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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. I made no unsupported claims.
You said that not everything has a natural explanation. I replied that you don't know that, and gave the example of things which had an explanation before it was known what that explanation was.

Your claim that "not everything has a natural explanation" is unknowable at present. Unless you can explain everything, you can't know whether things do not have natural explanations.
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  -I, for one, am glad there are no more "magic" or "miracles" Taverner  Jul-29-11 01:41 PM   #0 
  - explain human consciousness  Enrique   Jul-29-11 01:44 PM   #1 
  - Explain it? Sure  Taverner   Jul-29-11 01:48 PM   #2 
  - Sure, that's easy.  cleanhippie   Jul-29-11 03:07 PM   #24 
  - Its kind of complicated...  PassingFair   Jul-30-11 11:32 AM   #54 
  - never a miscommunication  enki23   Aug-01-11 12:31 PM   #81 
  - What about 'Magic' the Gathering? And 'Miracle' Whip?  RZM   Jul-29-11 01:48 PM   #3 
  - LOL...and Magic Fingers! How the %$#@! do they work???  Taverner   Jul-29-11 01:49 PM   #5 
  - Miracle Whip.  trotsky   Jul-29-11 02:00 PM   #8 
     - I thought that was Marshmallow Fluff?  Taverner   Jul-29-11 02:02 PM   #10 
        - Only for peanut butter & banana sandwiches. n/t  trotsky   Jul-29-11 02:07 PM   #12 
  - How do you "know' this/  Big Blue Marble   Jul-29-11 01:49 PM   #4 
  - Never said I know everything  Taverner   Jul-29-11 01:50 PM   #6 
     - If you are convinced,  Big Blue Marble   Jul-29-11 01:55 PM   #7 
        - No, that is not the definition of convinced  Taverner   Jul-29-11 02:01 PM   #9 
           - You falsely assume that you have the capability  Big Blue Marble   Jul-29-11 02:11 PM   #14 
              - Oh not taking this personally at all - Good debate, actually  Taverner   Jul-29-11 02:16 PM   #16 
                 - As you say today's evidence is tomorrow's misinterpretation.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-29-11 02:31 PM   #21 
  - Hey,  rrneck   Jul-29-11 02:03 PM   #11 
  - Germany  Taverner   Jul-29-11 02:08 PM   #13 
     - I stand corrected.  rrneck   Jul-29-11 02:45 PM   #22 
  - Without magic you have no imagination  Angry Dragon   Jul-29-11 02:13 PM   #15 
  - Incorrect: without your subconscious you have no imagination  Taverner   Jul-29-11 02:17 PM   #17 
  - And you can prove there is no magic there??  Angry Dragon   Jul-29-11 02:24 PM   #19 
     - I dunno - is a computer 'magic'?  Taverner   Jul-29-11 04:30 PM   #31 
  - One of the best atheist I have ever known  edhopper   Jul-29-11 02:18 PM   #18 
  - Just because one does not believe in something  Angry Dragon   Jul-29-11 02:26 PM   #20 
  - Look up  edhopper   Jul-29-11 04:58 PM   #34 
  - So? He didn't believe airplanes were safe, either--he had a phobia about flying.  okasha   Jul-29-11 02:57 PM   #23 
     - Could your reply be any more besides the point  edhopper   Jul-29-11 04:57 PM   #33 
  - You consider magic the only possible explanation for imagination?  Silent3   Jul-29-11 03:48 PM   #25 
  - No .............  Angry Dragon   Jul-29-11 04:11 PM   #28 
     - If your answer to that question is "no", then at most you can say...  Silent3   Jul-29-11 04:16 PM   #30 
  - you got it backward. without imagination, you have no magic  enki23   Aug-01-11 12:30 PM   #80 
  - Not everyjting has a natural explanation. There remains many unexplained things.  rug   Jul-29-11 03:55 PM   #26 
  - That which is unexplained is just that, unexplained.  Silent3   Jul-29-11 04:11 PM   #29 
  - Per 'other ways of knowing' they are....  Taverner   Jul-29-11 04:32 PM   #32 
  - And the one you posit is inadequate.  rug   Jul-29-11 06:03 PM   #38 
     - How is the Scientific Method inadequate?  Taverner   Jul-29-11 09:58 PM   #47 
  - Which, of course, undermines the premise of the OP.  rug   Jul-29-11 06:02 PM   #37 
     - Depends what you mean by "has"  Silent3   Jul-29-11 06:55 PM   #44 
     - !!!  Taverner   Jul-29-11 10:00 PM   #49 
     - No - I am just saying Natural Explanation is better than any other method  Taverner   Jul-29-11 09:59 PM   #48 
  - Yes everything does have a natural explanation  edhopper   Jul-29-11 05:01 PM   #35 
