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Response to Reply #3
8. It's boring and predictable
If DU is any indication.

"Religion is a myth! It's all fairy tales! I'm so much smarter than you because I can THINK for myself and use REASON! Olive Garden is not real Italian food!"

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  -The vilification of modern religion drove the left from the church, and/or the church from the left. nomb  Aug-24-11 11:03 AM   #0 
  - REASON is driving people away from religion  Lance_Boyle   Aug-24-11 11:13 AM   #1 
  - Agreed 100% nt  hifiguy   Aug-24-11 11:46 AM   #10 
  - Then it is the FIRST mission of the left to Destroy, Eliminate and quell religion?  nomb   Aug-24-11 11:48 AM   #14 
  - Not just the Left - it should be a priority for all rational thinkers. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Aug-24-11 11:50 AM   #16 
  - How should we go about "destroying" religion?  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 12:08 PM   #41 
  - Just like we destroyed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny...  Lance_Boyle   Aug-24-11 12:31 PM   #70 
  - Aaah! I missed this comment.  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:39 PM   #73 
     - have fun crusading  Lance_Boyle   Aug-24-11 02:06 PM   #120 
     - I'm still wondering how they destroy something that isn't real in the first place.  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:32 PM   #182 
  - We have a mission? Why wasn't I told? n/t  msanthrope   Aug-24-11 12:47 PM   #77 
     - Shhh! And whatever you do...  onager   Aug-24-11 06:39 PM   #152 
  - + infinity  Lucian   Aug-24-11 12:15 PM   #55 
  - +1 One of my all time favorite quotes. nt  hifiguy   Aug-24-11 01:25 PM   #104 
  - Is there only one way to understanding? How does one account for idiot savants?  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:03 PM   #118 
  - I don't debate philsophy with delusionals  Lance_Boyle   Aug-24-11 02:05 PM   #119 
  - Speaking of the ir-rational, how do you arrive at that conclusion on next to no empirical evidence?  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:13 PM   #123 
  - Touche'! - n/t  Jim__   Aug-24-11 04:23 PM   #140 
     - Thanks! I should have asked if he knows even the most general stuff about Quantum Physics. But it  patrice   Aug-24-11 04:30 PM   #141 
  - Pray, do tell, explain the phenomena known as "idiot savants" to us please.  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:14 PM   #124 
  - Whatever it is, it is a matter of mind and brain workings - purely  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:24 PM   #145 
  - I didn't say it was religious. And yes it can be rationally described. But I was also suggesting  patrice   Aug-24-11 07:53 PM   #169 
     - Come on - that's asking a fish to define water.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:26 PM   #181 
        - My point is that there are types of knowing that are not the same as that used in the statement:  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:42 PM   #184 
           - Define those other kinds of knowing, please.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 08:52 PM   #188 
           - Are you going to pull out the pins and dancing angels next?  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:55 PM   #189 
  - I actually know several scientists working in that area.  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 07:57 AM   #230 
  - Is hostility possibly evidence of bias? nt  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:16 PM   #125 
  - Is hostility possilby evidence of impatience with idiocy? nt  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:26 PM   #146 
     - What empirical evidence do you have that I am an idiot? You're not even certain what I think as you  patrice   Aug-24-11 07:56 PM   #170 
        - I know what you are attempting, in vain, to do - to prove with  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:38 PM   #183 
           - What rationalist asks a question like "What other evidence do I need?" wow.  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:49 PM   #187 
  - Have you made a god out of yourself?  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:16 PM   #126 
  - Meaningless question.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:27 PM   #147 
     - If one assumes omnipotence, whether one calls it religion or reason, is it not still omnipotence?  patrice   Aug-24-11 07:58 PM   #172 
        - What atheist could EVER claim a belief in omnipotence?  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:46 PM   #186 
  - On the matter of reason, would you care to discuss the nature of proof? nt  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:18 PM   #127 
  - Proof: the repeatable effect of experimentation.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:29 PM   #148 
     - I'm not trying to proove that god exists. Just saying that what we call proof has nothing to say  patrice   Aug-24-11 07:48 PM   #168 
  - Are animals delusional, hence we are incapable or learning anything from them?  patrice   Aug-24-11 04:04 PM   #137 
