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What am I supposed to do? Support religion based on a nostalgia for a time I've never known? Perhaps the religious institutions, in particular the most visible ones, such as the Catholic church, carry most of the blame for retreating into social conservatism and apologia for the rich and the powerful?  |
| -The vilification of modern religion drove the left from the church, and/or the church from the left. |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:03 AM |
#0 |
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REASON is driving people away from religion |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 11:13 AM |
#1 |
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Agreed 100% nt |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 11:46 AM |
#10 |
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Then it is the FIRST mission of the left to Destroy, Eliminate and quell religion? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:48 AM |
#14 |
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Not just the Left - it should be a priority for all rational thinkers. n/t |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 11:50 AM |
#16 |
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How should we go about "destroying" religion? |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#41 |
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Just like we destroyed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny... |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 12:31 PM |
#70 |
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Aaah! I missed this comment. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:39 PM |
#73 |
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have fun crusading |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 02:06 PM |
#120 |
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I'm still wondering how they destroy something that isn't real in the first place. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:32 PM |
#182 |
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We have a mission? Why wasn't I told? n/t |
msanthrope |
Aug-24-11 12:47 PM |
#77 |
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Shhh! And whatever you do... |
onager |
Aug-24-11 06:39 PM |
#152 |
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+ infinity |
Lucian |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#55 |
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+1 One of my all time favorite quotes. nt |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 01:25 PM |
#104 |
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Is there only one way to understanding? How does one account for idiot savants? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:03 PM |
#118 |
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I don't debate philsophy with delusionals |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 02:05 PM |
#119 |
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Speaking of the ir-rational, how do you arrive at that conclusion on next to no empirical evidence? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:13 PM |
#123 |
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Touche'! - n/t |
Jim__ |
Aug-24-11 04:23 PM |
#140 |
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Thanks! I should have asked if he knows even the most general stuff about Quantum Physics. But it |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:30 PM |
#141 |
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Pray, do tell, explain the phenomena known as "idiot savants" to us please. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:14 PM |
#124 |
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Whatever it is, it is a matter of mind and brain workings - purely |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:24 PM |
#145 |
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I didn't say it was religious. And yes it can be rationally described. But I was also suggesting |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:53 PM |
#169 |
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Come on - that's asking a fish to define water. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:26 PM |
#181 |
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My point is that there are types of knowing that are not the same as that used in the statement: |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:42 PM |
#184 |
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Define those other kinds of knowing, please. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:52 PM |
#188 |
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Are you going to pull out the pins and dancing angels next? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:55 PM |
#189 |
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I actually know several scientists working in that area. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:57 AM |
#230 |
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Is hostility possibly evidence of bias? nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:16 PM |
#125 |
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Is hostility possilby evidence of impatience with idiocy? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:26 PM |
#146 |
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What empirical evidence do you have that I am an idiot? You're not even certain what I think as you |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:56 PM |
#170 |
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I know what you are attempting, in vain, to do - to prove with |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:38 PM |
#183 |
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What rationalist asks a question like "What other evidence do I need?" wow. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:49 PM |
#187 |
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Have you made a god out of yourself? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:16 PM |
#126 |
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Meaningless question. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:27 PM |
#147 |
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If one assumes omnipotence, whether one calls it religion or reason, is it not still omnipotence? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:58 PM |
#172 |
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What atheist could EVER claim a belief in omnipotence? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:46 PM |
#186 |
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On the matter of reason, would you care to discuss the nature of proof? nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:18 PM |
