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116. SOME Christians are trying to shove god down our throats as you put it.
Some are trying to make this country a fundamentalist theocracy. Some have succeeded elsewhere in the world and Christians historically have ruled as theocrats.

I dispute your claim that faith in god/Jesus has done anything. What is the factual basis for your claim. Just because two things happen at once--faith, quitting drugs--does not mean one thing caused the other. It may be the person attributes the improvement to faith when he reality that person did it on his or her own. Indeed, relying on divine interventions necessarily means being one ones own because said intervention never happens. And what about the vast numbers of people who turned their lives over to god and were screwed anyway. We KNOW those people exist. You really can't give credit to faith for the successes without taking blame for the failures. And there are a lot of failures. Consider A.A. whose whole program is based on turning ones life over to god. They have a minuscule success rate and a failure rate of over 90%. It doesn't work.
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  -Positive side of Christianity MellowOne  Sep-05-11 12:06 PM   #0 
  - "Christians are the largest prosecuted group in the world". NO, they are not.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 12:09 PM   #1 
  - Read this  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:19 PM   #5 
     - The guy who wrote that article calls himself a "Holy Spirit Examiner."  Lucian   Sep-05-11 12:31 PM   #7 
     - BECAUSE of christianity? If thats the case, then child-raping priests do that BECAUSE of it too.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 01:01 PM   #19 
        - Because I was commenting on the positive side  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:06 PM   #25 
           - Exactly my point.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 02:30 PM   #46 
           - So....  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 03:51 PM   #61 
  - Hmmm...  Lucian   Sep-05-11 12:11 PM   #2 
  - I seriously doubt  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:47 PM   #14 
     - You seriously doubt it? What, do you live under a rock?  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 01:02 PM   #20 
     - Dude, I've seen that too.  bengalherder   Sep-05-11 01:16 PM   #29 
     - You are making generalized statements  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:44 PM   #33 
        - OK, you are now taking the role of cultie abuser  bengalherder   Sep-05-11 02:29 PM   #44 
        - They invented it.  immoderate   Sep-05-11 02:29 PM   #45 
        - You are in a traumatised state. I was exactly like you once.  anAustralianobserver   Sep-05-11 06:37 PM   #81 
        - As darkstar pointed out in another thread...  LAGC   Sep-06-11 12:46 AM   #101 
     - Yeah they do.  Deep13   Sep-06-11 06:08 PM   #117 
  - The most positive thing that Christians have done for me is to give me a day off on December 25th  Orrex   Sep-05-11 12:14 PM   #3 
  - Hey, this reminds me --  klook   Sep-05-11 09:02 PM   # 
     - This war calls for heavy artillery  Orrex   Sep-05-11 11:15 PM   #99 
  - Largest prosecuted group?  klook   Sep-05-11 12:14 PM   #4 
  - It was a typo  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:48 PM   #15 
  - One can only wish. nt  Lost-in-FL   Sep-05-11 02:10 PM   #37 
  - How about all the politicians and people out there that  Angry Dragon   Sep-05-11 12:29 PM   #6 
  - Chances of the US becoming an actual theocracy are slim to none.  humblebum   Sep-05-11 12:35 PM   #9 
  - I am fine with atheocracy  Lost-in-FL   Sep-05-11 01:02 PM   #21 
  - Some do yearn for the old Soviet Union. NT  humblebum   Sep-05-11 01:34 PM   #32 
     - Tee hee  Lost-in-FL   Sep-05-11 02:02 PM   #36 
  - LOL! Once again, you show your profound ignorance.  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 01:53 PM   #35 
     - You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think it can safely  humblebum   Sep-05-11 02:11 PM   #38 
        - Uh huh, that's what I thought you'd say.  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 03:26 PM   #55 
           - Don't blame me. The Court made the ruling. And believe your opinions  humblebum   Sep-05-11 03:39 PM   #56 
              - Like it or not, you live in an atheocracy, AKA a secular democracy.  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 03:44 PM   #57 