  - Meaningless question.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:33 PM   #149 
     - If one says knowing cannot be other than rational, animals who demonstrate no rational capacities  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:07 PM   #174 
  - What is not delusional about not recognizing the limitations of reason?  patrice   Aug-24-11 04:07 PM   #138 
     - All ratiionalists recognize the limitations of knowledge - and that is  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:34 PM   #150 
        - I do understand that. I was just using the operational definition of knowing that I found here.  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:15 PM   #177 
  - The truth is, there is no such thing as Truth.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:21 PM   #144 
     - Therefore, not even that statement is true.  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:08 PM   #175 
        - i.e. The statement is a meaningless artifact of RELATIVE language used in an ABSOLUTE way. nt  patrice   Aug-24-11 08:20 PM   #180 
        - Wrong. It is true.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:58 PM   #190 
  - The type of REASON that atheists engage in or claim as the  humblebum   Aug-24-11 02:40 PM   #129 
  - Give an atheist PROOF of anything existing outside physical existence  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:38 PM   #151 
     - The only proof that is on display here is that which stuck in the form of reasoning  humblebum   Aug-24-11 07:19 PM   #159 
     - Using big words does not make a belief in the non-existant any more believable.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:20 PM   #179 
        - "what, other than science and mathematics, exists?" Um?  humblebum   Aug-24-11 10:15 PM   #192 
           - LOL!  laconicsax   Aug-24-11 10:33 PM   #193 
              - FYI, ALL of those disciplines utilize forms of the Scientific Method,  humblebum   Aug-24-11 11:39 PM   #196 
                 - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  laconicsax   Aug-24-11 11:57 PM   #197 
                    - Contemporary status within philosophy:  humblebum   Aug-25-11 12:08 AM   #198 
                       - Contemporary status of wikipedia: bunk.  darkstar3   Aug-25-11 12:12 AM   #199 
                       - OK, Einstein. Here's another quick source. We can  humblebum   Aug-25-11 12:24 AM   #201 
                          - Very good. Now show how you're not shadowboxing a straw man.  darkstar3   Aug-25-11 12:39 AM   #203 
                       - Sorry, that doesn't cut it.  laconicsax   Aug-25-11 01:04 AM   #204 
                       - Never did I say that positivism was not a success, only that it  humblebum   Aug-25-11 02:15 AM   #205 
                          - Too restrictive=doesn't make shit up.  laconicsax   Aug-25-11 01:18 PM   #209 
                             - You don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. nt  humblebum   Aug-25-11 04:12 PM   #210 
                                - You know, positive self-talk is best when it's positive.  laconicsax   Aug-25-11 05:03 PM   #212 
                                   - Did you blather something else? nt  humblebum   Aug-25-11 05:08 PM   #213 
                                      - You keep using that word...  laconicsax   Aug-25-11 11:07 PM   #220 
                       - This article you link to defeats one of your most common arguments  Silent3   Aug-25-11 08:07 AM   #206 
                          - Where did I say that everyone who objects to"other ways of knowing" is always a "logical positivist  humblebum   Aug-25-11 11:33 AM   #207 
                             - You may not say, "You logical positivist, you!"  Silent3   Aug-25-11 10:05 PM   #218 
                                - There is a very good reason for referring to " how 'dead' logical positivism is"  humblebum   Aug-25-11 11:35 PM   #221 
                                   - I know, it's so confining to be limited to what's real.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 12:27 AM   #226 
                                   - Yes, and nothing is really a something. I know how you think. nt  humblebum   Aug-26-11 01:26 PM   #245 
                                      - No, nothing is nothing and something is something else.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 02:22 PM   #246 
                                         - Your increasingly basic stuff is all conjecture. Mere hypothesis.  humblebum   Aug-26-11 02:54 PM   #247 
                                            - Haven't changed a thing.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 03:57 PM   #249 
                                            - Logically impossible unless you change the definition of 'nothing'.  humblebum   Aug-26-11 04:10 PM   #250 
                                            - Sorry, wrong.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 04:20 PM   #251 
                                            - Total supposition. It is necessary to create such a paradigm  humblebum   Aug-26-11 04:27 PM   #252 
