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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 11:50 AM
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13. Oh, dear. I don't see the issue here, really.
As you posted, your daughter loudly proclaimed her atheism in this restaurant. When she walked by that table, someone there engaged her in a conversation regarding religious belief, which your daughter handled rationally and politely. Can you explain where your difficulty is with this?

Had the conversation at your table not been loud enough for this other table to hear, the situation would never have arisen. Since it was clearly audible, I can't see any reason to be concerned that someone at another table raised the point with your daughter, who had introduced it publicly. Your daughter behaved perfectly in the situation. I'd be proud of her.

In public places, people often engage others in conversation over things said and heard. No big deal, really.
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  -A Christian confronts my 13-year-old daughter kag  Sep-12-11 11:32 AM   #0 
  - what would your reaction be to this scenario if the woman had..  grasswire   Sep-12-11 11:36 AM   #1 
  - Buddha is not a god, nor did he claim to be anything other than a man.  alfredo   Sep-12-11 11:49 AM   #11 
  - Not sure why you want to know, but...  kag   Sep-12-11 11:50 AM   #14 
  - I think the word "confront" is not exactly descriptive.  grasswire   Sep-12-11 12:10 PM   #38 
     - So if the roles had been reversed  Goblinmonger   Sep-12-11 10:00 PM   #111 
     - Yes - parents would be absolutelty THRILLED if I did that to every teen making a Christian statement  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:54 AM   #124 
     - I'm a Unitarian. It's not empty.  cilla4progress   Sep-13-11 12:34 AM   #114 
  - A buddhist would never have done that, so the point is moot.  cleanhippie   Sep-13-11 01:12 AM   #115 
  - Deep down I think many of these people know religion is all a big scam  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 11:36 AM   #2 
  - When I was being trained in Christianity, this was taught EXPLICITLY to us  saras   Sep-12-11 11:54 AM   #17 
  - The woman was out of line to confront your daughter without asking your permission.  hamsterjill   Sep-12-11 11:36 AM   #3 
  - Yup  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:11 PM   #42 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Sep-12-11 06:20 PM   #106 
  - Woulnd't exactly call that a confrontaion  bighart   Sep-12-11 11:37 AM   #4 
  - It's very cool that your daughter is so grounded.  tblue   Sep-12-11 11:37 AM   #5 
  - Telling someone to keep an open mind  bighart   Sep-12-11 11:40 AM   #6 
     - Depends on how it's done.  tblue   Sep-12-11 02:55 PM   #99 
     - Doesn't sound lke that was the case from what the op says down thread.  bighart   Sep-12-11 03:23 PM   #101 
     - SO you would be ok if it had been a christian family having a conversation about god...  cleanhippie   Sep-13-11 01:16 AM   #116 
        - If the situation where as described, yes it would be.  bighart   Sep-13-11 09:50 AM   #122 
           - Ok, fair enough. Hard to argue with that.  cleanhippie   Sep-13-11 01:41 PM   #126 
              - Thanks for the reasoned response.  bighart   Sep-13-11 02:20 PM   #127 
  - An innocuous comment politiely delivered and you are upset?  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 11:40 AM   #7 
  - Wow.  kag   Sep-12-11 12:02 PM   #30 
  - You seem to contradict yourself...  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 12:10 PM   #40 
     - I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I WASN'T OFFENDED. JEESH!  kag   Sep-12-11 12:14 PM   #52 
     - he sounds more anti-religion than atheist  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:18 PM   #60 
     - Your interpretation of the OP is very different than mine. nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-11 12:59 PM   #86 
     - If the woman wanted to actually discuss religion, she should have come to the table, to the parents  defendandprotect   Sep-12-11 06:21 PM   #107 
  - "I'm saved and better than you" is not innocuous  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:11 PM   #43 
     - that is not what the woman said...  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 12:17 PM   #58 
     - "God has worked wonders in my life so keep and open mind" means I'm saved and better than you  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:22 PM   #67 
        - Uh, no. There is no such judgment in that comment.  kwassa   Sep-12-11 03:03 PM   #100 
           - Then you don't know Christians nt  Taverner   Sep-12-11 06:35 PM   #108 
