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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:09 PM
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58. Does it matter?
Whether or not Hitler was a true Christian is beside the point because he exploited a thousand years of Christian antisemitism in order to achieve his aims.

Was Martin Luther a "true" Christian?
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  -Atheist Billboards in Brazil pull no punches pokerfan  Aug-01-11 07:57 PM   #0 
  - Voltaire's quote comes to mind looking at that last one  Blecht   Aug-01-11 08:00 PM   #1 
  - +1,000,000  Auggie   Aug-01-11 08:22 PM   #7 
  - Right is right, truth is truth.  cleanhippie   Aug-01-11 08:04 PM   #2 
  - Bertrand Russell: What We Must Do  pokerfan   Aug-01-11 08:19 PM   #4 
     - A big fat AMEN to that, Brother Russell! And some Carl Sagan to buttress it.  cleanhippie   Aug-01-11 09:04 PM   #18 
     - Another Bertrand Russell quote:  humblebum   Aug-02-11 07:32 PM   #59 
     - Warning  darkstar3   Aug-02-11 07:40 PM   #60 
     - Why am I reminded of one of my favorite comic strips?  PassingFair   Aug-02-11 08:02 PM   #61 
  - Hitler planned to destroy Christianity after the war.  Kurmudgeon   Aug-01-11 08:15 PM   #3 
  - The question is not whether Hitler was a Christian  arcane1   Aug-01-11 08:20 PM   #5 
  - Yes, all bad people are clearly atheists.  trotsky   Aug-01-11 08:24 PM   #10 
     - Huh?  arcane1   Aug-01-11 08:30 PM   #11 
     - If bad people don't really believe the religious dialog they are pushing,  trotsky   Aug-01-11 08:31 PM   #12 
        - I don't know if he was a true believer or not  arcane1   Aug-01-11 08:36 PM   #14 
        - OK, no prob!  trotsky   Aug-01-11 08:44 PM   #16 
        - Take that out to it's logical conclusion  tortoise1956   Aug-05-11 12:42 AM   #94 
  - Yes, and wikipedia is accurate, especially about troll-bait subjects like Hitler.  darkstar3   Aug-01-11 08:22 PM   #6 
  - Unless you were able to read his mind...  trotsky   Aug-01-11 08:23 PM   #8 
  - No True Scotsman?  pokerfan   Aug-01-11 08:23 PM   #9 
  - I'm not really sure why, in this forum, we persist in taking Nazi quotes at face value.  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 01:04 PM   #40 
     - Stalin claimed to be an atheist. I believe him.  trotsky   Aug-02-11 01:11 PM   #41 
     - ZING!  Goblinmonger   Aug-02-11 03:49 PM   #46 
        - And I got to do it to him twice in the same thread.  trotsky   Aug-02-11 04:21 PM   #48 
     - Does it matter?  pokerfan   Aug-02-11 07:09 PM   #58 
        - The topic under discussion seems to be the claim of the first billboard in the OP.  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 04:22 AM   #72 
           - I was just curious  pokerfan   Aug-03-11 04:52 PM   #85 
              - I should expect "NTS!" not to be the retort to a claim "So-and-so was an opportunistic liar,"  struggle4progress   Aug-04-11 11:54 AM   #87 
  - Do you have a non-Wikipedia source for that? nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-01-11 09:21 PM   #22 
  - He didn't put sugar in his porridge eh? Claims are all we can use to judge the beliefs of others' n  dmallind   Aug-02-11 08:33 AM   #33 
  - ... How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 01:32 PM   #42 
     - "According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps..."  trotsky   Aug-02-11 01:59 PM   #43 
     - I provided a pdf link to the document on which the NYT article is based: it is a re-publication,  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 03:14 PM   #44 
        - LOL  trotsky   Aug-02-11 03:55 PM   #47 
           - ZING!  laconicsax   Aug-02-11 05:00 PM   #49 
           - It's part of a study used by the Nuremberg investigators. Conclusions probably aren't controversial  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 06:20 PM   #53 
              - It's OK. I'm sure we can trust the Nazis who say what you want to hear. n/t  trotsky   Aug-02-11 06:36 PM   #55 