#127 |
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Proof: the repeatable effect of experimentation. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:29 PM |
#148 |
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I'm not trying to proove that god exists. Just saying that what we call proof has nothing to say |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:48 PM |
#168 |
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Are animals delusional, hence we are incapable or learning anything from them? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:04 PM |
#137 |
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Meaningless question. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:33 PM |
#149 |
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If one says knowing cannot be other than rational, animals who demonstrate no rational capacities |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:07 PM |
#174 |
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What is not delusional about not recognizing the limitations of reason? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:07 PM |
#138 |
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All ratiionalists recognize the limitations of knowledge - and that is |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:34 PM |
#150 |
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I do understand that. I was just using the operational definition of knowing that I found here. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:15 PM |
#177 |
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The truth is, there is no such thing as Truth. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:21 PM |
#144 |
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Therefore, not even that statement is true. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:08 PM |
#175 |
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i.e. The statement is a meaningless artifact of RELATIVE language used in an ABSOLUTE way. nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:20 PM |
#180 |
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Wrong. It is true. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:58 PM |
#190 |
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The type of REASON that atheists engage in or claim as the |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 02:40 PM |
#129 |
| -
Give an atheist PROOF of anything existing outside physical existence |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:38 PM |
#151 |
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The only proof that is on display here is that which stuck in the form of reasoning |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 07:19 PM |
#159 |
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Using big words does not make a belief in the non-existant any more believable. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:20 PM |
#179 |
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"what, other than science and mathematics, exists?" Um? |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 10:15 PM |
#192 |
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LOL! |
laconicsax |
Aug-24-11 10:33 PM |
#193 |
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FYI, ALL of those disciplines utilize forms of the Scientific Method, |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 11:39 PM |
#196 |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
laconicsax |
Aug-24-11 11:57 PM |
#197 |
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Contemporary status within philosophy: |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 12:08 AM |
#198 |
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Contemporary status of wikipedia: bunk. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 12:12 AM |
#199 |
| -
OK, Einstein. Here's another quick source. We can |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 12:24 AM |
#201 |
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Very good. Now show how you're not shadowboxing a straw man. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 12:39 AM |
#203 |
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Sorry, that doesn't cut it. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 01:04 AM |
#204 |
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Never did I say that positivism was not a success, only that it |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 02:15 AM |
#205 |
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Too restrictive=doesn't make shit up. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 01:18 PM |
#209 |
| -
You don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 04:12 PM |
#210 |
| -
You know, positive self-talk is best when it's positive. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 05:03 PM |
#212 |
| -
Did you blather something else? nt |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 05:08 PM |
#213 |
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You keep using that word... |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 11:07 PM |
#220 |
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This article you link to defeats one of your most common arguments |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 08:07 AM |
#206 |
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Where did I say that everyone who objects to"other ways of knowing" is always a "logical positivist |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 11:33 AM |
#207 |
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You may not say, "You logical positivist, you!" |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 10:05 PM |
#218 |
| -
There is a very good reason for referring to " how 'dead' logical positivism is" |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 11:35 PM |
#221 |
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I know, it's so confining to be limited to what's real. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 12:27 AM |
#226 |
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Yes, and nothing is really a something. I know how you think. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 01:26 PM |
#245 |
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No, nothing is nothing and something is something else. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 02:22 PM |
#246 |
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Your increasingly basic stuff is all conjecture. Mere hypothesis. |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 02:54 PM |
#247 |
| -
Haven't changed a thing. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 03:57 PM |
#249 |
| -