     - quite the opposite i think it's more  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:20 PM   # 
  - Your daughter should have asked that woman if she thanked Zeus for those miracles.  Ikonoklast   Sep-12-11 11:41 AM   #8 
  - Why would you encourage a child to be rude or intolerant?  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 11:43 AM   #10 
  - Because stupidity doesn't deserve the tolerance that genuine opinions do  saras   Sep-12-11 11:57 AM   #20 
  - still I see no excuse for being rude in this exchange  G_j   Sep-12-11 12:02 PM   #29 
  - Good heavens... So atheists can be intolerant because they are "right?"  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 12:12 PM   #44 
  - Surely one can keep their own mythological beliefs to themselves, too.  Ikonoklast   Sep-12-11 11:57 AM   #21 
  - Because the Christian myth gets some sort of societal privilege  Stuckinthebush   Sep-12-11 12:04 PM   #32 
  - Good grief!!!  kag   Sep-12-11 12:10 PM   #37 
  - Take a breath... Your fellow Coloradan was supporting you.  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:14 PM   # 
  - No, but obviously  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 12:15 PM   #54 
  - Um, that's not intolerant  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:13 PM   #47 
  - If all children were taught to question the idiocy of religion  snooper2   Sep-12-11 12:45 PM   #81 
  - And of course, the woman who buttonholed the child was NOT being rude.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-12-11 12:52 PM   #84 
  - Why do you hate neo-pagans? What have they done to you?  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-11 01:02 PM   #87 
  - Nice  Stuckinthebush   Sep-12-11 12:01 PM   #28 
  - well could have been worse--my son dropped a pizza and exclaimed God Dammit in front of my very  dembotoz   Sep-12-11 11:42 AM   #9 
  - I don't have a huge problem with it.  Xithras   Sep-12-11 11:50 AM   #12 
  - The kid's 13. You leave her the hell alone.  Goblinmonger   Sep-12-11 10:05 PM   #112 
  - Oh, dear. I don't see the issue here, really.  MineralMan   Sep-12-11 11:50 AM   #13 
  - Agreed. n/t  totodeinhere   Sep-12-11 11:53 AM   #16 
  - Please see my reply #30 to hlthe2b  kag   Sep-12-11 12:07 PM   #35 
  - Just seems like a "slice of life" story to me.  MineralMan   Sep-12-11 12:10 PM   #39 
  - Agree.  LeftishBrit   Sep-12-11 05:29 PM   #104 
  - Sounds like everyone handled the situation in what each thought was the best way possible, and no  Brickbat   Sep-12-11 11:51 AM   #15 
  - 13 years old? Shouldn't she already be married to a pastor?  Ezlivin   Sep-12-11 11:54 AM   #18 
  - Both of your children  H2O Man   Sep-12-11 11:56 AM   #19 
  - !  OhioChick   Sep-12-11 11:58 AM   #23 
  - Yeah, my "people skills" suck. Welcome to my ignore list.  kag   Sep-12-11 12:12 PM   #46 
     - Thank you.  H2O Man   Sep-12-11 12:13 PM   #49 
  - I don't see the problem -  lynne   Sep-12-11 11:57 AM   #22 
  - Sigh. Once again, please see my reply #30 to hlthe2b  kag   Sep-12-11 12:20 PM   #64 
     - Perhaps given the overwhelming number of similar responses...  hlthe2b   Sep-12-11 12:22 PM   #68 
        - Yeah. It taught me where to find the ignore button.  kag   Sep-12-11 12:44 PM   #80 
           - You're going to miss a great deal if you use that ignore  MineralMan   Sep-12-11 12:51 PM   #83 
              - Yeah. That's kind of the point.  kag   Sep-12-11 01:02 PM   #88 
                 - Well, alrighty, then.  MineralMan   Sep-12-11 01:06 PM   #90 
                    - I was kind of thinking I would keep you.  kag   Sep-12-11 01:11 PM   #93 
  - Someone encouraged your daughter to keep an open mind? The horror! (nt)  Nye Bevan   Sep-12-11 11:59 AM   #24 
  - Can you imagine if it had been reversed? An atheist telling the Xtian woman's daughter  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 12:01 PM   #27 
  - There would be a thousand posts about "militant atheists"  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-12-11 01:08 PM   #91 
  - + a brazillion n/t  trotsky   Sep-12-11 01:30 PM   #96 
  - We don't do that anymore  Leontius   Sep-12-11 02:27 PM   #97 
     - Man, I gotta keep up.  Arugula Latte   Sep-13-11 09:52 AM   #123 
  - yea some people carry their atheism around like a sword  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:12 PM   #45 
  - Um, yeah, right  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:17 PM   #57 
  - nope they do it too i never said they didnt  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:22 PM   #69 
     - Don't be a self-loathing atheist  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:24 PM   #73 
  - ...and some people carry their beliefs around like a pillow...  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:17 PM   #59 