     - This is what is referred to as "revisionism"  Taverner   Aug-02-11 05:37 PM   #51 
        - Hardly: the document was used by the Nuremberg prosecutors  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 06:22 PM   #54 
           - And we can be certain no Nazi would have lied...  trotsky   Aug-02-11 06:37 PM   #56 
  - If you read his super-secret interviews (can't remember the name)  Goblinmonger   Aug-02-11 03:48 PM   #45 
  - You're garbling several different things. During the "Church-Struggle" period in the early years of  struggle4progress   Aug-02-11 06:51 PM   #57 
     - Well, it just sounds like the Nazis wanted a particular VERSION of Christianity to prevail.  LAGC   Aug-03-11 02:46 AM   #64 
        - NSDAP Kreisleitung Eisenach 1 July 1941  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 03:17 AM   #65 
        - ... A Hitler Youth marching song ...  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 03:19 AM   #66 
        - Jewish references erased in newly found Nazi Bible  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 03:34 AM   #67 
        - "... What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 03:47 AM   #68 
        - Original Document  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 04:08 AM   #70 
        - ... Rosenberg expressed his theory as to the place of religion in the National Socialist State  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 03:56 AM   #69 
           - Wow, spam-o-rama.  LAGC   Aug-03-11 04:14 AM   #71 
              - Eh? I've given you multiple links supporting my comments in #57. I'm not sure how  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 04:45 AM   #73 
                 - Yup, and each link does nothing to dispel the notion...  trotsky   Aug-03-11 06:08 AM   #74 
                    - You'd be much more interesting to read if you put a bit more thought into your posts:  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 02:21 PM   #78 
                       - When you provide me with something that requires a response deeper than a one-liner...  trotsky   Aug-03-11 03:42 PM   #80 
                          - I've provided eight links and some overview; you, on the other hand, merely sneer  struggle4progress   Aug-03-11 04:45 PM   #84 
                             - I refer you to the post to which you just responded. n/t  trotsky   Aug-03-11 07:21 PM   #86 
  - the tired old "No True Scotsman" argument.  provis99   Aug-04-11 10:01 PM   #93 
     - "Excommunication" means refusing to give the sacrament of communion: when, at any time  struggle4progress   Aug-05-11 04:41 AM   #95 
        - Um, it means a lot more than that.  Goblinmonger   Aug-05-11 08:53 AM   #96 
           - Code of Canon Law  struggle4progress   Aug-05-11 02:52 PM   #97 
              - What's your point, Googlemaster? That I was right?  Goblinmonger   Aug-05-11 03:29 PM   #98 
  - Brazil has had a sizable and vocal humanist/atheist community for years.  humblebum   Aug-01-11 08:35 PM   #13 
  - Brazil has a surprisingly strong Singularity community  localroger   Aug-01-11 08:40 PM   #15 
  - Looks like this Transhumanist should move to Brazil if the US continues going downhill.  Odin2005   Aug-01-11 09:01 PM   #17 
  - Oh for fucks sake! Prove it or else you are a liar!  cleanhippie   Aug-01-11 09:08 PM   #19 
  - Uh? Well? I have shown much of this before, but here's a link.  humblebum   Aug-01-11 09:46 PM   #24 
     - Seriously? You feel that the Brazil posters are the same as those you linked to?  cleanhippie   Aug-02-11 01:00 AM   #25 
     - Extremely similar in both subject and tone. There are hundreds and hundreds of them.  humblebum   Aug-02-11 01:25 AM   #27 
        - While I strongly disagree about the similarity, you are not a liar. You actually believe they are  cleanhippie   Aug-02-11 08:40 AM   #34 
           - Same movement, repackaged. nt  humblebum   Aug-02-11 08:46 AM   #36 