Logically impossible unless you change the definition of 'nothing'. |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 04:10 PM |
#250 |
| -
Sorry, wrong. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 04:20 PM |
#251 |
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Total supposition. It is necessary to create such a paradigm |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 04:27 PM |
#252 |
| -
Prae hoc ergo propter hoc? |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 04:45 PM |
#253 |
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Ex nihilo nihil fit was theorized just a while before. You are still dealing |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 05:05 PM |
#255 |
| -
Uh huh. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 05:14 PM |
#256 |
| -
The complaints about logical positivism... |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 07:05 AM |
#227 |
| -
I'm glad you're learning new things. I'm well aware of the difference between |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 01:23 PM |
#244 |
| -
My point is trying to figure out where your point is... |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 04:45 PM |
#254 |
| -
You are sure spending a lot of time spouting off about how wrong I am |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 05:16 PM |
#257 |
| -
bingo. No evidence, no basis for complaint. nt |
Deep13 |
Aug-25-11 08:40 PM |
#215 |
| -
It's that whole narrow-mined proofy thing that's the problem! |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 09:57 AM |
#233 |
| -
+1 'Nuff said. nt |
Deep13 |
Aug-24-11 07:21 PM |
#161 |
| -
Nice broad brush. (eom) |
Sal316 |
Aug-25-11 12:33 PM |
#208 |
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Baloney - all politicians of every party at every level have to kowtow to religion |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 11:16 AM |
#2 |
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i think if you look here at du |
Beer Snob-50 |
Aug-24-11 11:39 AM |
#5 |
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Here - on a powerless, ignored fringe site? Compared to the folks who pass laws? Wanna trade? nt |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 11:55 AM |
#22 |
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What a shame. |
trotsky |
Aug-24-11 02:41 PM |
#130 |
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i am just responding to the opening tread.... |
Beer Snob-50 |
Aug-24-11 03:52 PM |
#136 |
| -
Then why make an issue of it? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:42 PM |
#153 |
| -
Ginned up by many with persecution complexes. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:21 PM |
#162 |
| -
It's still... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Aug-24-11 11:36 AM |
#3 |
| -
It's boring and predictable |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 11:44 AM |
#8 |
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The constant invoking of the invisible deity in every aspect of life is boring and predictable. |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#30 |
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Thanks for proving my point. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#39 |
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You're welcome! Any time! |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#43 |
| -
Jesus has Voltaire beaten by an order of magnitude. :3 nt |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 11:46 AM |
#11 |
| -
That's because it's easier for the masses to embrace fantasy over reason. nt |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#21 |
| -
sorry I wasn't clear. |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#36 |
| -
But that never stops you from killing him again. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#54 |
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I like the trend line |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 11:39 AM |
#4 |
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What is your opinion of the life the nun in the NYT's article led? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:42 AM |
#7 |
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Not sure I understand the question? |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#19 |
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The point is not to ridicule or alienate religion in the party. Freedom to choose |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 11:41 AM |
#6 |
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Nope. We don't want any of those gun toters or Bible toters in our party. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 11:45 AM |
#9 |
| -
What about a gun totin, God believin, pot smoker? |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 11:47 AM |
#12 |
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Heretic! |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#31 |
| -
Speak for yourself... |
MicaelS |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#24 |
| -
Amen to all that. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#34 |
| -
The people you disparage are the last defenders of the first amendment. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:25 PM |
#164 |
| -
In your overactive imagination, I'm sure that's true. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 10:51 PM |
#194 |
| -
And you know anything about my imagination how, exactly? |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 11:02 PM |
#195 |
| -
Your insight is refreshing to hear. |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#38 |
| -
IOW, Bush's support of gun proliferation is what put the right wing in power. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:19 PM |
#62 |
| -
No, the Left's continued refusal to support the RKBA |
MicaelS |
Aug-24-11 12:26 PM |
#67 |
| -
A party cannot be all things to all people. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:23 PM |
#163 |
| -
I don't have anything against either one of those groups as long as they aren't fascist. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:27 PM |
#69 |
| -
I'm all for freedom of religion.. |
JackDragna |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#101 |
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Dude, if somebody is going to tell me there are sky fairies that know if you |
snooper2 |
Aug-24-11 01:29 PM |
# |
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Odd that OP is about religious hostilities, when this article makes a much more important pointabout |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 11:48 AM |
#13 |
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The church is leaving health care. That means good liberal people are gone too. Replaced by executiv |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#20 |
