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Wed Sep-07-11 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #79 |
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Just look at all of the historical evidence; Anne Rice, Stephanie Meyer, Charlaine Harris, Bram Stoker....
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| -For those who claim Jesus did not exist listen to Bart Ehrman - the unbeliever. |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 12:44 AM |
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Pfftttt. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Sep-06-11 12:52 AM |
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Very few of us Atheists/Agnostics deny that there was a historical Jesus... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 12:58 AM |
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I can respect that. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 01:00 AM |
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The same here. |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-06-11 02:46 AM |
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um, actually there are quite a few, especially within the skeptic |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-06-11 06:41 AM |
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+1 nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 10:27 AM |
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I've heard that before. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Sep-21-11 08:12 PM |
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Insufficient evidence. |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 10:27 AM |
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Yeah, don't get hung up on that census thing. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 03:53 PM |
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Interesting. I'll try to fit it in. nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 05:01 PM |
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Also - it depends on WHICH JC from the NT |
Taverner |
Sep-16-11 01:52 PM |
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Although - let me play devil's advocate here |
Taverner |
Sep-16-11 01:51 PM |
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You need to watch "The God Who Wasn't There." |
LAGC |
Sep-06-11 01:00 AM |
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I have. It can be dismantled and debunked too easily. |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 01:01 AM |
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Please share with the rest of us who aren't as informed as you. |
LAGC |
Sep-06-11 01:05 AM |
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"The God Who Wasn't There" free on youtube... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 01:08 AM |
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No, thanks. Deification seems to be a normal human impulse. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 01:23 AM |
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Deification might indeed be a "normal human impulse", but your argument is beyond stupid... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 01:38 AM |
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Edit that last word in your subject line |
Angry Dragon |
Sep-06-11 01:44 AM |
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edited, and I apologize. I wasn't thinking. /nt |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 01:48 AM |
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THANK YOU |
Angry Dragon |
Sep-06-11 01:55 AM |
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You might want to change your profile ... |
Nihil |
Sep-06-11 11:36 AM |
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moderator or not, I was called out for using a word I shouldn't have, and stand corrected. /nt |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 11:52 AM |
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Fair enough - I just thought the tone of the response was out of line. Never mind. (n/t) |
Nihil |
Sep-06-11 12:02 PM |
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The "Jesus myth" has persisted for 20,000 years? |
LAGC |
Sep-06-11 02:26 AM |
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That was a case of "happy fingers" or "typing while drunk". Let's say 2k? (which was what I meant) |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 02:58 AM |
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I think Buddha has Jesus beat by about 500+ years, if I'm not mistaken... |
LAGC |
Sep-06-11 03:04 AM |
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Closer to 400 years, and I get your point, but Buddhists fucking BORE me... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 03:13 AM |
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What do you mean by an advancement in Religion? |
eShirl |
Sep-06-11 04:35 AM |
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By "advancement" I mean a religion that has tangibly made it's people more just, loving, tolerant... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 05:31 AM |
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Oh, good grief. Now that is both ignorant and silly. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 11:42 AM |
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It is neither ignorant nor silly. Do you have anything better than "ad hominem" attacks... |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 11:49 AM |
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Once upon a time, I was returning from a Rainbow Gathering, |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Sep-08-11 12:07 AM |
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That is ignorant horeshit. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 10:13 AM |
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Actually, the ignorance is yours, read your history, son. Myanmar, Thailand, Sri Lanka, WW2 Japan.. |
Rabblevox |
Sep-06-11 11:46 AM |
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Well, if you consider Jesus a name of the dying and reviving god like Tammuz |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 11:32 AM |
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What makes you think it's any different? |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 10:34 AM |
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Anthro 101? |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 11:23 AM |
#35 |
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You are confusing |
edhopper |
Sep-06-11 11:37 AM |
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Uh,no I'm not. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 12:08 PM |
#45 |
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Not assuming anything |
edhopper |
Sep-06-11 01:22 PM |
