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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. I fear nothing.
I won't toss Occam's Razor at you, but it is an appropriate answer.

So, why so angry at those whose values (apparently) mimic yours yet belief systems do not?

Having some cognitive dissonance reconciling the two?
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  -Can a Christian please list what are Christian values? Humanist_Activist  Jul-29-11 10:12 PM   #0 
  - Google is your friend --->  Petrushka   Jul-29-11 10:15 PM   #1 
  - After watching the Christians join the Repukes for the past 31 years, I'd say....  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-29-11 10:16 PM   #2 
  - Really? I'm a Christian - disagree.  emilyg   Jul-29-11 10:25 PM   #5 
  - Maybe you're one of the handful I can count on one hand, that are not part of the fascists nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-29-11 10:26 PM   #6 
  - I was going to reply and  emilyg   Jul-29-11 10:49 PM   #20 
  - Really?  demosincebirth   Jul-29-11 10:50 PM   #21 
  - I'm with you.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 10:35 PM   #12 
  - thanks for the broad brush..  madrchsod   Jul-29-11 10:38 PM   #13 
  - ...  RKP5637   Jul-29-11 10:25 PM   #3 
  - well, my sister is a staunch Bible believing Christian...  grasswire   Jul-29-11 10:25 PM   #4 
  - I'm sorry but  Drale   Jul-29-11 10:28 PM   #7 
     - I hung up on her.  grasswire   Jul-29-11 10:32 PM   #10 
  - Okay  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 10:30 PM   #8 
  - So you have to love your God more than you love your neighbor?  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 10:49 PM   #19 
  - Those voices you apparently hear in your head are not from God, my friend.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 10:52 PM   #22 
     - OK, how about a simple question, who do you value more, God or your fellow humans? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:00 PM   #25 
        - Without God, I would not have the calmness nor strength to tolerate many of our kind  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 11:06 PM   #26 
        - OK, so I'll put that down as avoiding the question. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:16 PM   #28 
        - Put it down as whatever you like.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 11:30 PM   #35 
           - What filtering system? You didn't answer the question.  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:35 PM   #37 
              - Why so angry - just because I have a belief you don't?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 11:47 PM   #42 
                 - What attack mode? The fact that I don't give automatic deference to your beliefs...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:55 PM   #47 
                 - LOL! There is deference and there is respect. Given you asked the question.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:00 AM   #49 
                    - Respect has to be earned, and I don't automatically respect beliefs, I evaluate them depending...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:05 AM   #52 
                 - Oh, lookie! The first dodge and attempt to make the non-believer seem like an angry person.  cleanhippie   Jul-30-11 08:55 PM   #88 
                 - re-ask?  deacon_sephiroth   Aug-01-11 11:02 AM   #99 
        - Definitely ducking the question  Silent3   Aug-01-11 11:19 AM   #100 
        - According to Jesus. there is no difference. n/t  Thats my opinion   Jul-29-11 11:22 PM   #30 
           - Of course there is, Jesus said anyone who values their family above him is not worthy of him...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:23 PM   #32 
  - These comprise the heart of Christian vaues.r/t  Thats my opinion   Jul-29-11 11:20 PM   #29 
  - Reread your post, so you are liberal because you fear hell?  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:44 PM   #40 
  - I fear nothing.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 11:51 PM   #45 
     - No anger, and I surely hope those values don't match mine...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:09 AM   #54 
        - New to being around liberals/progressives, aye?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:13 AM   #56 
           - Motivations differ, that much is clear. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:16 AM   #58 
  - Great post!  JDPriestly   Jul-30-11 12:34 AM   #64 
     - ...  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:57 AM   #69 
  - They change by person. I would tell you mine, someone else theirs. Both would  uppityperson   Jul-29-11 10:31 PM   #9 
  - Neither Atheists nor Agnostics claim to have have "values"  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:20 AM   #60 
     - Agnostics and Atheists have no values? I think you are trying to put something  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 06:29 PM   #72 
        - Sorry, should clarify, there are no "Atheist values"...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 07:49 PM   #76 
           - What you might consider a "Christian value" is not necessarily what I might.  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:06 PM   #79 
              - Again, there are no "Atheist values", Humanist values sure, but please at least get the labels...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 08:13 PM   #81 
                 - You miss the point. Values based on spirituality are subjective.  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:21 PM   #83 
                    - The question is what type of values are based on spirituality...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 08:28 PM   #85 
  - Love is the basis of all true Christian values. n/t  pnwmom   Jul-29-11 10:34 PM   #11 
  - Really? Then list these values. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 10:43 PM   #15 
     - Ruby the Liberal did an excellent job.  pnwmom   Jul-29-11 10:44 PM   #16 
     - Ha! Great minds. Timing. All that.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 10:46 PM   #18 
     - I did. Explicitly. Post #8. Above you ^  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 10:45 PM   #17 
  - Can an American tell you what are American values?  Swede   Jul-29-11 10:40 PM   #14 
  - Simple enough, read the New Testament.  demosincebirth   Jul-29-11 10:52 PM   #23 
  - Do you really want me to start listing examples from the New Testament?  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:26 PM   #33 