  - I guess I'll have to take wour word for it, since the evidence is not there.  rug   Jul-29-11 06:04 PM   #39 
     - Can you name something that has been explained  edhopper   Jul-29-11 06:13 PM   #41 
        - No. And I can name many things that have not been explained naturally.  rug   Jul-29-11 06:34 PM   #42 
           - What hasn't been explained naturally?  Taverner   Jul-29-11 10:01 PM   #50 
           - You wont get that list because it doesnt exist. We all know it, but only some of us will acknowledge  cleanhippie   Jul-30-11 12:47 PM   #55 
           - Take your pick.  rug   Jul-31-11 12:15 PM   #62 
              - But "yet" is the only answer that will work  Taverner   Jul-31-11 04:00 PM   #69 
              - Neither is "God did it."  darkstar3   Jul-31-11 04:36 PM   #71 
                 - One does not imply the other.  rug   Jul-31-11 04:42 PM   #72 
                    - No, but your argument track here is simple:  darkstar3   Jul-31-11 04:49 PM   #73 
                       - Exactly - if you're not going to rule out the supernatural...  Taverner   Jul-31-11 09:27 PM   #77 
           - I will rephrase this  edhopper   Jul-30-11 08:19 AM   #53 
              - Rephrasing won't help. Your question leaves little room to wiggle out of the answer.  cleanhippie   Jul-30-11 12:48 PM   #56 
                 - "No wiggle room" because it is correct  Taverner   Jul-30-11 02:30 PM   #58 
                 - Aren't you the little hovering pest.  rug   Jul-31-11 12:16 PM   #63 
  - You don't know that things unknown don't have natural explanations.  laconicsax   Jul-29-11 05:39 PM   #36 
     - Hmm, what was that about the burden of proof?  rug   Jul-29-11 06:05 PM   #40 
        - I made no unsupported claims.  laconicsax   Jul-29-11 08:48 PM   #46 
  - I can think of a few things only miracles are likely to fix...  Silent3   Jul-29-11 04:01 PM   #27 
  - I disagree,  bvar22   Jul-29-11 06:42 PM   #43 
  - Would you rather believe or know?  Taverner   Jul-29-11 10:03 PM   #52 
     - I would rather not answer the question, and don't really have to.  bvar22   Jul-31-11 11:33 AM   #61 
        - So basically, you celebrate your ignorance by refusing to know more about the world?  Humanist_Activist   Jul-31-11 12:52 PM   #64 
        - I would invite you over...  bvar22   Jul-31-11 01:49 PM   #65 
        - What you call "magic" I call "wonder"  Taverner   Jul-31-11 02:37 PM   #68 
        - I used ignorant as a descriptive, rather than insulting word, sorry if I caused any offense...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-31-11 04:04 PM   #70 
        - It's not either/or - knowing why something happens does not diminish its awe  Taverner   Jul-31-11 02:37 PM   #67 
           - You "understamd" Supernovas.  bvar22   Jul-31-11 08:22 PM   #75 
              - "You can't HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"  Taverner   Jul-31-11 09:25 PM   #76 
                 - Thats Odd.  bvar22   Aug-01-11 06:57 AM   #78 
                    - Supernovas - I don't get where there's "magic" I don't "understand":  Taverner   Aug-01-11 09:58 AM   #79 
                    - If your argument is true, we should still be living on the Serengeti...  Humanist_Activist   Aug-01-11 05:50 PM   #83 
        - I never said get rid of your sense of awe  Taverner   Jul-31-11 02:36 PM   #66 
        - Catching up after an absence so I'm sorry this is late but I loved that post!  Nihil   Aug-12-11 11:18 AM   #84 
  - Rudolf Bultmann talked about this.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-29-11 08:23 PM   #45 
  - I don't care if you believe in Jesus as the Messiah  Taverner   Jul-29-11 10:02 PM   #51 
     - Read my post above. I don't believe, I KNOW science works.  Manifestor_of_Light   Aug-01-11 12:35 PM   #82 
  - Exactly.  Odin2005   Jul-30-11 01:43 PM   #57 
  - +1  Vehl   Jul-30-11 02:53 PM   #59 
  - Gotta have pyrotechnics!  Taverner   Jul-30-11 05:38 PM   #60 
  - I would rather admit we DON'T know, than believe.  iris27   Jul-31-11 05:18 PM   #74 
  - Best post ever on DU.  Lucian   Aug-13-11 03:10 AM   #85 
     - +1  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 12:15 PM   #86 
 

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