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Most so-called primative people deify their ancestors. |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 01:21 PM |
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Well, because they aren't relatives of most of us, for one thing. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 03:43 PM |
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Yeah, but their images were everywhere... |
Deep13 |
Sep-06-11 05:09 PM |
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I'd like to see that debunking as well, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 06:35 PM |
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he existed |
Skittles |
Sep-06-11 01:20 AM |
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Sigh. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 01:30 AM |
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very articulate |
Skittles |
Sep-06-11 01:42 AM |
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Probably not. |
aquart |
Sep-06-11 11:37 AM |
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Jesus was the personification of the Sun |
moobu2 |
Sep-06-11 08:19 AM |
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Someone whose name was changed to Jesus from Joshua or something |
MineralMan |
Sep-06-11 08:27 AM |
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Without the conversion |
edhopper |
Sep-06-11 09:08 AM |
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Probably so. Christianity worked well for the Romans. |
MineralMan |
Sep-06-11 09:14 AM |
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Doubtful. Christianity was spreading like wildfire in the mid-200s AD. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 10:18 AM |
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That is contrary to everything I've ever read about Constantine. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 06:41 PM |
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Christianity grew faster than all the other Eastern cults during the 3rd Century, IIRC. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 07:20 PM |
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I'd like a source on that, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 07:26 PM |
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It is mentioned in a book I'm reading right now. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 09:21 PM |
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After which it was squashed, resurrected, and then squashed again, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 09:40 PM |
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the persecutions actually strengthened the religion. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-07-11 07:26 PM |
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Under Diocletian? |
darkstar3 |
Sep-07-11 07:37 PM |
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That's highly speculative, and not what a typical history says |
muriel_volestrangler |
Sep-08-11 05:42 PM |
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The problem with the claim |
darkstar3 |
Sep-08-11 06:57 PM |
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… something like Brian |
Lost-in-FL |
Sep-06-11 04:00 PM |
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Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-14-11 05:50 PM |
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I think there was a popular preacher at the time period named Yeshua ben Yosef, but that is it. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 09:59 AM |
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Let's face it |
edhopper |
Sep-06-11 10:11 AM |
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Neither guy came prepared for that little debate they had... |
Silent3 |
Sep-06-11 01:00 PM |
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The real question should be: |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 01:17 PM |
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Full of confirmation bias and assumptions. -1. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-06-11 02:00 PM |
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And totally logical. Bart Ehrman has been arguing the point for years. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 02:54 PM |
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When you already believe the conclusion, is easy to create the storyline. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-06-11 09:21 PM |
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I never thought I would see the day when Bart Ehrman was |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 10:24 PM |
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A professor of Religious Studies does not a historian make. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 10:31 PM |
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He is also an historian. So those who have studied a specific area |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 10:45 PM |
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Historians don't generally focus on one particular book. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 10:56 PM |
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Most PhD's have one area to which they devote most of their efforts and are experts in that area. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-06-11 11:25 PM |
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Which means he's an expert in theology, not history. |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 11:50 PM |
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Well bum, as you like to say, where you see contradiction, I see confirmation. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-07-11 09:20 AM |
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Except I am the one seeing confirmation here, not contradiction. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 11:49 AM |
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Oh, of course you are. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-08-11 09:30 AM |
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No, you were asked to cite a historical journal that affirmed the ressurection of Jesus. |
laconicsax |
Sep-06-11 11:57 PM |
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"My response has been to point out that Jesus is the most well attested historical figure..." |
laconicsax |
Sep-06-11 03:38 PM |
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Completely fallacious |
darkstar3 |
Sep-06-11 06:32 PM |
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So why don't we have names of these historians? |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-06-11 07:44 PM |
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Like when RW pundits go "some people say". |
