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Fri Sep-16-11 06:38 PM
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| 15. Ah, but atheism isn't about asserting nonexistence. It's about non-belief. |
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Those are different things, you know.
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| -The Most Effective Argument for Atheism That I've Ever Seen |
rug |
Sep-16-11 03:25 PM |
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And here is the REAL key to what is being said: |
Indydem |
Sep-16-11 03:50 PM |
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If you really believe |
skepticscott |
Sep-16-11 04:45 PM |
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"If we all just left each other the hell alone, the world would be a far better place." |
NMMNG |
Sep-16-11 09:08 PM |
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My sky wizard can beat up your sky wizard..... n/t |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Sep-17-11 07:27 AM |
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Yeah, I mean Christians have |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 08:56 PM |
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most religions precluding leaving others alone... |
Deep13 |
Sep-18-11 12:31 PM |
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I'm not an atheist either, in that I believe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts |
villager |
Sep-16-11 03:53 PM |
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Atheism is the default. You need an argument for anything else. nt |
valerief |
Sep-16-11 04:16 PM |
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No you don't. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 04:22 PM |
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Yes. You do. We're all born atheists. We have to be taught otherwise. |
valerief |
Sep-16-11 04:26 PM |
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No. No you don't. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 04:27 PM |
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Shoo. Scat. You have no proof. Go away. nt |
valerief |
Sep-16-11 04:28 PM |
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Sigh. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 04:33 PM |
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That's an interesting definition of atheism. |
laconicsax |
Sep-16-11 05:02 PM |
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I'll just call newborns aPlutonians then. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 05:07 PM |
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Ah, but atheism isn't about asserting nonexistence. It's about non-belief. |
laconicsax |
Sep-16-11 06:38 PM |
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It's a specific nonbelief, a nonbelief in theism. Otherwise, it would simply be nonbelief. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 08:21 PM |
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Wrong, as usual. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-16-11 08:23 PM |
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As usual? This from a guy who sees religious leaders suppporting immigrants to be bigotry? |
rug |
Sep-16-11 08:35 PM |
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Wrong again, because I wasn't the one who even mentioned bigotry. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-16-11 08:41 PM |
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Sep-16-11 08:46 PM |
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Sep-16-11 10:44 PM |
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Sep-16-11 10:47 PM |
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You don't realize you have proven the point. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 12:18 AM |
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The same way no one ever said "not baseball" until after baseball was invented. n/t |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 12:30 AM |
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It would be pretty stupid to say it before. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 12:52 AM |
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Whoosh! |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 02:11 AM |
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I see you're unfamiliar with dialectics. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 08:16 AM |
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Is that the book by L. Ron Hubbard? |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 10:33 AM |
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I'm unsurprised you confuse Hegel with Hubbard. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 03:20 PM |
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Oh, you said dialectics. I thought you said dianetics. |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 08:12 PM |
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Weak. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 09:00 PM |
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You said bigotry, not me. |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 09:49 PM |
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Sep-17-11 11:20 PM |
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"Get over yourself and your borrowed ideas" |
laconicsax |
Sep-18-11 12:25 AM |
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There can't be anyone who "doesn't believe in" fairies |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 12:55 AM |
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You don't realize the problem. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 12:54 AM |
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You don't realize the obvious. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 01:02 AM |
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You just lost |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 01:25 AM |
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Only in the sense that I'm engaging you. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 08:24 AM |
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Ok then, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 02:59 PM |
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All these posts and nothing to say here? |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 09:35 PM |
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BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and you lost big time. Don't play English teacher, mmmmkay. |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 09:02 PM |
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Actually you're right about that. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 09:06 PM |
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Well, I knew believe was intransitive |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 09:32 PM |
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if the state is paying you, you should. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:05 PM |
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I actually have an English minor |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 11:24 PM |
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Oh bullshit. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:32 PM |
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Like hell you did. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:33 PM |
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You? You are feeling bullied? |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:34 PM |
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Actually I'm feeling amused at this particular moment. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:36 PM |