                 - God bless America. nt  humblebum   Sep-05-11 04:28 PM   #66 
  - What people are trying to turn the USA into a Theocracy?  LARED   Sep-05-11 05:35 PM   #77 
     - I believe I said politicians and people  Angry Dragon   Sep-05-11 05:47 PM   #78 
        - Well that depends on what God is telling them to do  LARED   Sep-05-11 05:56 PM   #79 
  - Prosecuted, er, Persecuted by who, exactly?  xfundy   Sep-05-11 12:31 PM   #8 
  - It was a typo  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:44 PM   #12 
  - This is not a difficult question to answer  AmericaIsGreat   Sep-05-11 12:38 PM   #10 
  - You totally missed the point of my post.  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:45 PM   #13 
     - It would seem that everyone missed it. Perhaps there just wasn't one to begin with.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 01:04 PM   #22 
        - I made a profound point  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:14 PM   #28 
           - Thats a nice straw-man you have there. No one "blamed god" for anything.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 02:32 PM   #47 
           - You don't get to choose whether your point is profound.  darkstar3   Sep-05-11 03:49 PM   #58 
  - My problem with this is pretty simple...  aSpeckofDust   Sep-05-11 12:39 PM   #11 
  - Excellent question  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 12:55 PM   #17 
     - Ahh, the "transformation." That explains it all. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 01:04 PM   #24 
     - It's very easy to laugh  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:11 PM   #26 
        - Oh, I understand it quite well.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 02:35 PM   #48 
     - That didn't actually answer the question..  aSpeckofDust   Sep-05-11 01:28 PM   #30 
     - Oh  NMMNG   Sep-05-11 09:40 PM   #98 
     - Wouldn't secular therapy be more helpful, it has a better track record, after all...  Humanist_Activist   Sep-08-11 11:15 AM   #144 
  - If "god" wants me to "find Jesus" I'm sure he/she/it will figure out  The Velveteen Ocelot   Sep-05-11 12:50 PM   #16 
  - I totally agree with you  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:04 PM   #23 
  - Pagans are pretty persecuted too.  bengalherder   Sep-05-11 12:56 PM   #18 
  - "Christians are the largest persecuted group in the world."  Lost-in-FL   Sep-05-11 01:12 PM   #27 
  - +1  darkstar3   Sep-05-11 03:50 PM   #59 
  - Are Christians being  frogmarch   Sep-05-11 01:31 PM   #31 
  - Are you kidding me?  MellowOne   Sep-05-11 01:48 PM   #34 
  - We are being adult.  bengalherder   Sep-05-11 02:16 PM   #39 
  - This is a forum in which to discuss religion. There's a  frogmarch   Sep-05-11 02:21 PM   #40 
  - I liked your post.  rug   Sep-05-11 02:23 PM   #42 
  - On a previous thread, you agreed that the idea of Christians being persecuted in the USA  trotsky   Sep-05-11 08:26 PM   #91 
     - You were expecting consistency?  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 08:30 PM   #92 
     - How could you ever formulate a post without a smiley?  rug   Sep-10-11 10:57 PM   #150 
        - It might take a post of yours with more than a subject line.  laconicsax   Sep-11-11 10:47 PM   #151 
     - Not at all. In fact, you've just confirmed the predictability.  rug   Sep-10-11 10:56 PM   #149 
        - You did not address the question, but instead changed the subject.  trotsky   Sep-12-11 06:28 AM   #153 
  - How does ridicule=persecution? Ridicule is an aspect of Freedom of Expression.  Adsos Letter   Sep-05-11 02:50 PM   #52 
  - Because we all didn't bow down to your profoundness?  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 03:56 PM   #63 
  - Oh, please. Whenever YOU are ready to have the adult conversation...  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 05:22 PM   #72 
  - Oh, please  skepticscott   Sep-06-11 03:32 AM   #103 
  - Persecuted does not mean what you think it means.....  Marrah_G   Sep-07-11 12:30 AM   #136 
  - You are really exhibiting a sort of paranoia if you feel that everyone who  David Sky   Sep-12-11 01:01 PM   #157 
  - That chart looks more like this:  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 03:53 PM   #62 
     - Pac Man! :-)  frogmarch   Sep-05-11 05:35 PM   #76 
  - xtianity is a death cult. Very negative.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-05-11 02:23 PM   #41 