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Please cut the mystical mumbo-jumbo. Lots of people do good w/o any white-bearded white man deity |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:00 PM |
#28 |
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It is their motivator. What would you have replace it? The gap-year? One lump sum towards goodness? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:03 PM |
#32 |
| -
Common sense can inspire |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#45 |
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Agreed. That's how it turns out for me. It's also concrete & physical, not mumbo-jumbo. I was just |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:16 PM |
#58 |
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Or simple humanity perhaps. |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 12:11 PM |
#49 |
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Human nature. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#51 |
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There are plenty of religious people who have absolutely nothing to do with white-bearded old men. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#47 |
| -
Okay, conceded. I was being hyperbolic. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#53 |
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Oh my, how sweetly rational of you; I think I like you! nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:18 PM |
#59 |
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:-) I not above admitting that I'm just plain wrong sometimes. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:22 PM |
#63 |
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Re being wrong > Chomsky (and others tell us) all language is hypothetical. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
#71 |
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I personally believe that motivator, of which you speak, is innate. Religion can enhance or extingui |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#42 |
| -
We know that this is our only trip around the sun |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:23 PM |
#65 |
| -
There's another trip departing tomorrow. Have fun with it. :) |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:25 PM |
#66 |
| -
+ A Brazillion |
undeterred |
Aug-24-11 01:06 PM |
#93 |
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Agreed, except for "Replaced by executive..." They're going to be replaced by ChurchCo |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:19 PM |
#97 |
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+ 1,000,000 |
undeterred |
Aug-24-11 01:43 PM |
#111 |
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The article has nothing to do with liberals; and what about contraception and Catholic healthcare? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Aug-24-11 02:31 PM |
#128 |
| -
Who is to replace those who do good in the belief that as god's children they must help |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:49 PM |
#154 |
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Someone else said it better: |
LWolf |
Aug-24-11 11:49 AM |
#15 |
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Well said. |
dgibby |
Aug-24-11 12:04 PM |
#33 |
| -
It is so very sad. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:23 PM |
#64 |
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+1000 |
Desertrose |
Aug-24-11 12:18 PM |
#60 |
| -
Agreed. and re your last sentence: the same can be said of "the Left". The modern Left, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:14 PM |
#95 |
| -
I'm not sure who the "modern left" is, to be honest. |
LWolf |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#102 |
| -
I don't know either. I have doubts about any kind of Left that does not value dialectic. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:38 PM |
#108 |
| -
What makes you think the left does not value dialectic discussion? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:56 PM |
#155 |
| -
Yeah |
edhopper |
Aug-24-11 11:52 AM |
#17 |
| -
Bullshit. The realization that the idea of a sky daddy presiding over |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 11:53 AM |
#18 |
| -
Must you mock belief? |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:27 PM |
#68 |
| -
For some of the religious Left, it's not a deity, but something more like the emergent |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:45 PM |
#74 |
| -
I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:46 PM |
#75 |
| -
Agreed about DU. It's pretty hypocritical in a lot of ways. I'm a Liberal Leftie and I love |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:02 PM |
#90 |
| -
Why is stating the truth an "attack" from your perspective. If you are going to |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 01:13 PM |
#94 |
| -
You're not stating "a truth." You're stating your opinion. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 03:27 PM |
#133 |
| -
And there is exactly the problem - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 07:05 PM |
#156 |
| -
Being made to feel uncomfortable != loss of a right |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 10:40 PM |
#219 |
| -
Nobody questions your right to believe in God and Jesus. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:34 AM |
#241 |
| -
Where's the mocking? Is truth now considered mocking? |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 12:55 PM |
#84 |
| -
Well, |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:57 PM |
#86 |
| -
But that's not what I said and it's not what I meant. |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 01:04 PM |
#91 |
| -
Religion should be personal and private, not part of the political process. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 01:05 PM |
#92 |
| -
and I could laugh at you for the inability to distinguish absence of belief from belief in absence. |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 01:22 PM |
#100 |
| -
Important point, that. nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:42 PM |
#110 |
| -
Watching a thread about religion here is like visiting a shark tank. |
Union Scribe |
Aug-24-11 01:29 PM |
#107 |
| -
I'll stop mocking beliefs when holy books stop calling me an abomination. |
Occulus |
Aug-24-11 02:01 PM |
#117 |
| -
You have the right to believe anything you want. |
edhopper |
Aug-24-11 07:56 PM |
#171 |
| -
In order: |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:19 PM |
#178 |
| -
. |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 12:50 PM |
#79 |
| -
Lol, boy the "rational" sure are bitter, sharp-toothed ranters... |
Union Scribe |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#103 |
| -
