| -The vilification of modern religion drove the left from the church, and/or the church from the left. |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:03 AM |
#0 |
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REASON is driving people away from religion |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 11:13 AM |
#1 |
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Agreed 100% nt |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 11:46 AM |
#10 |
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Then it is the FIRST mission of the left to Destroy, Eliminate and quell religion? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:48 AM |
#14 |
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Not just the Left - it should be a priority for all rational thinkers. n/t |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 11:50 AM |
#16 |
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How should we go about "destroying" religion? |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#41 |
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Just like we destroyed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny... |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 12:31 PM |
#70 |
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Aaah! I missed this comment. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:39 PM |
#73 |
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have fun crusading |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 02:06 PM |
#120 |
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I'm still wondering how they destroy something that isn't real in the first place. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:32 PM |
#182 |
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We have a mission? Why wasn't I told? n/t |
msanthrope |
Aug-24-11 12:47 PM |
#77 |
| -
Shhh! And whatever you do... |
onager |
Aug-24-11 06:39 PM |
#152 |
| -
+ infinity |
Lucian |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#55 |
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+1 One of my all time favorite quotes. nt |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 01:25 PM |
#104 |
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Is there only one way to understanding? How does one account for idiot savants? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:03 PM |
#118 |
| -
I don't debate philsophy with delusionals |
Lance_Boyle |
Aug-24-11 02:05 PM |
#119 |
| -
Speaking of the ir-rational, how do you arrive at that conclusion on next to no empirical evidence? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:13 PM |
#123 |
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Touche'! - n/t |
Jim__ |
Aug-24-11 04:23 PM |
#140 |
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Thanks! I should have asked if he knows even the most general stuff about Quantum Physics. But it |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:30 PM |
#141 |
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Pray, do tell, explain the phenomena known as "idiot savants" to us please. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:14 PM |
#124 |
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Whatever it is, it is a matter of mind and brain workings - purely |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:24 PM |
#145 |
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I didn't say it was religious. And yes it can be rationally described. But I was also suggesting |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:53 PM |
#169 |
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Come on - that's asking a fish to define water. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:26 PM |
#181 |
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My point is that there are types of knowing that are not the same as that used in the statement: |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:42 PM |
#184 |
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Define those other kinds of knowing, please. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:52 PM |
#188 |
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Are you going to pull out the pins and dancing angels next? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:55 PM |
#189 |
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I actually know several scientists working in that area. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:57 AM |
#230 |
| -
Is hostility possibly evidence of bias? nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:16 PM |
#125 |
| -
Is hostility possilby evidence of impatience with idiocy? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:26 PM |
#146 |
| -
What empirical evidence do you have that I am an idiot? You're not even certain what I think as you |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:56 PM |
#170 |
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I know what you are attempting, in vain, to do - to prove with |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:38 PM |
#183 |
| -
What rationalist asks a question like "What other evidence do I need?" wow. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:49 PM |
#187 |
| -
Have you made a god out of yourself? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:16 PM |
#126 |
| -
Meaningless question. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:27 PM |
#147 |
| -
If one assumes omnipotence, whether one calls it religion or reason, is it not still omnipotence? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:58 PM |
#172 |
| -
What atheist could EVER claim a belief in omnipotence? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:46 PM |
#186 |
| -
On the matter of reason, would you care to discuss the nature of proof? nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:18 PM |
#127 |
| -
Proof: the repeatable effect of experimentation. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:29 PM |
#148 |
| -