                                            - Prae hoc ergo propter hoc?  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 04:45 PM   #253 
                                            - Ex nihilo nihil fit was theorized just a while before. You are still dealing  humblebum   Aug-26-11 05:05 PM   #255 
                                            - Uh huh.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 05:14 PM   #256 
                                   - The complaints about logical positivism...  Silent3   Aug-26-11 07:05 AM   #227 
                                      - I'm glad you're learning new things. I'm well aware of the difference between  humblebum   Aug-26-11 01:23 PM   #244 
                                         - My point is trying to figure out where your point is...  Silent3   Aug-26-11 04:45 PM   #254 
                                            - You are sure spending a lot of time spouting off about how wrong I am  humblebum   Aug-26-11 05:16 PM   #257 
     - bingo. No evidence, no basis for complaint. nt  Deep13   Aug-25-11 08:40 PM   #215 
     - It's that whole narrow-mined proofy thing that's the problem!  Silent3   Aug-26-11 09:57 AM   #233 
  - +1 'Nuff said. nt  Deep13   Aug-24-11 07:21 PM   #161 
  - Nice broad brush. (eom)  Sal316   Aug-25-11 12:33 PM   #208 
  - Baloney - all politicians of every party at every level have to kowtow to religion  dmallind   Aug-24-11 11:16 AM   #2 
  - i think if you look here at du  Beer Snob-50   Aug-24-11 11:39 AM   #5 
     - Here - on a powerless, ignored fringe site? Compared to the folks who pass laws? Wanna trade? nt  dmallind   Aug-24-11 11:55 AM   #22 
     - What a shame.  trotsky   Aug-24-11 02:41 PM   #130 
     - i am just responding to the opening tread....  Beer Snob-50   Aug-24-11 03:52 PM   #136 
        - Then why make an issue of it? nt  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:42 PM   #153 
     - Ginned up by many with persecution complexes.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:21 PM   #162 
  - It's still...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-24-11 11:36 AM   #3 
  - It's boring and predictable  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 11:44 AM   #8 
  - The constant invoking of the invisible deity in every aspect of life is boring and predictable.  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 12:02 PM   #30 
     - Thanks for proving my point.  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 12:06 PM   #39 
        - You're welcome! Any time!  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 12:08 PM   #43 
  - Jesus has Voltaire beaten by an order of magnitude. :3 nt  sudopod   Aug-24-11 11:46 AM   #11 
  - That's because it's easier for the masses to embrace fantasy over reason. nt  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 11:54 AM   #21 
     - sorry I wasn't clear.  sudopod   Aug-24-11 12:05 PM   #36 
  - But that never stops you from killing him again. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 12:15 PM   #54 
  - I like the trend line  Bragi   Aug-24-11 11:39 AM   #4 
  - What is your opinion of the life the nun in the NYT's article led?  nomb   Aug-24-11 11:42 AM   #7 
     - Not sure I understand the question?  Bragi   Aug-24-11 11:54 AM   #19 
  - The point is not to ridicule or alienate religion in the party. Freedom to choose  RegieRocker   Aug-24-11 11:41 AM   #6 
  - Nope. We don't want any of those gun toters or Bible toters in our party.  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 11:45 AM   #9 
  - What about a gun totin, God believin, pot smoker?  RegieRocker   Aug-24-11 11:47 AM   #12 
  - Heretic!  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 12:02 PM   #31 
  - Speak for yourself...  MicaelS   Aug-24-11 11:58 AM   #24 
  - Amen to all that.  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 12:05 PM   #34 
  - The people you disparage are the last defenders of the first amendment.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:25 PM   #164 
     - In your overactive imagination, I'm sure that's true.  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 10:51 PM   #194 
        - And you know anything about my imagination how, exactly?  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 11:02 PM   #195 
  - Your insight is refreshing to hear.  RegieRocker   Aug-24-11 12:06 PM   #38 
  - IOW, Bush's support of gun proliferation is what put the right wing in power.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 12:19 PM   #62 
  - No, the Left's continued refusal to support the RKBA  MicaelS   Aug-24-11 12:26 PM   #67 
  - A party cannot be all things to all people.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:23 PM   #163 
  - I don't have anything against either one of those groups as long as they aren't fascist.  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:27 PM   #69 
  - I'm all for freedom of religion..  JackDragna   Aug-24-11 01:23 PM   #101 
  - Dude, if somebody is going to tell me there are sky fairies that know if you  snooper2   Aug-24-11 01:29 PM   # 