Not necessarily true. |
SoCalDem |
Aug-24-11 11:56 AM |
#23 |
| -
Religion vilified anyone who thinks women should be in control of their bodies |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#25 |
| -
I would rather see us attack those ideas, while supporting the good. Highlight the Pfleger's ...... |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#40 |
| -
Perhaps the bigotry you perceive is not religious, but rather ECONOMIC. Nuns do more for less. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#26 |
| -
Good freaking riddance. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 11:59 AM |
#27 |
| -
What a steaming pantload! |
Quantess |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#29 |
| -
I don't think your theory is correct |
blogslut |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#35 |
| -
Ooh, can't have women becoming priests! |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#46 |
| -
And there ARE tensions between the Vatican and female religious orders. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:21 PM |
#99 |
| -
So the community that claims the President, the VP and most |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#37 |
| -
My point is to criticize the absolutism of those opposed to religion, the throwing the baby out with |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:09 PM |
#44 |
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Who in American politics is 'opposed to religion'? |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-24-11 01:27 PM |
#106 |
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As opposed to the absolutism of condemning people to hell forever? nt |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 01:44 PM |
#112 |
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Why, then, do you not try to agree with their secular ideas while |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:13 PM |
#176 |
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I left over birth control |
EC |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#48 |
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REC. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:12 PM |
#50 |
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In politically correct society "believing in nothing" is frowned upon |
cpwm17 |
Aug-24-11 12:47 PM |
#76 |
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I don't have a problem with atheists or agnostics. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:49 PM |
#78 |
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Everybody believes in something, and a lot of things. |
cpwm17 |
Aug-24-11 01:46 PM |
#113 |
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Damn! A "No True Atheist" post!!! |
onager |
Aug-24-11 07:10 PM |
#157 |
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+1 |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:35 PM |
#165 |
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You know what? As an athiest, I'd rather believe in something I feel is true then believe |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:51 PM |
#80 |
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I believe in the seperation of church and state. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:54 PM |
#83 |
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I would tend to say, rather, that the villification of the left drove the left from the church. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#52 |
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In re: |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:19 PM |
#61 |
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Oh, speaking of vilification: |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#56 |
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Hello, "The Enlightenment"?? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-11 12:16 PM |
#57 |
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What's wrong with separating religion and politics completely?... |
SidDithers |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
#72 |
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A. The article is about a MEDICAL administrator. A regime of faith-based initiatives is headed our |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:52 PM |
#81 |
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Exactly. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:37 PM |
#166 |
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Religion hasn't been a rallying point for social justice in my lifetime. |
Romulox |
Aug-24-11 12:53 PM |
#82 |
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Google: Roman Catholic Father Michael Pfleger. |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 01:01 PM |
#89 |
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I did |
Sentath |
Aug-24-11 01:41 PM |
#109 |
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No, he is not. He was for a brief moment - and he did not back down from the statement |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 04:55 PM |
#142 |
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I am named after a populist preaching RC priest who worked in SE Kansas after WWII. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:48 PM |
#114 |
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I just did some reading on Father Quinn. Sounds like a great man. |
Romulox |
Aug-24-11 02:46 PM |
#131 |
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And yet, for blue collar workers in the NE, Central Americans, Chinese, Burmese, Africans and so man |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 04:57 PM |
#143 |
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For people who pride ourselves on rationality, we don't do math very well. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-24-11 12:56 PM |
#85 |
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"90% of americans believe in God." n/t |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:58 PM |
#87 |
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So the Left wins when we get those guys out of the way first. Hmmmm, let me think about that one.... |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:59 PM |
#88 |
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Actually, that's not true. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-25-11 12:22 AM |
#200 |
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A few problems with that. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:39 PM |
#167 |
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When modern religion is consistently reactionary.. |
JackDragna |
Aug-24-11 01:15 PM |
#96 |
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I disagree. First of all, in America even the Left is still overwhelmingly religious |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-24-11 01:20 PM |