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And you know more about that law than I. |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 11:36 PM |
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It hasn't, nor did I say it had. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:44 PM |
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I did not reference 2352 specifically. |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 11:51 PM |
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And my seminary background |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 11:44 PM |
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But the theists |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-17-11 08:59 PM |
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Now look up "disbelief" |
dmallind |
Sep-19-11 04:53 AM |
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+1000 |
valerief |
Sep-16-11 09:54 PM |
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Concept. |
westerebus |
Sep-17-11 03:24 PM |
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Gnosticism is about knowledge, theism is about belief, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 03:50 PM |
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Hi, darkstar. |
westerebus |
Sep-18-11 09:54 PM |
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So am I. So, I strongly suspect, is darkstar. Both atheistts too though |
dmallind |
Sep-19-11 05:07 AM |
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That would not surprise me. |
westerebus |
Sep-19-11 12:24 PM |
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We generally define ourselves as non-believers. Atheism is passive. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-16-11 05:28 PM |
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Classi9c atheism is indeed passive. |
rug |
Sep-16-11 05:34 PM |
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Skepticism is a conclusion; atheism is a state of being. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-17-11 10:18 AM |
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Atheism is an intellectual conclusion, not a state of being. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 03:22 PM |
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When did you come to the conclusion that you don't believe in Amaterasu? |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 08:40 PM |
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Shotly after I learned about them. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 09:03 PM |
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Based on your own reasoning, you were. |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 09:55 PM |
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No, that was your reasoning. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:12 PM |
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What is the state of your belief in concepts to which you have yet to be introduced? |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:19 PM |
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Agnostic. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:23 PM |
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Read #45. That is not a state of belief. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:24 PM |
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You can't have belief without knowledge. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:25 PM |
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False. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:31 PM |
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Belief is not based on the scientific method. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:33 PM |
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I used the method as a simple example that anyone might be able to understand. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:35 PM |
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That's plain wrong. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 11:48 PM |
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So tell me what you know about God, and please be sure to cite confirmed facts. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-17-11 11:55 PM |
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Which is why atheism precedes theism. |
laconicsax |
Sep-18-11 12:17 AM |
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Is there anything about specific disbelief that is confusing you? |
rug |
Sep-18-11 11:30 AM |
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No, but I think it might be confusing you... |
laconicsax |
Sep-18-11 12:08 PM |
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Yes, that is my position. It's counter to yours. |
laconicsax |
Sep-17-11 11:29 PM |
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You're really not getting this, are you? |
rug |
Sep-18-11 12:14 AM |
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You already made my case for me in #68. It's sad that you don't understand how. |
laconicsax |
Sep-18-11 12:36 AM |
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I think Pentecostals should be able to say what Pentecostalism is all about. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-17-11 08:41 PM |
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That might be true if there was an atheist Vatican. |
rug |
Sep-17-11 09:22 PM |
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I agree there is a divergence |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-18-11 12:13 AM |
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I was an atheist until I was 8 |
NMMNG |
Sep-17-11 09:01 PM |
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If someone has never heard of god |
EvilAL |
Sep-18-11 02:04 AM |
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Happy? |
westerebus |
Sep-18-11 08:08 PM |
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Someone who has never heard of god. |
rug |
Sep-18-11 09:26 PM |
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Kludgy to a fault. Surely there's a word that encompasses that concept. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-18-11 09:35 PM |
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What do you call someone who has never heard of Brazil? |
rug |
Sep-18-11 09:43 PM |
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False equivalence. No one "believes in" or "lacks belief in" Brazil. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-18-11 09:48 PM |
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Bingo |
NMMNG |
Sep-16-11 09:09 PM |
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Given the definiotion of atheism |
tama |
Sep-17-11 04:43 AM |
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right. nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-18-11 12:32 PM |
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Ehm, |
tama |
Sep-16-11 05:06 PM |
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"If we crave some cosmic purpose ..." |
Jim__ |
Sep-17-11 07:14 AM |
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Carl Sagan was most assuredly an atheist. nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-18-11 12:32 PM |
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Page 2. |
rug |
Sep-18-11 09:29 PM |
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I don't believe him. |
Deep13 |
Sep-19-11 04:56 PM |
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Ah, context. |
rug |
Sep-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Yeah, context. And since when are newspaper quotes reliable... |
Deep13 |
Sep-19-11 08:40 PM |
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Sagan actually was not an Atheist, but a 'non-theist" |
Taverner |
Sep-19-11 05:59 PM |
#106 |
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