  - Odd that OP is about religious hostilities, when this article makes a much more important pointabout  patrice   Aug-24-11 11:48 AM   #13 
  - The church is leaving health care. That means good liberal people are gone too. Replaced by executiv  nomb   Aug-24-11 11:54 AM   #20 
     - Please cut the mystical mumbo-jumbo. Lots of people do good w/o any white-bearded white man deity  closeupready   Aug-24-11 12:00 PM   #28 
     - It is their motivator. What would you have replace it? The gap-year? One lump sum towards goodness?  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:03 PM   #32 
     - Common sense can inspire  Bragi   Aug-24-11 12:10 PM   #45 
     - Agreed. That's how it turns out for me. It's also concrete & physical, not mumbo-jumbo. I was just  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:16 PM   #58 
     - Or simple humanity perhaps.  dmallind   Aug-24-11 12:11 PM   #49 
     - Human nature.  closeupready   Aug-24-11 12:13 PM   #51 
     - There are plenty of religious people who have absolutely nothing to do with white-bearded old men.  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:10 PM   #47 
        - Okay, conceded. I was being hyperbolic.  closeupready   Aug-24-11 12:13 PM   #53 
           - Oh my, how sweetly rational of you; I think I like you! nt  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:18 PM   #59 
              - :-) I not above admitting that I'm just plain wrong sometimes.  closeupready   Aug-24-11 12:22 PM   #63 
                 - Re being wrong > Chomsky (and others tell us) all language is hypothetical.  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:37 PM   #71 
     - I personally believe that motivator, of which you speak, is innate. Religion can enhance or extingui  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:08 PM   #42 
     - We know that this is our only trip around the sun  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 12:23 PM   #65 
     - There's another trip departing tomorrow. Have fun with it. :)  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:25 PM   #66 
     - + A Brazillion  undeterred   Aug-24-11 01:06 PM   #93 
     - Agreed, except for "Replaced by executive..." They're going to be replaced by ChurchCo  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:19 PM   #97 
     - + 1,000,000  undeterred   Aug-24-11 01:43 PM   #111 
     - The article has nothing to do with liberals; and what about contraception and Catholic healthcare?  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-24-11 02:31 PM   #128 
     - Who is to replace those who do good in the belief that as god's children they must help  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:49 PM   #154 
  - Someone else said it better:  LWolf   Aug-24-11 11:49 AM   #15 
  - Well said.  dgibby   Aug-24-11 12:04 PM   #33 
  - It is so very sad.  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:23 PM   #64 
  - +1000  Desertrose   Aug-24-11 12:18 PM   #60 
  - Agreed. and re your last sentence: the same can be said of "the Left". The modern Left,  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:14 PM   #95 
     - I'm not sure who the "modern left" is, to be honest.  LWolf   Aug-24-11 01:23 PM   #102 
        - I don't know either. I have doubts about any kind of Left that does not value dialectic.  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:38 PM   #108 
           - What makes you think the left does not value dialectic discussion?  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 06:56 PM   #155 
  - Yeah  edhopper   Aug-24-11 11:52 AM   #17 
  - Bullshit. The realization that the idea of a sky daddy presiding over  CleanGreenFuture   Aug-24-11 11:53 AM   #18 
  - Must you mock belief?  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:27 PM   #68 
  - For some of the religious Left, it's not a deity, but something more like the emergent  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:45 PM   #74 
  - I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want.  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:46 PM   #75 
     - Agreed about DU. It's pretty hypocritical in a lot of ways. I'm a Liberal Leftie and I love  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:02 PM   #90 
     - Why is stating the truth an "attack" from your perspective. If you are going to  CleanGreenFuture   Aug-24-11 01:13 PM   #94 
     - You're not stating "a truth." You're stating your opinion.  Common Sense Party   Aug-24-11 03:27 PM   #133 
     - And there is exactly the problem -  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 07:05 PM   #156 
     - Being made to feel uncomfortable != loss of a right  Silent3   Aug-25-11 10:40 PM   #219 
     - Nobody questions your right to believe in God and Jesus.  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 11:34 AM   #241 
  - Where's the mocking? Is truth now considered mocking?  CleanGreenFuture   Aug-24-11 12:55 PM   #84 
  - Well,  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:57 PM   #86 
     - But that's not what I said and it's not what I meant.  CleanGreenFuture   Aug-24-11 01:04 PM   #91 
