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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 08:41 PM
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48. I think Pentecostals should be able to say what Pentecostalism is all about.
I think Zen Buddhists should be able to say what Zen Buddhism is all about.

I think Sikhs should be able to say what Sikhism is all about.

And I think atheists should be able to say what atheism is all about.
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  -The Most Effective Argument for Atheism That I've Ever Seen rug  Sep-16-11 03:25 PM   #0 
  - And here is the REAL key to what is being said:  Indydem   Sep-16-11 03:50 PM   #1 
  - If you really believe  skepticscott   Sep-16-11 04:45 PM   #9 
  - "If we all just left each other the hell alone, the world would be a far better place."  NMMNG   Sep-16-11 09:08 PM   #21 
  - My sky wizard can beat up your sky wizard..... n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Sep-17-11 07:27 AM   #36 
  - Yeah, I mean Christians have  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 08:56 PM   #49 
  - most religions precluding leaving others alone...  Deep13   Sep-18-11 12:31 PM   #91 
  - I'm not an atheist either, in that I believe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts  villager   Sep-16-11 03:53 PM   #2 
  - Atheism is the default. You need an argument for anything else. nt  valerief   Sep-16-11 04:16 PM   #3 
  - No you don't.  rug   Sep-16-11 04:22 PM   #4 
  - Yes. You do. We're all born atheists. We have to be taught otherwise.  valerief   Sep-16-11 04:26 PM   #5 
     - No. No you don't.  rug   Sep-16-11 04:27 PM   #6 
        - Shoo. Scat. You have no proof. Go away. nt  valerief   Sep-16-11 04:28 PM   #7 
           - Sigh.  rug   Sep-16-11 04:33 PM   #8 
              - That's an interesting definition of atheism.  laconicsax   Sep-16-11 05:02 PM   #10 
              - I'll just call newborns aPlutonians then.  rug   Sep-16-11 05:07 PM   #12 
              - Ah, but atheism isn't about asserting nonexistence. It's about non-belief.  laconicsax   Sep-16-11 06:38 PM   #15 
                 - It's a specific nonbelief, a nonbelief in theism. Otherwise, it would simply be nonbelief.  rug   Sep-16-11 08:21 PM   #16 
                 - Wrong, as usual.  darkstar3   Sep-16-11 08:23 PM   #17 
                    - As usual? This from a guy who sees religious leaders suppporting immigrants to be bigotry?  rug   Sep-16-11 08:35 PM   #18 
                       - Wrong again, because I wasn't the one who even mentioned bigotry.  darkstar3   Sep-16-11 08:41 PM   #19 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-11 08:46 PM   #20 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-11 10:44 PM   #24 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-11 10:47 PM   #25 
                       - You don't realize you have proven the point.  rug   Sep-17-11 12:18 AM   #26 
                          - The same way no one ever said "not baseball" until after baseball was invented. n/t  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 12:30 AM   #27 
                          - It would be pretty stupid to say it before.  rug   Sep-17-11 12:52 AM   #28 
                          - Whoosh!  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 02:11 AM   #33 
                             - I see you're unfamiliar with dialectics.  rug   Sep-17-11 08:16 AM   #37 
                                - Is that the book by L. Ron Hubbard?  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 10:33 AM   #40 
                                - I'm unsurprised you confuse Hegel with Hubbard.  rug   Sep-17-11 03:20 PM   #42 
                                - Oh, you said dialectics. I thought you said dianetics.  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 08:12 PM   #46 
                                - Weak.  rug   Sep-17-11 09:00 PM   #51 
                                - You said bigotry, not me.  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 09:49 PM   #59 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-17-11 11:20 PM   #64 
                                - "Get over yourself and your borrowed ideas"  laconicsax   Sep-18-11 12:25 AM   #86 
                          - There can't be anyone who "doesn't believe in" fairies  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 12:55 AM   #30 
                          - You don't realize the problem.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 12:54 AM   #29 
                          - You don't realize the obvious.  rug   Sep-17-11 01:02 AM   #31 
                             - You just lost  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 01:25 AM   #32 
                             - Only in the sense that I'm engaging you.  rug   Sep-17-11 08:24 AM   #38 
                                - Ok then,  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 02:59 PM   #41 
                                - All these posts and nothing to say here?  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 09:35 PM   #58 
                             - BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and you lost big time. Don't play English teacher, mmmmkay.  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 09:02 PM   #53 
                                - Actually you're right about that.  rug   Sep-17-11 09:06 PM   #55 
                                   - Well, I knew believe was intransitive  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 09:32 PM   #57 
                                   - if the state is paying you, you should.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:05 PM   #61 
                                   - I actually have an English minor  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 11:24 PM   #67 
                                   - Oh bullshit.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:32 PM   #71 
                                   - Like hell you did.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:33 PM   #73 
                                   - You? You are feeling bullied?  rug   Sep-17-11 11:34 PM   #74 
                                   - Actually I'm feeling amused at this particular moment.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:36 PM   #76 