              - Same movement? Where is the Communism?  cleanhippie   Aug-02-11 09:57 AM   #37 
                 - Well, you are finally speaking some truth:  humblebum   Aug-02-11 11:11 AM   #38 
                    - As usual, you digress. There are no similarities between this and the brazil atheists.  cleanhippie   Aug-03-11 08:28 AM   #75 
                       - As usual, in a state of denial.  humblebum   Aug-03-11 09:32 AM   #76 
                          - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-03-11 09:35 AM   #77 
                          - Yes, you are in a total state of denial.  cleanhippie   Aug-03-11 03:14 PM   #79 
                             - Well, when atheism is clearly the subject of the poster or clearly  humblebum   Aug-03-11 04:03 PM   #81 
                                - Yes, we know all of that. So why do you point to communist posters and say they are the same?  cleanhippie   Aug-03-11 04:23 PM   #82 
                                   - So where does it advertise communism on any of them. The atheists  humblebum   Aug-03-11 04:31 PM   #83 
     - So the Soviet Communists were strongly atheist  LeftishBrit   Aug-02-11 01:13 AM   #26 
        - Why do you compare apples to oranges. I'm talking atheist movements here, not Communism.  humblebum   Aug-02-11 01:32 AM   #28 
        - In what way are any of these messages hateful or bigoted?  LeftishBrit   Aug-02-11 01:53 AM   #29 
        - They are certainly bigoted in the fact that they are singling out religion  humblebum   Aug-02-11 02:05 AM   #30 
           - So if you don't mention atrocities committed by religous groups, is it OK to promote atheism?  LeftishBrit   Aug-02-11 02:35 AM   #31 
           - There are many wonderful, caring atheists around. You are free  humblebum   Aug-02-11 02:56 AM   #32 
              - I do not think that this group was preaching hatred at all...  LeftishBrit   Aug-02-11 08:45 AM   #35 
           - The group is not advertising atrocities with these billboards  Meshuga   Aug-02-11 10:57 PM   #62 
              - Then, they must be referring to Hitler because of his funny mustache.  humblebum   Aug-03-11 02:28 AM   #63 
                 - Did you even read my post?  Meshuga   Aug-04-11 06:58 PM   #89 
        - You are? Who mentioned the USSR first?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-02-11 11:34 AM   #39 
        - Soviet atheism.  CJvR   Aug-04-11 03:13 PM   #88 
           - Yes, it was just a passing fad:  humblebum   Aug-04-11 08:07 PM   #90 
              - Thanks for acknowledging that.  laconicsax   Aug-04-11 08:21 PM   #91 
                 - And then, of course, the fad was resurrected.  humblebum   Aug-04-11 09:22 PM   #92 
                    - And again, it passed.  laconicsax   Aug-05-11 03:34 PM   #99 
                       - Um? The actions continued well into the 1980's and the groups still  humblebum   Aug-05-11 03:44 PM   #100 
                          - Uh huh, like I said. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-05-11 04:14 PM   #101 
                          - Like you said, what? It has never really ended. nt  humblebum   Aug-05-11 04:46 PM   #105 
                             - If you say so. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-05-11 06:31 PM   #106 
                          - deleted  humblebum   Aug-05-11 04:44 PM   #104 
  - ...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-01-11 09:15 PM   #20 
  - Scary!!!  laconicsax   Aug-01-11 09:20 PM   #21 
  - If logic fails, throw your bible at them and scream "COMMIE!!!!"  Taverner   Aug-02-11 05:37 PM   #50 
     - STALIN!!!  Iggo   Aug-05-11 04:19 PM   #103 
  - K&R  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-01-11 09:27 PM   #23 
  - Awesome. I wish we could have those here.  Taverner   Aug-02-11 05:40 PM   #52 
     - Atheists Exist.  Iggo   Aug-05-11 04:18 PM   #102 

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