     - Religion should be personal and private, not part of the political process.  closeupready   Aug-24-11 01:05 PM   #92 
  - and I could laugh at you for the inability to distinguish absence of belief from belief in absence.  dmallind   Aug-24-11 01:22 PM   #100 
  - Important point, that. nt  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:42 PM   #110 
  - Watching a thread about religion here is like visiting a shark tank.  Union Scribe   Aug-24-11 01:29 PM   #107 
  - I'll stop mocking beliefs when holy books stop calling me an abomination.  Occulus   Aug-24-11 02:01 PM   #117 
  - You have the right to believe anything you want.  edhopper   Aug-24-11 07:56 PM   #171 
  - In order:  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 08:19 PM   #178 
  - .  CleanGreenFuture   Aug-24-11 12:50 PM   #79 
  - Lol, boy the "rational" sure are bitter, sharp-toothed ranters...  Union Scribe   Aug-24-11 01:23 PM   #103 
  - Not necessarily true.  SoCalDem   Aug-24-11 11:56 AM   #23 
  - Religion vilified anyone who thinks women should be in control of their bodies  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 11:58 AM   #25 
  - I would rather see us attack those ideas, while supporting the good. Highlight the Pfleger's ......  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:06 PM   #40 
  - Perhaps the bigotry you perceive is not religious, but rather ECONOMIC. Nuns do more for less.  patrice   Aug-24-11 11:58 AM   #26 
  - Good freaking riddance.  closeupready   Aug-24-11 11:59 AM   #27 
  - What a steaming pantload!  Quantess   Aug-24-11 12:02 PM   #29 
  - I don't think your theory is correct  blogslut   Aug-24-11 12:05 PM   #35 
  - Ooh, can't have women becoming priests!  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 12:10 PM   #46 
     - And there ARE tensions between the Vatican and female religious orders.  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:21 PM   #99 
  - So the community that claims the President, the VP and most  Bluenorthwest   Aug-24-11 12:05 PM   #37 
  - My point is to criticize the absolutism of those opposed to religion, the throwing the baby out with  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:09 PM   #44 
  - Who in American politics is 'opposed to religion'?  LeftishBrit   Aug-24-11 01:27 PM   #106 
  - As opposed to the absolutism of condemning people to hell forever? nt  sudopod   Aug-24-11 01:44 PM   #112 
  - Why, then, do you not try to agree with their secular ideas while  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 08:13 PM   #176 
  - I left over birth control  EC   Aug-24-11 12:10 PM   #48 
  - REC.  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:12 PM   #50 
  - In politically correct society "believing in nothing" is frowned upon  cpwm17   Aug-24-11 12:47 PM   #76 
  - I don't have a problem with atheists or agnostics.  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:49 PM   #78 
     - Everybody believes in something, and a lot of things.  cpwm17   Aug-24-11 01:46 PM   #113 
     - Damn! A "No True Atheist" post!!!  onager   Aug-24-11 07:10 PM   #157 
        - +1  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:35 PM   #165 
  - You know what? As an athiest, I'd rather believe in something I feel is true then believe  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 12:51 PM   #80 
     - I believe in the seperation of church and state.  socialshockwave   Aug-24-11 12:54 PM   #83 
  - I would tend to say, rather, that the villification of the left drove the left from the church.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-11 12:13 PM   #52 
  - In re:  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:19 PM   #61 
  - Oh, speaking of vilification:  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-11 12:15 PM   #56 
  - Hello, "The Enlightenment"??  WinkyDink   Aug-24-11 12:16 PM   #57 
  - What's wrong with separating religion and politics completely?...  SidDithers   Aug-24-11 12:37 PM   #72 
  - A. The article is about a MEDICAL administrator. A regime of faith-based initiatives is headed our  patrice   Aug-24-11 12:52 PM   #81 
  - Exactly.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:37 PM   #166 
  - Religion hasn't been a rallying point for social justice in my lifetime.  Romulox   Aug-24-11 12:53 PM   #82 
  - Google: Roman Catholic Father Michael Pfleger.  nomb   Aug-24-11 01:01 PM   #89 
  - I did  Sentath   Aug-24-11 01:41 PM   #109 
     - No, he is not. He was for a brief moment - and he did not back down from the statement  nomb   Aug-24-11 04:55 PM   #142 
  - I am named after a populist preaching RC priest who worked in SE Kansas after WWII.  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:48 PM   #114 
     - I just did some reading on Father Quinn. Sounds like a great man.  Romulox   Aug-24-11 02:46 PM   #131 
        - And yet, for blue collar workers in the NE, Central Americans, Chinese, Burmese, Africans and so man  nomb   Aug-24-11 04:57 PM   #143 
  - For people who pride ourselves on rationality, we don't do math very well.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-24-11 12:56 PM   #85 
  - "90% of americans believe in God." n/t  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:58 PM   #87 