                                   - And you know more about that law than I.  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 11:36 PM   #77 
                                   - It hasn't, nor did I say it had.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:44 PM   #79 
                                   - I did not reference 2352 specifically.  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 11:51 PM   #81 
                                   - And my seminary background  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 11:44 PM   #78 
                          - But the theists  Goblinmonger   Sep-17-11 08:59 PM   #50 
                       - Now look up "disbelief"  dmallind   Sep-19-11 04:53 AM   #101 
                 - +1000  valerief   Sep-16-11 09:54 PM   #23 
              - Concept.  westerebus   Sep-17-11 03:24 PM   #44 
                 - Gnosticism is about knowledge, theism is about belief,  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 03:50 PM   #45 
                    - Hi, darkstar.  westerebus   Sep-18-11 09:54 PM   #100 
                       - So am I. So, I strongly suspect, is darkstar. Both atheistts too though  dmallind   Sep-19-11 05:07 AM   #102 
                          - That would not surprise me.  westerebus   Sep-19-11 12:24 PM   #103 
              - We generally define ourselves as non-believers. Atheism is passive.  ZombieHorde   Sep-16-11 05:28 PM   #13 
              - Classi9c atheism is indeed passive.  rug   Sep-16-11 05:34 PM   #14 
                 - Skepticism is a conclusion; atheism is a state of being.  ZombieHorde   Sep-17-11 10:18 AM   #39 
                    - Atheism is an intellectual conclusion, not a state of being.  rug   Sep-17-11 03:22 PM   #43 
                       - When did you come to the conclusion that you don't believe in Amaterasu?  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 08:40 PM   #47 
                       - Shotly after I learned about them.  rug   Sep-17-11 09:03 PM   #54 
                          - Based on your own reasoning, you were.  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 09:55 PM   #60 
                             - No, that was your reasoning.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:12 PM   #62 
                                - What is the state of your belief in concepts to which you have yet to be introduced?  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:19 PM   #63 
                                - Agnostic.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:23 PM   #65 
                                   - Read #45. That is not a state of belief.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:24 PM   #66 
                                      - You can't have belief without knowledge.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:25 PM   #68 
                                         - False.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:31 PM   #70 
                                         - Belief is not based on the scientific method.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:33 PM   #72 
                                         - I used the method as a simple example that anyone might be able to understand.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:35 PM   #75 
                                         - That's plain wrong.  rug   Sep-17-11 11:48 PM   #80 
                                         - So tell me what you know about God, and please be sure to cite confirmed facts.  darkstar3   Sep-17-11 11:55 PM   #82 
                                         - Which is why atheism precedes theism.  laconicsax   Sep-18-11 12:17 AM   #85 
                                         - Is there anything about specific disbelief that is confusing you?  rug   Sep-18-11 11:30 AM   #89 
                                         - No, but I think it might be confusing you...  laconicsax   Sep-18-11 12:08 PM   #90 
                                - Yes, that is my position. It's counter to yours.  laconicsax   Sep-17-11 11:29 PM   #69 
                                   - You're really not getting this, are you?  rug   Sep-18-11 12:14 AM   #84 
                                      - You already made my case for me in #68. It's sad that you don't understand how.  laconicsax   Sep-18-11 12:36 AM   #87 
                       - I think Pentecostals should be able to say what Pentecostalism is all about.  ZombieHorde   Sep-17-11 08:41 PM   #48 
                       - That might be true if there was an atheist Vatican.  rug   Sep-17-11 09:22 PM   #56 
                          - I agree there is a divergence  ZombieHorde   Sep-18-11 12:13 AM   #83 
                       - I was an atheist until I was 8  NMMNG   Sep-17-11 09:01 PM   #52 
              - If someone has never heard of god  EvilAL   Sep-18-11 02:04 AM   #88 
                 - Happy?  westerebus   Sep-18-11 08:08 PM   #94 
                 - Someone who has never heard of god.  rug   Sep-18-11 09:26 PM   #95 
                    - Kludgy to a fault. Surely there's a word that encompasses that concept.  darkstar3   Sep-18-11 09:35 PM   #97 
                       - What do you call someone who has never heard of Brazil?  rug   Sep-18-11 09:43 PM   #98 
                          - False equivalence. No one "believes in" or "lacks belief in" Brazil.  darkstar3   Sep-18-11 09:48 PM   #99 
  - Bingo  NMMNG   Sep-16-11 09:09 PM   #22 
  - Given the definiotion of atheism  tama   Sep-17-11 04:43 AM   #34 
  - right. nt  Deep13   Sep-18-11 12:32 PM   #93 
  - Ehm,  tama   Sep-16-11 05:06 PM   #11 
  - "If we crave some cosmic purpose ..."  Jim__   Sep-17-11 07:14 AM   #35 
  - Carl Sagan was most assuredly an atheist. nt  Deep13   Sep-18-11 12:32 PM   #92 
  - Page 2.  rug   Sep-18-11 09:29 PM   #96 
     - I don't believe him.  Deep13   Sep-19-11 04:56 PM   #104 
        - Ah, context.  rug   Sep-19-11 04:59 PM   #105 
           - Yeah, context. And since when are newspaper quotes reliable...  Deep13   Sep-19-11 08:40 PM   #107 
  - Sagan actually was not an Atheist, but a 'non-theist"  Taverner   Sep-19-11 05:59 PM   #106 
 

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