I'm not trying to proove that god exists. Just saying that what we call proof has nothing to say |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 07:48 PM |
#168 |
| -
Are animals delusional, hence we are incapable or learning anything from them? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:04 PM |
#137 |
| -
Meaningless question. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:33 PM |
#149 |
| -
If one says knowing cannot be other than rational, animals who demonstrate no rational capacities |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:07 PM |
#174 |
| -
What is not delusional about not recognizing the limitations of reason? |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:07 PM |
#138 |
| -
All ratiionalists recognize the limitations of knowledge - and that is |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:34 PM |
#150 |
| -
I do understand that. I was just using the operational definition of knowing that I found here. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:15 PM |
#177 |
| -
The truth is, there is no such thing as Truth. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:21 PM |
#144 |
| -
Therefore, not even that statement is true. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:08 PM |
#175 |
| -
i.e. The statement is a meaningless artifact of RELATIVE language used in an ABSOLUTE way. nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 08:20 PM |
#180 |
| -
Wrong. It is true. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:58 PM |
#190 |
| -
The type of REASON that atheists engage in or claim as the |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 02:40 PM |
#129 |
| -
Give an atheist PROOF of anything existing outside physical existence |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:38 PM |
#151 |
| -
The only proof that is on display here is that which stuck in the form of reasoning |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 07:19 PM |
#159 |
| -
Using big words does not make a belief in the non-existant any more believable. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:20 PM |
#179 |
| -
"what, other than science and mathematics, exists?" Um? |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 10:15 PM |
#192 |
| -
LOL! |
laconicsax |
Aug-24-11 10:33 PM |
#193 |
| -
FYI, ALL of those disciplines utilize forms of the Scientific Method, |
humblebum |
Aug-24-11 11:39 PM |
#196 |
| -
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
laconicsax |
Aug-24-11 11:57 PM |
#197 |
| -
Contemporary status within philosophy: |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 12:08 AM |
#198 |
| -
Contemporary status of wikipedia: bunk. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 12:12 AM |
#199 |
| -
OK, Einstein. Here's another quick source. We can |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 12:24 AM |
#201 |
| -
Very good. Now show how you're not shadowboxing a straw man. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 12:39 AM |
#203 |
| -
Sorry, that doesn't cut it. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 01:04 AM |
#204 |
| -
Never did I say that positivism was not a success, only that it |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 02:15 AM |
#205 |
| -
Too restrictive=doesn't make shit up. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 01:18 PM |
#209 |
| -
You don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 04:12 PM |
#210 |
| -
You know, positive self-talk is best when it's positive. |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 05:03 PM |
#212 |
| -
Did you blather something else? nt |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 05:08 PM |
#213 |
| -
You keep using that word... |
laconicsax |
Aug-25-11 11:07 PM |
#220 |
| -
This article you link to defeats one of your most common arguments |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 08:07 AM |
#206 |
| -
Where did I say that everyone who objects to"other ways of knowing" is always a "logical positivist |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 11:33 AM |
#207 |
| -
You may not say, "You logical positivist, you!" |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 10:05 PM |
#218 |
| -
There is a very good reason for referring to " how 'dead' logical positivism is" |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 11:35 PM |
#221 |
| -
I know, it's so confining to be limited to what's real. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 12:27 AM |
#226 |
| -
Yes, and nothing is really a something. I know how you think. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 01:26 PM |
#245 |
| -
No, nothing is nothing and something is something else. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 02:22 PM |
#246 |
| -
Your increasingly basic stuff is all conjecture. Mere hypothesis. |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 02:54 PM |
#247 |
| -
Haven't changed a thing. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 03:57 PM |
#249 |
| -
Logically impossible unless you change the definition of 'nothing'. |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 04:10 PM |
#250 |
| -
Sorry, wrong. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 04:20 PM |
#251 |
| -
Total supposition. It is necessary to create such a paradigm |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 04:27 PM |
#252 |
| -
Prae hoc ergo propter hoc? |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 04:45 PM |
#253 |
| -
Ex nihilo nihil fit was theorized just a while before. You are still dealing |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 05:05 PM |
#255 |
| -
Uh huh. |
laconicsax |
Aug-26-11 05:14 PM |
#256 |
| -
The complaints about logical positivism... |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 07:05 AM |
#227 |
| -
I'm glad you're learning new things. I'm well aware of the difference between |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 01:23 PM |
#244 |
| -
My point is trying to figure out where your point is... |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 04:45 PM |
#254 |
| -
