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Mon Sep-26-11 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #91 |
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I do believe that safeguarding individuals' ability to choose is imperative for religious reasons.
The OP questions were about the readers' religious beliefs, but to be honest I believe that safeguarding indivduals' ability to choose their own life patterns is essential for democracy to function. Democracies are inherently pretty inefficient politically; their advantage lies in the experimental aspects involved in personal freedom, choices, their real world consequences and representative government. A democracy may take 100 wrong paths, but it has the ability to find better ways based on experience and real-world consequences.
I believe in evolution, because it seems amply demonstrated. (Although since I was a kid, it appears more and more likely that the pan-Spermian theory may be correct - life on this planet may have been jump-started from microbial life on others. When I was kid, that seemed like a really whacky theory which was presented to us only briefly in sort of a historical footnote, but since then, the dates of relatively complex life have been pushed back so far that now it is more mathematically plausible than the alternative, plus we seem to have strong hints that microbial life is found in asteroids.)
Therefore obviously I would not like evolution not to be taught. However because science itself works on public debate, I don't really have a problem with creationism being presented to public school students, or any students, as long as it is presented as a competing theory. If anything, I think the comparison between the evidence would lead anyone to a belief in evolution.
Science should not be taught or presented as a belief system - it destroys the underlying basic of science. At most, there are a very few axioms in scientific method, and those extremely basic, such as the idea that the natural world follows rules, that those rules can be derived from observation and experiment, the ability to form predictive hypotheses, etc. All the other things we know or think we know are derived from observations.
I am from Georgia. I certainly am exposed to a lot of fundamentalists and I do not seem to ever find the vast hordes of shrieking fundamentalists that so many describe.
I believe in equal civil rights for homosexuals and gender-blurred individuals.
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| -Are the details of your religion important to you? |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 03:00 PM |
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There will never be a honest discussion in this forum about Religion. NT |
William769 |
Sep-19-11 03:05 PM |
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+1 |
1620rock |
Sep-19-11 03:10 PM |
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I don't care about the details of my religion because they came |
roguevalley |
Sep-20-11 02:33 PM |
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demosincebirth |
Sep-19-11 03:27 PM |
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Why not honest? |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-19-11 03:38 PM |
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All one has to do is read through the threads in this forum to know the answer. |
William769 |
Sep-19-11 03:57 PM |
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There's nothing dishonest about atheism |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-19-11 04:44 PM |
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There is nothing dishonest about atheism. |
William769 |
Sep-19-11 06:05 PM |
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And there are some atheists who spend their time here responding to broad-brushes like that one. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-19-11 07:51 PM |
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How does "only knocking religion" equate to not having an honest discussion? |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 08:07 PM |
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each side has people who hate and smear it all over the topic |
roguevalley |
Sep-20-11 02:35 PM |
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That still sounds like a comment addressing tone... |
Silent3 |
Sep-21-11 12:19 AM |
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But there is a noticeable change here |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-22-11 02:12 PM |
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At least not from many of the religious posters. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-19-11 04:06 PM |
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Thanks for proving my point. |
William769 |
Sep-19-11 04:08 PM |
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Oh, I think you are doing just fine on your own. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-19-11 04:17 PM |
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I'm really curious to know why you think the discussions are not honest |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Sep-19-11 06:55 PM |
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I can't answer any of your questions, but I think it works like this: |
PassingFair |
Sep-19-11 03:11 PM |
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Excellent response |
Dogtown |
Sep-19-11 03:55 PM |
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When the shoe fits! |
PassingFair |
Sep-19-11 04:24 PM |
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It does |
NMMNG |
Sep-19-11 07:11 PM |
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I don't know anyone who does that-- |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-19-11 08:41 PM |
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You think a third of the country is unlikely to be known to any of us |
dmallind |
Sep-20-11 04:24 AM |
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Of course I do |
NMMNG |
Sep-20-11 09:47 AM |
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TMO, please don't assume your personal experience must be universally shared. |
iris27 |
Sep-22-11 12:24 AM |
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Yup. As long as your religion doesn't interfere with my life, or the lives of others. |
HERVEPA |
Sep-20-11 01:28 PM |
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Rec'd to zero. n/t |
laconicsax |
Sep-19-11 03:14 PM |
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Yes, details like a lack of dogma. |
dtexdem |
Sep-19-11 03:20 PM |
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Do those commitments actually fit well... |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 03:50 PM |
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What most people would understand as a "religion"? |
tama |
Sep-20-11 05:49 AM |
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"anthropological comparative study of religions" are a bit removed... |
Silent3 |
Sep-21-11 12:41 AM |
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thanks for that |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-22-11 02:27 PM |
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Who are these antagonists who "hate all religion"? |
laconicsax |
Sep-22-11 03:12 PM |
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There is allways the possibility |
tama |
Sep-25-11 12:48 PM |
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And that is why I belong to a UU Fellowship. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-19-11 04:08 PM |
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Sep-22-11 02:28 PM |
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I agree with you. I feel at home with the UUs. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-21-11 04:48 PM |
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Here's how it works in America: The details are very important |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-11 03:46 PM |
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Wow, man. That was beautiful! |
cleanhippie |
Sep-19-11 04:10 PM |
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I recently read a message-board comment by a British Conservative ... |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-20-11 02:50 AM |
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I'm a Christian and couldn't agree more. |
jeepnstein |
Sep-20-11 07:49 AM |