Odin2005 |
Sep-06-11 09:22 PM |
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We don't know if Jesus actually existed. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-06-11 11:53 PM |
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Atheists are funny when their nonbeliefs are threatened. |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 12:58 AM |
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No corroboration in outside sources from the NT |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-07-11 01:31 AM |
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Its funny how believers will use ANY writing about jesus as "historical" evidence... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-07-11 09:29 AM |
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No, I do not know anything of the sort.On the contrary, I feel that much |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 12:00 PM |
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And that is what makes it invalid. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-07-11 12:14 PM |
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If that is the case, then every court decision based on anything but |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 12:57 PM |
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Scientific hypotheses are put forth |
edhopper |
Sep-07-11 01:26 PM |
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Bingo! |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 01:47 PM |
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And since there is no ancient writing |
edhopper |
Sep-07-11 03:35 PM |
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Lots of ancient Greek myths are "corroborated" by other ancient writings... |
LAGC |
Sep-07-11 03:45 PM |
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How many people during that time were even literate? And how many |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 11:07 PM |
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There are significant events in the Gospels which never happened. |
laconicsax |
Sep-08-11 01:58 AM |
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Well I'm sure glad you told me those things never happened. You must be |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 02:18 AM |
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The point you're missing humblebum... |
LAGC |
Sep-08-11 04:02 AM |
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That is a VERY common atheist retort and a logical fallacy. |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 12:50 PM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
laconicsax |
Sep-08-11 02:44 PM |
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Sad but true. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 03:10 PM |
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I found a shirt you may like: |
laconicsax |
Sep-08-11 09:20 AM |
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That is one serious case of denial of the facts you have there. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-08-11 09:32 AM |
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C'mon, cleanhippie. You know that where you see contradiction, he sees confirmation. |
laconicsax |
Sep-08-11 09:35 AM |
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"Facts are facts are facts" And facts recorded 2000 years are |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 12:55 PM |
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Did Herod order the 'massacre of the innocents'? |
laconicsax |
Sep-08-11 02:36 PM |
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Like I said, you can neither prove nor disprove those events. My answer is |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 02:49 PM |
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No, those events cannot be PROVEN. Period. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-08-11 03:38 PM |
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Well at least you got it half right. Next time I need to find a definitive |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 03:45 PM |
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I don't care where you get it, as long as it's accurate, and what I stated is. Period. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-08-11 07:15 PM |
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Hardly. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-08-11 10:37 PM |
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You're absolutely right--the Romans were notorious for shoddy record keeping. |
laconicsax |
Sep-11-11 09:33 PM |
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It has little to do with how the records were kept and everything to |
humblebum |
Sep-11-11 11:04 PM |
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Like I said, the Romans rarely recorded what was done and who was involved. |
laconicsax |
Sep-12-11 10:13 PM |
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If you want to go that route, we can use the same rigorous standards to determine that: |
laconicsax |
Sep-07-11 04:19 PM |
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Actually, one theory about the mention of giants in Genesis |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-16-11 03:38 PM |
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That's quite a stretch. |
laconicsax |
Sep-16-11 04:17 PM |
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Very insightful, honest, and perceptive. nt |
humblebum |
Sep-16-11 04:45 PM |
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Circumstantial evidence is the best evidence. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-07-11 05:23 PM |
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Circumstantial evidence is also subjective evidence, And you also |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 06:27 PM |
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Hearsay isn't even circumstantial evidence. |
laconicsax |
Sep-07-11 06:42 PM |
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Circumstantial evidence when scientific is NOT subjective. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-07-11 09:46 PM |
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The Amanda Knox case is a good example where DNA results |
humblebum |
Sep-07-11 10:31 PM |
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Vampires exist |
NMMNG |
Sep-07-11 10:05 PM |
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There's an awful lot of writing about Jay Gatsby. |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-07-11 06:50 PM |
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No...I went to school with someone who knew the friend of a friend of Jay's |
laconicsax |
Sep-07-11 07:06 PM |
#93 |
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