You are sure spending a lot of time spouting off about how wrong I am |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 05:16 PM |
#257 |
| -
bingo. No evidence, no basis for complaint. nt |
Deep13 |
Aug-25-11 08:40 PM |
#215 |
| -
It's that whole narrow-mined proofy thing that's the problem! |
Silent3 |
Aug-26-11 09:57 AM |
#233 |
| -
+1 'Nuff said. nt |
Deep13 |
Aug-24-11 07:21 PM |
#161 |
| -
Nice broad brush. (eom) |
Sal316 |
Aug-25-11 12:33 PM |
#208 |
| -
Baloney - all politicians of every party at every level have to kowtow to religion |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 11:16 AM |
#2 |
| -
i think if you look here at du |
Beer Snob-50 |
Aug-24-11 11:39 AM |
#5 |
| -
Here - on a powerless, ignored fringe site? Compared to the folks who pass laws? Wanna trade? nt |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 11:55 AM |
#22 |
| -
What a shame. |
trotsky |
Aug-24-11 02:41 PM |
#130 |
| -
i am just responding to the opening tread.... |
Beer Snob-50 |
Aug-24-11 03:52 PM |
#136 |
| -
Then why make an issue of it? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:42 PM |
#153 |
| -
Ginned up by many with persecution complexes. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:21 PM |
#162 |
| -
It's still... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Aug-24-11 11:36 AM |
#3 |
| -
It's boring and predictable |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 11:44 AM |
#8 |
| -
The constant invoking of the invisible deity in every aspect of life is boring and predictable. |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#30 |
| -
Thanks for proving my point. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#39 |
| -
You're welcome! Any time! |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#43 |
| -
Jesus has Voltaire beaten by an order of magnitude. :3 nt |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 11:46 AM |
#11 |
| -
That's because it's easier for the masses to embrace fantasy over reason. nt |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#21 |
| -
sorry I wasn't clear. |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#36 |
| -
But that never stops you from killing him again. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#54 |
| -
I like the trend line |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 11:39 AM |
#4 |
| -
What is your opinion of the life the nun in the NYT's article led? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:42 AM |
#7 |
| -
Not sure I understand the question? |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#19 |
| -
The point is not to ridicule or alienate religion in the party. Freedom to choose |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 11:41 AM |
#6 |
| -
Nope. We don't want any of those gun toters or Bible toters in our party. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 11:45 AM |
#9 |
| -
What about a gun totin, God believin, pot smoker? |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 11:47 AM |
#12 |
| -
Heretic! |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#31 |
| -
Speak for yourself... |
MicaelS |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#24 |
| -
Amen to all that. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#34 |
| -
The people you disparage are the last defenders of the first amendment. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:25 PM |
#164 |
| -
In your overactive imagination, I'm sure that's true. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 10:51 PM |
#194 |
| -
And you know anything about my imagination how, exactly? |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 11:02 PM |
#195 |
| -
Your insight is refreshing to hear. |
RegieRocker |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#38 |
| -
IOW, Bush's support of gun proliferation is what put the right wing in power. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:19 PM |
#62 |
| -
No, the Left's continued refusal to support the RKBA |
MicaelS |
Aug-24-11 12:26 PM |
#67 |
| -
A party cannot be all things to all people. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:23 PM |
#163 |
| -
I don't have anything against either one of those groups as long as they aren't fascist. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:27 PM |
#69 |
| -
I'm all for freedom of religion.. |
JackDragna |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#101 |
| -
Dude, if somebody is going to tell me there are sky fairies that know if you |
snooper2 |
Aug-24-11 01:29 PM |
# |
| -
Odd that OP is about religious hostilities, when this article makes a much more important pointabout |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 11:48 AM |
#13 |
| -
The church is leaving health care. That means good liberal people are gone too. Replaced by executiv |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 11:54 AM |
#20 |
| -
Please cut the mystical mumbo-jumbo. Lots of people do good w/o any white-bearded white man deity |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:00 PM |
#28 |
| -
It is their motivator. What would you have replace it? The gap-year? One lump sum towards goodness? |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:03 PM |
#32 |
| -
Common sense can inspire |
Bragi |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#45 |
| -
Agreed. That's how it turns out for me. It's also concrete & physical, not mumbo-jumbo. I was just |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:16 PM |
#58 |
| -
Or simple humanity perhaps. |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 12:11 PM |
#49 |
| -
Human nature. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#51 |
| -
There are plenty of religious people who have absolutely nothing to do with white-bearded old men. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#47 |
| -
Okay, conceded. I was being hyperbolic. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#53 |
| -
Oh my, how sweetly rational of you; I think I like you! nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:18 PM |
#59 |
| -
:-) I not above admitting that I'm just plain wrong sometimes. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 12:22 PM |