  - yes atheist and the religious alike  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:23 PM   #72 
  - "keep an open mind" != "smothering" (nt)  Nye Bevan   Sep-12-11 12:29 PM   #75 
     - No need to get upset with me...Just posing the other side of things.  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:46 PM   #82 
  - I'd say the Christian woman was the one swinging her sword.  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 12:23 PM   #70 
  - Yeah, because it's so easy to be an atheist in this country.  Goblinmonger   Sep-12-11 10:07 PM   #113 
     - As I interpreted this, it was not in your country but mine, and it's a different situation  LeftishBrit   Sep-13-11 02:51 AM   #117 
        - I understand the differences in your country  Goblinmonger   Sep-13-11 07:58 AM   #119 
  - The woman only wanted the girl to have an open mind until she found Jeezus  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:14 PM   #51 
     - LOL!  City of Mills   Sep-12-11 12:20 PM   #65 
  - Always one of my favorite Christian arguments  NeedleCast   Sep-12-11 12:00 PM   #25 
  - And, also, they never say anything like: "God really chapped my ass when he made me lose my job"  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 12:03 PM   #31 
     - This is not really true...  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:04 PM   #33 
     - ,"Why the hell is God doing this to ME???!!!" this is the reason  leftyohiolib   Sep-12-11 12:16 PM   #56 
        - You do understand, don't you, that athiests don't belive in god.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-12-11 01:19 PM   #94 
     - Yes, another logical inconsistancy of that faith-based argument  NeedleCast   Sep-12-11 12:13 PM   #48 
        - See my post above yours.  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:14 PM   #53 
        - Right. That makes me crazy. They conveniently overlook the slaughter of 3,000.  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 12:19 PM   #63 
           - Yes, god certainly works in mysterious ways  NeedleCast   Sep-12-11 12:34 PM   #77 
  - Your kids are great. Your daughter is a gem.  immoderate   Sep-12-11 12:00 PM   #26 
  - Thank you...  kag   Sep-12-11 12:55 PM   #85 
  - Fellow Atheist parent fist-bump!  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:06 PM   #34 
  - THANK YOU!  kag   Sep-12-11 12:34 PM   #76 
     - Keep in mind, only a small percentage respond.  immoderate   Sep-12-11 03:26 PM   #102 
  - As usual, what should be a reasonable discussion of religious  kestrel91316   Sep-12-11 12:07 PM   #36 
  - Actually, most in this thread seem to lean towards "keep an open mind".  Nye Bevan   Sep-12-11 12:11 PM   #41 
  - this is a hate fest?  grasswire   Sep-12-11 12:14 PM   #50 
     - Oh, the drama.  Arugula Latte   Sep-12-11 12:23 PM   #71 
  - I think your problem is that you wrote this over...  a la izquierda   Sep-12-11 12:15 PM   #55 
  - Really? Did I say he was rude? Did I say he liked to...  kag   Sep-12-11 12:40 PM   #79 
  - I think this might have gone better if you had chosen a word other than  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-12-11 12:18 PM   #61 
  - We just always smile and say "May the force be with you"..we..  Tikki   Sep-12-11 12:19 PM   #62 
  - Anythiing you post in GD, somebody will chew your ass and second guess your motives.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-12-11 12:21 PM   #66 
  - Greek Gods  FreeJoe   Sep-12-11 12:27 PM   #74 
  - NICE  Mr Dixon   Sep-12-11 12:34 PM   #78 
  - That was mild enough to be acceptable  Warpy   Sep-12-11 01:04 PM   #89 
  - "The reason I'm an atheist is because..."  ChillbertKChesterton   Sep-12-11 01:10 PM   #92 
  - I wish I could remember.  kag   Sep-12-11 01:20 PM   #95 
  - Hey, if "keep an open mind" was the worst we faced, we'd be much better off.  dtexdem   Sep-12-11 02:39 PM   #98 
  - I think that one thing that may put this in a slightly different perspective...  LeftishBrit   Sep-12-11 05:22 PM   #103 
  - I appreciate your perspective.  kag   Sep-13-11 09:59 AM   #125 
  - Belief systems are the END, not the beginning of all wisdom ... !!  defendandprotect   Sep-12-11 06:18 PM   #105 
  - Sometimes you can't help overhearing other people's conversations.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-12-11 06:45 PM   #109 
  - For the record... I enjoyed your post.  TBA   Sep-12-11 09:12 PM   #110 
  - Thank you. That helps. n/t  kag   Sep-13-11 09:43 AM   #121 
  - I enjoyed your post too.  trotsky   Sep-13-11 06:11 AM   #118 
  - "Keep an open mind" is pretty innocuous and actually good advice  NMMNG   Sep-13-11 09:16 AM   #120 

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