     - If you don't beleive in something, why do you know  demosincebirth   Jul-29-11 11:40 PM   #38 
        - Because I was studying to go into seminary after confirmation, that's why...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:02 AM   #50 
           - Yet this leads you to question Christian values on a liberal message board?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:12 AM   #55 
           - Why is asking the question such an affront?  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:18 AM   #59 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-30-11 12:32 AM   #63 
           - I feel sorry for you. Don't bother to answer.  demosincebirth   Jul-30-11 03:03 PM   #71 
           - If this is true, then you should know that there is no "Christian values" but a whole lot of differi  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 06:35 PM   #73 
              - I was never taught to take the Bible literally true, I was Catholic...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 07:45 PM   #75 
                 - There are lessons which are positive also. I am sorry you chose to focus only the the bad ones  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:03 PM   #77 
                    - But that's the point, the Bible shows Yahweh as both good and evil...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 08:06 PM   #78 
                       - And you throw the whole thing out because you have focused on the bad ones.  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:11 PM   #80 
                          - No, I wouldn't throw it out, it should be treated no differently than Homer's stories...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 08:20 PM   #82 
                             - You don't think there are "Christian values" yet this thread asks Christians to list them.  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:24 PM   #84 
                             - No, I started this thread, because some Christians on this board apparently...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 08:31 PM   #86 
                             - "love" is a Christian value, depending on the definition of "love" and just because  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 08:41 PM   #87 
                                - Love is an emotion every human and even many animals share...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 09:06 PM   #91 
                                - Many people base their spiritual beliefs on love. It is a universal human emotion.  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 09:21 PM   #92 
                                   - Are you seriously claiming that religion doesn't divide? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 09:51 PM   #93 
                                      - Whoosh!  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 11:02 PM   #94 
                                         - How can there be goalposts when its so subjective that people can make shit up as they go along? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-31-11 07:56 AM   #97 
                                - Love is an emotion, not a value.  darkstar3   Jul-30-11 11:07 PM   #95 
  - Since the time of Abraham, the image of G-d has appeared in human form.  struggle4progress   Jul-29-11 10:55 PM   #24 
  - +1  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-29-11 11:07 PM   #27 
  - Look, I can quote the Bible too!  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:22 PM   #31 
     - A magnificent quotation.  Thats my opinion   Jul-29-11 11:29 PM   #34 
     - If it were treated as any other literature, I would agree, but too many people...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:32 PM   #36 
     - "context"; the ultimate believer's excuse.  provis99   Jul-29-11 11:48 PM   #44 
     - Tell us, o Well Connected One, in which way the context changes the meaning of that verse.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-30-11 04:02 AM   #70 
     - I suppose you must read according to your understanding, as I must read according to mine --  struggle4progress   Jul-29-11 11:43 PM   #39 
        - So basically unbelievers aren't family, got it.  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:46 PM   #41 
           - Again, you must read according to your understanding, and I according to mine.  struggle4progress   Jul-29-11 11:52 PM   #46 
              - What does that even mean? n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-29-11 11:56 PM   #48 
                 - It means you're over your head, kimosabe.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:07 AM   #53 
                    - Actually no, it seems that the poster is saying they believe the way they believe...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:14 AM   #57 
                    - I can see that you are.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:22 AM   #61 
                    - Actually I already did, its really fascinating how...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:29 AM   #62 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-30-11 12:36 AM   #65 
                          - Sorry, perhaps I should have said terrorist who happened to be Christian...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:40 AM   #66 
                             - If Osama Bin Laden was a Muslim Terrorist, then the Norway killer is a Christian Terrorist.  cleanhippie   Jul-30-11 09:02 PM   #90 
                    - You began the thread asking what the values were, not why I might choose to adopt those values.  struggle4progress   Jul-30-11 12:42 AM   #67 
                    - I don't see why I should be either happy or unhappy...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-30-11 12:51 AM   #68 
                    - Thank you for continuing to post. It clarifies how you are unable to understand  uppityperson   Jul-30-11 06:39 PM   #74 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-30-11 08:59 PM   #89 
  - Well  Old Codger   Jul-29-11 11:48 PM   #43 
  - Humanist_Activist re# post 47 See above ^  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-30-11 12:03 AM   #51 
  - christianity has a value system  tiny elvis   Jul-31-11 02:59 AM   #96 
  - Finally, a real answer. Took long enough. n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-31-11 08:58 AM   #98 
  - Oh you know, nebulous things that are everything to everybody...  Taverner   Aug-01-11 04:46 PM   #101 
     - You win one thread.  darkstar3   Aug-01-11 08:08 PM   #102 

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