#63 |
| -
Re being wrong > Chomsky (and others tell us) all language is hypothetical. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
#71 |
| -
I personally believe that motivator, of which you speak, is innate. Religion can enhance or extingui |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:08 PM |
#42 |
| -
We know that this is our only trip around the sun |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:23 PM |
#65 |
| -
There's another trip departing tomorrow. Have fun with it. :) |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:25 PM |
#66 |
| -
+ A Brazillion |
undeterred |
Aug-24-11 01:06 PM |
#93 |
| -
Agreed, except for "Replaced by executive..." They're going to be replaced by ChurchCo |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:19 PM |
#97 |
| -
+ 1,000,000 |
undeterred |
Aug-24-11 01:43 PM |
#111 |
| -
The article has nothing to do with liberals; and what about contraception and Catholic healthcare? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Aug-24-11 02:31 PM |
#128 |
| -
Who is to replace those who do good in the belief that as god's children they must help |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:49 PM |
#154 |
| -
Someone else said it better: |
LWolf |
Aug-24-11 11:49 AM |
#15 |
| -
Well said. |
dgibby |
Aug-24-11 12:04 PM |
#33 |
| -
It is so very sad. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:23 PM |
#64 |
| -
+1000 |
Desertrose |
Aug-24-11 12:18 PM |
#60 |
| -
Agreed. and re your last sentence: the same can be said of "the Left". The modern Left, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:14 PM |
#95 |
| -
I'm not sure who the "modern left" is, to be honest. |
LWolf |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#102 |
| -
I don't know either. I have doubts about any kind of Left that does not value dialectic. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:38 PM |
#108 |
| -
What makes you think the left does not value dialectic discussion? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 06:56 PM |
#155 |
| -
Yeah |
edhopper |
Aug-24-11 11:52 AM |
#17 |
| -
Bullshit. The realization that the idea of a sky daddy presiding over |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 11:53 AM |
#18 |
| -
Must you mock belief? |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:27 PM |
#68 |
| -
For some of the religious Left, it's not a deity, but something more like the emergent |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:45 PM |
#74 |
| -
I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:46 PM |
#75 |
| -
Agreed about DU. It's pretty hypocritical in a lot of ways. I'm a Liberal Leftie and I love |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:02 PM |
#90 |
| -
Why is stating the truth an "attack" from your perspective. If you are going to |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 01:13 PM |
#94 |
| -
You're not stating "a truth." You're stating your opinion. |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-24-11 03:27 PM |
#133 |
| -
And there is exactly the problem - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 07:05 PM |
#156 |
| -
Being made to feel uncomfortable != loss of a right |
Silent3 |
Aug-25-11 10:40 PM |
#219 |
| -
Nobody questions your right to believe in God and Jesus. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:34 AM |
#241 |
| -
Where's the mocking? Is truth now considered mocking? |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 12:55 PM |
#84 |
| -
Well, |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:57 PM |
#86 |
| -
But that's not what I said and it's not what I meant. |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 01:04 PM |
#91 |
| -
Religion should be personal and private, not part of the political process. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 01:05 PM |
#92 |
| -
and I could laugh at you for the inability to distinguish absence of belief from belief in absence. |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 01:22 PM |
#100 |
| -
Important point, that. nt |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:42 PM |
#110 |
| -
Watching a thread about religion here is like visiting a shark tank. |
Union Scribe |
Aug-24-11 01:29 PM |
#107 |
| -
I'll stop mocking beliefs when holy books stop calling me an abomination. |
Occulus |
Aug-24-11 02:01 PM |
#117 |
| -
You have the right to believe anything you want. |
edhopper |
Aug-24-11 07:56 PM |
#171 |
| -
In order: |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:19 PM |
#178 |
| -
. |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-24-11 12:50 PM |
#79 |
| -
Lol, boy the "rational" sure are bitter, sharp-toothed ranters... |
Union Scribe |
Aug-24-11 01:23 PM |
#103 |
| -
Not necessarily true. |
SoCalDem |
Aug-24-11 11:56 AM |
#23 |
| -
Religion vilified anyone who thinks women should be in control of their bodies |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#25 |
| -
I would rather see us attack those ideas, while supporting the good. Highlight the Pfleger's ...... |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:06 PM |
#40 |
| -
Perhaps the bigotry you perceive is not religious, but rather ECONOMIC. Nuns do more for less. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 11:58 AM |
#26 |
| -
Good freaking riddance. |
closeupready |
Aug-24-11 11:59 AM |
#27 |
| -
What a steaming pantload! |
Quantess |
Aug-24-11 12:02 PM |
#29 |
| -
I don't think your theory is correct |
blogslut |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#35 |
| -
Ooh, can't have women becoming priests! |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#46 |
| -
And there ARE tensions between the Vatican and female religious orders. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:21 PM |
#99 |
| -
So the community that claims the President, the VP and most |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-24-11 12:05 PM |
#37 |
| -
My point is to criticize the absolutism of those opposed to religion, the throwing the baby out with |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:09 PM |
