 PM   #53 
     - Still not sure how that's fundamentalism  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-28-11 05:52 PM   #65 
     - Fundamentalism is a Protestant movement.  laconicsax   Sep-30-11 09:19 PM   #80 
  - If that is really what you think  Goblinmonger   Sep-28-11 01:04 PM   #59 
  - That's not the way it works and it never has, no matter how mistaken anyone has been about it, Catho  patrice   Sep-27-11 09:41 PM   #16 
     - You speak of the church as if it's  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:45 PM   #17 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-11 09:48 PM   #19 
        - I'm a bigot because I question the authenticity of the apology?  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:56 PM   #23 
           - You assumed that I did not hold them at fault. You referred to a call for authentic admission of  patrice   Sep-27-11 10:28 PM   #32 
           - Explain how you get "happy kumbaya" out of post #16.  patrice   Sep-27-11 10:29 PM   #33 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-11 09:50 PM   #20 
        - Nope, not prejudiced  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:58 PM   #24 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-11 10:05 PM   #25 
           - What do you call it when someone assumes what another person thinks, usually negatively, without ask  patrice   Sep-27-11 10:38 PM   #34 
              - There's a difference between assumptions and inference  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-28-11 06:01 PM   #67 
        - I know its history, so I know it begins with a CHURCH that killed Lord Jesus. The same kind of  patrice   Sep-27-11 10:58 PM   #35 
        - Let's see your response to the guilt for the deaths of these children.  patrice   Sep-27-11 11:05 PM   #36 
        - Are you seriously arguing with yourself???? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  cleanhippie   Sep-28-11 12:29 PM   #49 
        - I'm really confused by your post  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-28-11 06:18 PM   #68 
        - There is a difference between  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:48 PM   #54 
           - Wow, just wow  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-28-11 05:58 PM   #66 
              - one time I was in a hotel  Thats my opinion   Sep-29-11 01:38 PM   #73 
                 - Well, by that line of reasoning...  laconicsax   Sep-29-11 04:22 PM   #74 
                 - And in that analogy, you are the outsider  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-29-11 05:28 PM   #75 
  - Whitewashing.  darkstar3   Sep-27-11 09:17 PM   #9 
  - Actually, it happens in the political realm quite often  DerekG   Sep-27-11 09:18 PM   #10 
  - When will Bush and Cheney apologize?  mercymechap   Sep-27-11 09:37 PM   #14 
     - Does it matter?  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-27-11 09:46 PM   #18 
     - FYI, it's hundreds of thousands of men, women, children and infants  DerekG   Sep-27-11 10:10 PM   #26 
        - Good point  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-28-11 06:18 PM   #69 
     - What about the innocent Iraqis, especially since we're talking about children here, the Iraqi childr  patrice   Sep-27-11 11:11 PM   #37 
  - It would mean a lot more if they also stipulated to damages...  Deep13   Sep-27-11 09:22 PM   #12 
  - I too  Thats my opinion   Sep-29-11 07:28 PM   #77 
  - They're only apologizing because they got caught  moobu2   Sep-27-11 09:55 PM   #22 
  - For years the Catholic church  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:53 PM   #55 
  - How about apologizing for the Counter-Reformation, too?  provis99   Sep-27-11 10:15 PM   #27 
  - Talk is cheap. nt  rrneck   Sep-27-11 11:13 PM   #38 
  - I have no time for the RC Church, but the number of people here...  TheMadMonk   Sep-27-11 11:20 PM   #39 
  - 2 things:  darkstar3   Sep-27-11 11:55 PM   #42 
  - Not defending anyone. I can enumerate any number of church inequities.  TheMadMonk   Sep-28-11 02:41 AM   #45 
     - And it was the Australian secular government that demanded, after World War II,  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-28-11 11:48 AM   #46 
        - Doesn't surprise me at all. And let me repeat for the third fucking time...  TheMadMonk   Sep-28-11 12:25 PM   #48 
  - Did it happen or not?  Deep13   Sep-28-11 11:55 AM   #47 
  - 4th time. NOT DEFENDING ANYONE.  TheMadMonk   Sep-28-11 01:02 PM   #58 
  - right on nt  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:54 PM   #56 
  - Confessing > On whose moral watch did Slavery happen? Genocide of Native Americans?  patrice   Sep-27-11 11:21 PM   #40 
  - You haven't been paying close enough attention, apologies are omni-present  Exultant Democracy   Sep-27-11 11:54 PM   #41 
  - Money Quote: "Apologies are cheap, reparations are the real thing. " --- Well stated!  cleanhippie   Sep-28-11 12:31 PM   #50 
  - Well some things are more honorable than others  dmallind   Sep-28-11 12:41 PM   #51 
  - That is exactly what ought to happen in every case  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 12:57 PM   #57 
     - I'm not an expert, but have not noted any mea culpas prior to press attention here. nt  dmallind   Sep-28-11 01:23 PM   #60 
        - Then you haven't been paying attention,  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 05:01 PM   #62 
           - Do you read atheist newsletters? Why should I read Catholic ones?  dmallind   Sep-28-11 05:45 PM   #64 
              - Hey dm, I read and have read lots of anti-religious material  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 07:05 PM   #70 
                 - And I've read plenty of religious books, but not the current periodicals  dmallind   Sep-29-11 08:58 AM   #72 
  - That's a funny claim.  ChadwickHenryWard   Sep-28-11 05:37 PM   #63 
  - I stand corrected. i should have known better.  Thats my opinion   Sep-28-11 07:06 PM   #71 
     - In other words  skepticscott   Sep-29-11 06:02 PM   #76 
     - You should probably apologize.  trotsky   Sep-30-11 07:13 AM   #78 
  - I think you should change one word in your title:  laconicsax   Sep-30-11 05:08 PM   #79 

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