#98 |
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+1,000,000,000 & All of that has intense significance within the ECONOMIC context of Health Care |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:26 PM |
#105 |
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By George, I think he's got it! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-24-11 02:10 PM |
#121 |
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Christianity has to a big extent driven Christ from the church, at least in America.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-24-11 01:53 PM |
#115 |
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Agreed. It should be destroyed as an organization for fucking up their mission. Unfortunately, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:11 PM |
#122 |
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Jesus said "I come not in peace but with a sword." He said lots of violent and hateful things. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Aug-25-11 04:34 PM |
#211 |
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"He said lots of violent and hateful things" |
AlecBGreen |
Aug-26-11 09:07 AM |
#232 |
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The politics of American Christianity villified itself with ethical people everywhere. |
DirkGently |
Aug-24-11 01:53 PM |
#116 |
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No you don't understand |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 02:59 PM |
#132 |
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Possibly religion is being made to lie on the bed (of nails) it made for itself, eh? |
DirkGently |
Aug-24-11 03:45 PM |
#135 |
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When any believer in any of the Abrahamic religions |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 03:44 PM |
#134 |
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Their point is that evidence is not necessary. Your point is that evidence is necessary. Therefore, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:22 PM |
#139 |
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Yet another example of someone who wishes atheists to stop criticizing religion. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:46 PM |
#185 |
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Because the left doesn't allow religion to dictate the planks of our platform. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:14 PM |
#158 |
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Well put. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-25-11 12:25 AM |
#202 |
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Regarding your disclaimer at the end. |
Deep13 |
Aug-24-11 07:20 PM |
#160 |
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Blasphemy is free speech. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:59 PM |
#173 |
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That's great. so when I say "organized atheism is an extremely bigoted movement"- |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 07:28 PM |
#214 |
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It's legal, but inaccurate. |
Deep13 |
Aug-25-11 08:42 PM |
#216 |
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Yes, but when such groups openly call for "ridicule" and even "hatred" |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 09:25 PM |
#217 |
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No groups have done that. Only Christopher Hitchens has said that. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 11:52 PM |
#222 |
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Why do you put out such crap? Hitchens said that to a round of applause |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:03 AM |
#223 |
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Thank you for proving my point. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-26-11 12:04 AM |
#224 |
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And mine also. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:12 AM |
#225 |
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Hitchens says all kinds of things, and is deliberately provocative. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 08:06 AM |
#231 |
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Another word for the type of ridicule used by Hitchens and a |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 09:58 AM |
#234 |
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Some atheists are bigots. I've said so already. So are some members of all groups. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 10:02 AM |
#235 |
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I am really not talking about individual atheists. People like Hitchens |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 10:13 AM |
#237 |
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By the same token... |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:13 AM |
#238 |
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"like eating a ham sandwich in front of the congregation in a synagogue" |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 11:28 AM |
#240 |
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And you are obviously not the descendant of Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe (nt) |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:36 AM |
#242 |
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Perhaps I should have said Russian Orthodox instead of Catholic.nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:18 PM |
#243 |
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False equivalency. |
Deep13 |
Aug-26-11 03:30 PM |
#248 |
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Yes. You can say that, just like you can say 'government healthcare leads to death panels' or |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:40 AM |
#229 |
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"While some atheists are bigoted against members of some or all religions, most aren't." |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 10:04 AM |
#236 |
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I am not a member of any 'organized atheist' group! |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:18 AM |
#239 |
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The woman's movement gave women outlets other than church to express themselves, solve problems. |
applegrove |
Aug-24-11 09:54 PM |
#191 |
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PS - As regards the nun in the OP |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:21 AM |
#228 |
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