#44 |
| -
Who in American politics is 'opposed to religion'? |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-24-11 01:27 PM |
#106 |
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As opposed to the absolutism of condemning people to hell forever? nt |
sudopod |
Aug-24-11 01:44 PM |
#112 |
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Why, then, do you not try to agree with their secular ideas while |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 08:13 PM |
#176 |
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I left over birth control |
EC |
Aug-24-11 12:10 PM |
#48 |
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REC. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:12 PM |
#50 |
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In politically correct society "believing in nothing" is frowned upon |
cpwm17 |
Aug-24-11 12:47 PM |
#76 |
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I don't have a problem with atheists or agnostics. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:49 PM |
#78 |
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Everybody believes in something, and a lot of things. |
cpwm17 |
Aug-24-11 01:46 PM |
#113 |
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Damn! A "No True Atheist" post!!! |
onager |
Aug-24-11 07:10 PM |
#157 |
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+1 |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:35 PM |
#165 |
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You know what? As an athiest, I'd rather believe in something I feel is true then believe |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:51 PM |
#80 |
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I believe in the seperation of church and state. |
socialshockwave |
Aug-24-11 12:54 PM |
#83 |
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I would tend to say, rather, that the villification of the left drove the left from the church. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-24-11 12:13 PM |
#52 |
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In re: |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:19 PM |
#61 |
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Oh, speaking of vilification: |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-24-11 12:15 PM |
#56 |
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Hello, "The Enlightenment"?? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-11 12:16 PM |
#57 |
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What's wrong with separating religion and politics completely?... |
SidDithers |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
#72 |
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A. The article is about a MEDICAL administrator. A regime of faith-based initiatives is headed our |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 12:52 PM |
#81 |
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Exactly. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:37 PM |
#166 |
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Religion hasn't been a rallying point for social justice in my lifetime. |
Romulox |
Aug-24-11 12:53 PM |
#82 |
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Google: Roman Catholic Father Michael Pfleger. |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 01:01 PM |
#89 |
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I did |
Sentath |
Aug-24-11 01:41 PM |
#109 |
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No, he is not. He was for a brief moment - and he did not back down from the statement |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 04:55 PM |
#142 |
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I am named after a populist preaching RC priest who worked in SE Kansas after WWII. |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:48 PM |
#114 |
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I just did some reading on Father Quinn. Sounds like a great man. |
Romulox |
Aug-24-11 02:46 PM |
#131 |
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And yet, for blue collar workers in the NE, Central Americans, Chinese, Burmese, Africans and so man |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 04:57 PM |
#143 |
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For people who pride ourselves on rationality, we don't do math very well. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-24-11 12:56 PM |
#85 |
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"90% of americans believe in God." n/t |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:58 PM |
#87 |
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So the Left wins when we get those guys out of the way first. Hmmmm, let me think about that one.... |
nomb |
Aug-24-11 12:59 PM |
#88 |
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Actually, that's not true. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-25-11 12:22 AM |
#200 |
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A few problems with that. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:39 PM |
#167 |
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When modern religion is consistently reactionary.. |
JackDragna |
Aug-24-11 01:15 PM |
#96 |
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I disagree. First of all, in America even the Left is still overwhelmingly religious |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-24-11 01:20 PM |
#98 |
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+1,000,000,000 & All of that has intense significance within the ECONOMIC context of Health Care |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 01:26 PM |
#105 |
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By George, I think he's got it! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-24-11 02:10 PM |
#121 |
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Christianity has to a big extent driven Christ from the church, at least in America.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-24-11 01:53 PM |