  - So the Left wins when we get those guys out of the way first. Hmmmm, let me think about that one....  nomb   Aug-24-11 12:59 PM   #88 
  - Actually, that's not true.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-25-11 12:22 AM   #200 
  - A few problems with that.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:39 PM   #167 
  - When modern religion is consistently reactionary..  JackDragna   Aug-24-11 01:15 PM   #96 
  - I disagree. First of all, in America even the Left is still overwhelmingly religious  LeftishBrit   Aug-24-11 01:20 PM   #98 
  - +1,000,000,000 & All of that has intense significance within the ECONOMIC context of Health Care  patrice   Aug-24-11 01:26 PM   #105 
  - By George, I think he's got it!  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-24-11 02:10 PM   #121 
  - Christianity has to a big extent driven Christ from the church, at least in America..  Fumesucker   Aug-24-11 01:53 PM   #115 
  - Agreed. It should be destroyed as an organization for fucking up their mission. Unfortunately,  patrice   Aug-24-11 02:11 PM   #122 
  - Jesus said "I come not in peace but with a sword." He said lots of violent and hateful things.  Manifestor_of_Light   Aug-25-11 04:34 PM   #211 
     - "He said lots of violent and hateful things"  AlecBGreen   Aug-26-11 09:07 AM   #232 
  - The politics of American Christianity villified itself with ethical people everywhere.  DirkGently   Aug-24-11 01:53 PM   #116 
  - No you don't understand  dmallind   Aug-24-11 02:59 PM   #132 
     - Possibly religion is being made to lie on the bed (of nails) it made for itself, eh?  DirkGently   Aug-24-11 03:45 PM   #135 
  - When any believer in any of the Abrahamic religions  hifiguy   Aug-24-11 03:44 PM   #134 
  - Their point is that evidence is not necessary. Your point is that evidence is necessary. Therefore,  patrice   Aug-24-11 04:22 PM   #139 
     - Yet another example of someone who wishes atheists to stop criticizing religion.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 08:46 PM   #185 
  - Because the left doesn't allow religion to dictate the planks of our platform.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:14 PM   #158 
  - Well put. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-25-11 12:25 AM   #202 
  - Regarding your disclaimer at the end.  Deep13   Aug-24-11 07:20 PM   #160 
  - Blasphemy is free speech.  darkstar3   Aug-24-11 07:59 PM   #173 
  - That's great. so when I say "organized atheism is an extremely bigoted movement"-  humblebum   Aug-25-11 07:28 PM   #214 
     - It's legal, but inaccurate.  Deep13   Aug-25-11 08:42 PM   #216 
     - Yes, but when such groups openly call for "ridicule" and even "hatred"  humblebum   Aug-25-11 09:25 PM   #217 
        - No groups have done that. Only Christopher Hitchens has said that.  darkstar3   Aug-25-11 11:52 PM   #222 
        - Why do you put out such crap? Hitchens said that to a round of applause  humblebum   Aug-26-11 12:03 AM   #223 
           - Thank you for proving my point.  darkstar3   Aug-26-11 12:04 AM   #224 
           - And mine also. nt  humblebum   Aug-26-11 12:12 AM   #225 
           - Hitchens says all kinds of things, and is deliberately provocative.  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 08:06 AM   #231 
              - Another word for the type of ridicule used by Hitchens and a  humblebum   Aug-26-11 09:58 AM   #234 
                 - Some atheists are bigots. I've said so already. So are some members of all groups.  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 10:02 AM   #235 
                    - I am really not talking about individual atheists. People like Hitchens  humblebum   Aug-26-11 10:13 AM   #237 
                       - By the same token...  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 11:13 AM   #238 
                          - "like eating a ham sandwich in front of the congregation in a synagogue"  humblebum   Aug-26-11 11:28 AM   #240 
                             - And you are obviously not the descendant of Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe (nt)  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 11:36 AM   #242 
                                - Perhaps I should have said Russian Orthodox instead of Catholic.nt  humblebum   Aug-26-11 12:18 PM   #243 
        - False equivalency.  Deep13   Aug-26-11 03:30 PM   #248 
     - Yes. You can say that, just like you can say 'government healthcare leads to death panels' or  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 07:40 AM   #229 
        - "While some atheists are bigoted against members of some or all religions, most aren't."  humblebum   Aug-26-11 10:04 AM   #236 
           - I am not a member of any 'organized atheist' group!  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 11:18 AM   #239 
  - The woman's movement gave women outlets other than church to express themselves, solve problems.  applegrove   Aug-24-11 09:54 PM   #191 
  - PS - As regards the nun in the OP  LeftishBrit   Aug-26-11 07:21 AM   #228 
 

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