  - Christianity is based on life after death.  humblebum   Sep-05-11 02:27 PM   #43 
     - Um, not two choices there.  bengalherder   Sep-05-11 02:38 PM   #49 
     - If you noticed, I inserted the term "generally". nt  humblebum   Sep-05-11 03:12 PM   #53 
     - "And I don't have to be a christian to believe I live on in some quantum form after death"  humblebum   Sep-05-11 03:21 PM   #54 
     - Indeed, since only one qualifies as a cult.  immoderate   Sep-05-11 02:44 PM   #50 
     - Atheism believes you should help people in the HERE AND NOW.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-05-11 04:28 PM   #67 
        - "Atheism believes you should help people in the HERE AND NOW."  humblebum   Sep-05-11 04:49 PM   #71 
           - Whaddya know, you are wrong again.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 05:26 PM   #74 
              - Well don't tell me, tell the guy who said "Atheism believes...." nt  humblebum   Sep-05-11 06:47 PM   #83 
                 - Go ahead! Spill the beans! Publish the entire "atheist belief system."  immoderate   Sep-05-11 07:08 PM   #86 
                    - Shhhhhhhh! It's a secret!  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 09:00 PM   #94 
                    - Let me start over.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-05-11 09:08 PM   #96 
                       - I hope you mean this for post #83.  immoderate   Sep-05-11 09:16 PM   #97 
     - I don't think you understand the meaning of "death cult."  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 03:58 PM   #64 
     - Who worships death? We worship the one who rose from the dead. Otherwise,  humblebum   Sep-05-11 04:31 PM   #68 
        - The major symbol is a torture device.  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 04:37 PM   #69 
        - Do you believe that death is the end result of all who live? nt  humblebum   Sep-05-11 04:44 PM   #70 
           - Yes. We all die. There is no afterlife.  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 05:31 PM   #75 
              - Hey, how about a spoiler warning!  pokerfan   Sep-08-11 03:32 PM   #147 
        - What's your evidence that happened?  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 06:00 PM   #80 
           - christianity doesn't claim objective proof, but I base my belief upon  humblebum   Sep-05-11 06:52 PM   #84 
              - Thousands of historians say Jesus rose from the dead?  Goblinmonger   Sep-05-11 07:48 PM   #88 
              - Well, that's a load!  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 07:56 PM   #89 
              - Well, One well known scholar who thinks Jesus existed is Bart Ehrman.  humblebum   Sep-06-11 12:39 AM   #100 
              - HAHAHAHAHA!  laconicsax   Sep-06-11 12:26 PM   #108 
                 - where did I say there was anyone who could prove that Jesus rose?  humblebum   Sep-06-11 04:44 PM   #111 
                    - Right here:  laconicsax   Sep-06-11 05:23 PM   #113 
                       - You're right. There is as much written about his death and resurrection as  humblebum   Sep-06-11 05:27 PM   #114 
                          - And it's all hearsay.  laconicsax   Sep-06-11 06:00 PM   #115 
                             - The bulk of ancient history can be considered hearsay. nt  humblebum   Sep-06-11 07:42 PM   #118 
                                - Only if you don't know how historians corroborate ancient history.  darkstar3   Sep-06-11 10:58 PM   #128 
                                - Only if you reject corroborating sources.  laconicsax   Sep-06-11 11:15 PM   #130 
              - Maybe he just popped into being out of nothingness then out again.  humblebum   Sep-07-11 01:07 AM   #138 
                 - Uh huh.  laconicsax   Sep-07-11 01:40 PM   #143 
              - Oh. My. God. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 09:02 PM   #95 
                 - Absolutely. Some people think there is more to enquiry and reasoning than  humblebum   Sep-06-11 04:50 PM   #112 
                    - Since when did thinking = imagining?  cleanhippie   Sep-06-11 09:23 PM   #121 
                       - Let's see? Imagining? Is that kinda like thinking outside the box and  humblebum   Sep-06-11 10:20 PM   #125 
                          - Imagination is not exploration.  darkstar3   Sep-06-11 10:22 PM   #126 
                          - Well imagine that! nt  humblebum   Sep-06-11 10:48 PM   #127 