#115 |
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Agreed. It should be destroyed as an organization for fucking up their mission. Unfortunately, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 02:11 PM |
#122 |
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Jesus said "I come not in peace but with a sword." He said lots of violent and hateful things. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Aug-25-11 04:34 PM |
#211 |
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"He said lots of violent and hateful things" |
AlecBGreen |
Aug-26-11 09:07 AM |
#232 |
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The politics of American Christianity villified itself with ethical people everywhere. |
DirkGently |
Aug-24-11 01:53 PM |
#116 |
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No you don't understand |
dmallind |
Aug-24-11 02:59 PM |
#132 |
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Possibly religion is being made to lie on the bed (of nails) it made for itself, eh? |
DirkGently |
Aug-24-11 03:45 PM |
#135 |
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When any believer in any of the Abrahamic religions |
hifiguy |
Aug-24-11 03:44 PM |
#134 |
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Their point is that evidence is not necessary. Your point is that evidence is necessary. Therefore, |
patrice |
Aug-24-11 04:22 PM |
#139 |
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Yet another example of someone who wishes atheists to stop criticizing religion. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 08:46 PM |
#185 |
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Because the left doesn't allow religion to dictate the planks of our platform. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:14 PM |
#158 |
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Well put. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-25-11 12:25 AM |
#202 |
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Regarding your disclaimer at the end. |
Deep13 |
Aug-24-11 07:20 PM |
#160 |
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Blasphemy is free speech. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-24-11 07:59 PM |
#173 |
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That's great. so when I say "organized atheism is an extremely bigoted movement"- |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 07:28 PM |
#214 |
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It's legal, but inaccurate. |
Deep13 |
Aug-25-11 08:42 PM |
#216 |
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Yes, but when such groups openly call for "ridicule" and even "hatred" |
humblebum |
Aug-25-11 09:25 PM |
#217 |
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No groups have done that. Only Christopher Hitchens has said that. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-25-11 11:52 PM |
#222 |
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Why do you put out such crap? Hitchens said that to a round of applause |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:03 AM |
#223 |
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Thank you for proving my point. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-26-11 12:04 AM |
#224 |
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And mine also. nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:12 AM |
#225 |
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Hitchens says all kinds of things, and is deliberately provocative. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 08:06 AM |
#231 |
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Another word for the type of ridicule used by Hitchens and a |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 09:58 AM |
#234 |
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Some atheists are bigots. I've said so already. So are some members of all groups. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 10:02 AM |
#235 |
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I am really not talking about individual atheists. People like Hitchens |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 10:13 AM |
#237 |
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By the same token... |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:13 AM |
#238 |
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"like eating a ham sandwich in front of the congregation in a synagogue" |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 11:28 AM |
#240 |
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And you are obviously not the descendant of Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe (nt) |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:36 AM |
#242 |
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Perhaps I should have said Russian Orthodox instead of Catholic.nt |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 12:18 PM |
#243 |
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False equivalency. |
Deep13 |
Aug-26-11 03:30 PM |
#248 |
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Yes. You can say that, just like you can say 'government healthcare leads to death panels' or |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:40 AM |
#229 |
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"While some atheists are bigoted against members of some or all religions, most aren't." |
humblebum |
Aug-26-11 10:04 AM |
#236 |
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I am not a member of any 'organized atheist' group! |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 11:18 AM |
#239 |
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The woman's movement gave women outlets other than church to express themselves, solve problems. |
applegrove |
Aug-24-11 09:54 PM |
#191 |
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PS - As regards the nun in the OP |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-26-11 07:21 AM |
#228 |
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