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When I was a practicing Christian, the details were the ONLY part that mattered... |
Scuba |
Sep-19-11 04:17 PM |
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You can't have an honest discussion about religion here |
NMMNG |
Sep-19-11 06:39 PM |
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I am a Reform Jew so... |
Meshuga |
Sep-19-11 08:17 PM |
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Doesn't that almost become more of a cultural tradition then... |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 09:23 PM |
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Yes, |
Meshuga |
Sep-20-11 05:56 AM |
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The answers! |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-19-11 09:39 PM |
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Thank you for your answers. |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 10:13 PM |
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My respect for the sincerity of others is based on my respect for them as human beings. |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-19-11 10:30 PM |
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How do you deal with people who sincerely believe bad things? |
Silent3 |
Sep-19-11 11:14 PM |
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Yes, there are... |
tortoise1956 |
Sep-19-11 11:44 PM |
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believing that someone is "going to hell" is identical to hating them. |
yodermon |
Sep-20-11 04:50 PM |
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Not necessarily. Someone on the highway to hell is in need of rescue! |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-20-11 11:19 PM |
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I didn't answer your question |
tortoise1956 |
Sep-19-11 11:48 PM |
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We send the military to Afghanistan to work on those folks! |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-20-11 09:45 PM |
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"motivated to do good and serve God" |
trotsky |
Sep-21-11 07:07 AM |
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Fred Phelps is full of it. I'm not trying to excuse bad behavior here. |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-21-11 09:42 PM |
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What if an atheist does good? |
laconicsax |
Sep-21-11 10:48 PM |
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God is pleased when they do good. |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-22-11 10:11 PM |
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But you're missing the point. |
trotsky |
Sep-22-11 06:09 AM |
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Just because Phelps THINKS he is doing good, does not make it so. |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-22-11 10:15 PM |
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You bet your booties I know. |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-24-11 07:50 PM |
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And if Fred Phelps |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 06:56 AM |
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... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-25-11 05:47 PM |
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If so, I will probably be told |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 06:42 PM |
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When I was trying to be a Christian... |
Deep13 |
Sep-20-11 09:54 AM |
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It is taking a long time, but Christianity is spreading in China. |
Pterodactyl |
Sep-21-11 09:46 PM |
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So how many Chinese people have gone to hell in the meantime. |
Deep13 |
Sep-26-11 08:06 PM |
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I take something like the approach Meshuga describes |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-21-11 01:28 PM |
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I appreciate your response. I hope you can understand... |
Silent3 |
Sep-21-11 02:53 PM |
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If you are really interested in a rational discussion of these questions |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-22-11 12:47 AM |
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How is "looking for a crack in the armor", as you put it... |
Silent3 |
Sep-22-11 11:31 PM |
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While we may honestly disagree |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-23-11 10:43 AM |
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You might be trying to steer clear of judging other Christians... |
Silent3 |
Sep-24-11 02:17 PM |
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In any culture |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-24-11 03:52 PM |
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Ask most Christian Americans about the historicity of Jesus... |
Silent3 |
Sep-24-11 04:43 PM |
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Good discussion. |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-24-11 07:46 PM |
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I can't, and have no desire to, take away anyone's "right to find... |
Silent3 |
Sep-24-11 11:42 PM |
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Sep-25-11 07:01 AM |
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"Epistemological abyss" |
tama |
Sep-25-11 01:44 PM |
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I find it incredibly interesting... |
trotsky |
Sep-25-11 09:46 AM |
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And which of those things |
skepticscott |
Sep-24-11 06:00 PM |
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If |
tama |
Sep-25-11 01:56 PM |
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Not remotely an answer to what I asked |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 04:47 PM |
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OK |
tama |
Sep-25-11 05:35 PM |
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CAN religion provide "spiritual" experiences? |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 06:35 PM |
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OK |
tama |
Sep-25-11 08:21 PM |
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Another non-answer |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 08:51 PM |
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Do you remember the scene in Mel Brooks' History of the World part I where... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-26-11 01:44 PM |
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I'm just waiting |
skepticscott |
Sep-26-11 07:59 PM |
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Church hierarchies |
tama |
Sep-25-11 01:32 PM |
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Is debate |
tama |
Sep-25-11 01:07 PM |
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The rules of behavior and the reasons for them are very important to me |
Yo_Mama |
Sep-25-11 06:28 PM |
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solid post |
Thats my opinion |
Sep-25-11 07:03 PM |
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Got a mouse in your pocket? |
darkstar3 |
Sep-25-11 07:25 PM |
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What about internet-generated examples |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 07:28 PM |
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The reason you should care |
skepticscott |
Sep-25-11 07:26 PM |
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I thought it was clear |
Yo_Mama |
Sep-26-11 06:47 AM |
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As an aside... |
trotsky |
Sep-26-11 07:02 AM |
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Creationism is not "a competing theory" |
Silent3 |
Sep-26-11 09:55 AM |
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So you've answered your own question about |
skepticscott |
Sep-26-11 07:58 PM |
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Many of the rules of behavior for many religions... |
Silent3 |
Sep-26-11 09:43 AM |
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Your point betrays a lack of knowledge of at least my religion |
Yo_Mama |
Sep-26-11 01:55 PM |
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