                             - I can imagine a lot of things.  darkstar3   Sep-06-11 11:01 PM   #129 
                                - At least we know another one of those 'other ways of knowing.'  laconicsax   Sep-06-11 11:21 PM   #131 
                                   - When that hearsay is accompanied with a large amount of subjective and supporting  humblebum   Sep-06-11 11:30 PM   #132 
                                   - So UFO abductions are valid, now?  darkstar3   Sep-06-11 11:52 PM   #134 
                                   - Don't forget about Bigfoot.  laconicsax   Sep-07-11 01:39 PM   #142 
                                   - Sure, its a common method of getting gullible people to believe, like the vaccine/autism stuff.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:34 AM   #140 
                                   - You asshole!  LAGC   Sep-07-11 01:00 AM   #137 
                          - And when there is no evidence to support it, it stays imagination.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:31 AM   #139 
     - There you go again, with your dishonest postings.  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 05:24 PM   #73 
        - When that becomes evident from the statements and actions of  humblebum   Sep-05-11 06:55 PM   #85 
           - No god, no sacred writings, no rituals, no requirements, no prophets...  immoderate   Sep-05-11 07:18 PM   #87 
           - Um? leaders, worship, etc., but no god.  humblebum   Sep-06-11 07:20 AM   #105 
              - I see, any hierarchy, any group that has a convention, is a religion.  immoderate   Sep-06-11 09:48 AM   #107 
                 - If you will notice in the billing off to the right, it also says  humblebum   Sep-06-11 12:49 PM   #109 
                    - Whatever helps you rationalize your behavior.  darkstar3   Sep-06-11 08:37 PM   #120 
                    - Teaching is a religion? Teaching about religion is a religion?  immoderate   Sep-06-11 09:51 PM   #122 
                    - If teaching is a religion, then humblebum is praying at our altar.  cleanhippie   Sep-06-11 10:13 PM   #124 
                    - Notice how humblebum never resonds to factual rebuttals of his nonsense?  cleanhippie   Sep-08-11 12:26 PM   #145 
                    - I guess that makes my college a religion  NMMNG   Sep-06-11 09:57 PM   #123 
           - Yeah, sure it is. You keep believing that, ok?  cleanhippie   Sep-05-11 08:59 PM   #93 
           - Atheists make Democrats look like army ants by comparison..  Fumesucker   Sep-06-11 01:17 AM   #102 
  - "Christians aren't trying to shove God down your throat..."  EvolveOrConvolve   Sep-05-11 02:49 PM   #51 
  - "It doesn't take much effort to read or hear about someone who has turned their life around..."  laconicsax   Sep-05-11 03:50 PM   #60 
  - Let's count the outright falsehoods.  darkstar3   Sep-05-11 04:06 PM   #65 
  - Right  NMMNG   Sep-05-11 06:41 PM   #82 
  - That'd be the backside view of them leaving my property. (n/t)  Iggo   Sep-05-11 08:24 PM   #90 
  - persecuted group?  deacon_sephiroth   Sep-06-11 04:27 AM   #104 
  - There is definitely a positive side of Christianity.  trotsky   Sep-06-11 08:10 AM   #106 
  - There are a lot of Unitarian-universalist Atheists.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-06-11 02:51 PM   #110 
  - I have no faith in Unitarian Atheists.  Deep13   Sep-06-11 08:33 PM   #119 
     - It's a good place to make atheist friends.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-06-11 11:52 PM   #133 
        - Good thing to keep in mind. nt  Deep13   Sep-07-11 11:00 AM   #141 
  - SOME Christians are trying to shove god down our throats as you put it.  Deep13   Sep-06-11 06:06 PM   #116 
  - As a Wiccan I find it hard to see Christians as persecuted  Marrah_G   Sep-07-11 12:28 AM   #135 
  - I would disagree with your first sentence  LeftishBrit   Sep-08-11 02:41 PM   #146 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-11 10:23 PM   #148 
  - I'm going to let you in on a secret: We already know and we're not interested.  LeftyMom   Sep-12-11 01:12 AM   #152 
  - Wait, what? You don't want to be constantly accosted by god-botherers? Thats persecution, you know.  cleanhippie   Sep-12-11 08:40 AM   #154 
     - I do love the Biblical mandate to bang on my door at 8 am on Saturdays,  LeftyMom   Sep-12-11 09:13 AM   #155 
  - Wait - what? "Most persecuted group in the world???"  Taverner   Sep-12-11 12:25 PM   #156 

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