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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 06:39 PM
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95. You're kidding, right?
MOST atheists pre-21st century were repressive and violent? Wow. All I have to say.

Exactly where do you get the "potential for violence" in new atheists? I mean, yeah, if I saw Dawkins in an alley, I'd be scared shitless.
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  -Atheism versus New Atheism hyphenate  Jul-21-11 12:22 AM   #0 
  - why should I have to respect someone's delusions?  Doctor Hurt   Jul-21-11 12:25 AM   #1 
  - +100  Taverner   Jul-21-11 12:28 AM   #2 
  - For the same reason they need to respect your delusions  Angry Dragon   Jul-21-11 12:55 AM   #4 
  - I don't want my delusions respected.  trotsky   Jul-21-11 07:03 AM   #12 
  - You can respect them at the same time they are challenged  Angry Dragon   Jul-21-11 01:52 PM   #61 
     - Again, I do not demand respect for my delusions,  trotsky   Jul-21-11 02:37 PM   #65 
  - I don't care if they respect me.  Doctor Hurt   Jul-21-11 09:32 AM   #30 
  - So someone will respect your delusions enough to leave you alone.  Kurmudgeon   Jul-21-11 08:25 AM   #15 
  - I enjoy critical thinking and want my thoughts challenged.  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 08:29 AM   #17 
     - Nice cartoon downthread.  rug   Jul-21-11 08:46 AM   #20 
     - You have nailed it. nt  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 11:10 AM   #40 
  - that is what they said about Galileo nt  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 11:08 AM   #39 
     - Who said that about Galileo?  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 05:22 PM   #84 
  - i'm an atheist and i agree.  DesertFlower   Jul-21-11 12:49 AM   #3 
  - Thank you! Glad my opinion was not for naught! eom  hyphenate   Jul-21-11 05:39 PM   #90 
  - You're an accommodationist.  stopbush   Jul-21-11 01:48 AM   #5 
  - So you refuse to accomodate the religious because they refuse to accomodate you?  Speck Tater   Jul-21-11 03:18 AM   #7 
  - That's one reason I kind of like the "New Atheists."  LAGC   Jul-21-11 08:58 AM   #23 
  - I refuse to accomodate religion because it is wrong.  Deep13   Jul-21-11 09:13 AM   #26 
  - So what does the God of Atheism look like? Is he White? Portly?  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 10:00 AM   #32 
  - You are completely, 100% dead wrong.  Deep13   Jul-21-11 10:34 AM   #34 
  - I'm sorry, I may have made this more complicated than it needs to be.  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 10:48 AM   #36 
     - And this is where you are in error, atheism isn't a belief system, its the lack of belief in a...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 12:28 PM   #47 
     - Please read the posts that I was responding to.  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 10:20 PM   #107 
        - I don't believe in anything with 100% certainty, therein lies foolishness...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-22-11 07:06 PM   #123 
     - Oh that crap again  dmallind   Jul-21-11 12:32 PM   #48 
     - You know, I'd have far less of a problem with people criticizing my beliefs if they were actually...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 12:44 PM   #51 
     - Congratulations on being rich, please pay more taxes.  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 10:27 PM   #108 
        - Wow what? Wow you finally understand what atheism means?  dmallind   Jul-22-11 08:29 AM   #114 
           - Let's just leave it at Wow. n/t  A Simple Game   Jul-22-11 04:32 PM   #120 
     - The default logical position is that there is no God.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-21-11 03:10 PM   #67 
        - There is no God! You know you are in the minority, don't you?  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 11:00 PM   #110 
           - Just because millions believe something does not make it true.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-22-11 12:57 AM   #111 
              - First of all let me thank you for an informative and thoughtful post.  A Simple Game   Jul-22-11 09:12 AM   #116 
  - How can you claim to be tolerant while saying that most of the religious people...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 10:34 AM   #35 
  - I judge no ones sincerity.  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 11:23 AM   #43 
     - In 1200(B.C E. or C.E.?, assuming C.E.) I would have staked on the world being round...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 12:25 PM   #46 
        - So the world was round in 1200. Good for you.  A Simple Game   Jul-21-11 10:04 PM   #105 
        - Science and religion are completely different.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-22-11 01:08 AM   #112 
           - I am not a scientist. If I gave that impression, I am sorry.  A Simple Game   Jul-22-11 09:34 AM   #117 
              - Now this post shows you really don't know what science is at all...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-22-11 05:49 PM   #121 
                 - You seem to have a comprehension problem.  A Simple Game   Jul-22-11 08:45 PM   #126 
                    - No, you have a writing comprehension problem...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-23-11 12:17 PM   #131 
                       - Maybe this will help.  A Simple Game   Jul-23-11 04:17 PM   #133 
        - Has anyone ever proven, "you can't prove a negative?"  immoderate   Jul-21-11 10:47 PM   #109 
           - Yes, its impossible to do so without playing useless semantic games...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-22-11 05:54 PM   #122 
  - No one to speak of 'worships Atheism'  LeftishBrit   Jul-23-11 04:47 PM   #137 
     - It was a struggle, but I found one. Pete's friend on myspace:  dimbear   Jul-23-11 05:19 PM   #138 
  - And as Americans we all have the right to be obnoxious and overbearing.  Speck Tater   Jul-21-11 12:07 PM   #45 
     - Speak for yourself.  Deep13   Jul-21-11 01:08 PM   #56 
     - You sure have a lot of faith in your ideas.  Speck Tater   Jul-21-11 04:13 PM   #72 
     - Hogwash and intellectual cowardice  skepticscott   Jul-22-11 03:32 PM   #118 
     - Well said, Speck Tater  tortoise1956   Jul-23-11 11:19 PM   #142 
  - I agree--that's my point  hyphenate   Jul-22-11 08:53 PM   #127 
  - +1  Deep13   Jul-21-11 09:06 AM   #24 
  - too bad that you seem stuck in a view of religion that is dying a slow deserved death.  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 11:15 AM   #41 
     - You keep claiming this when all surveys show US believers are overwhelmingly stuck in that same view  dmallind   Jul-21-11 12:43 PM   #50 
     - And almost half believe we live in the "end times". n/t  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 12:50 PM   #53 
     - Because that's what they have to tell themselves.  trotsky   Jul-21-11 04:21 PM   #76 
     - I never said it was the norm  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 07:51 PM   #100 
        - Good - and trust me its success will be inversely proportional to "atheist fundamentalism". nt  dmallind   Jul-21-11 10:14 PM   #106 
     - A strange thing to hear coming from someone  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 05:32 PM   #86 
        - sorry,but you are just inaccurate.  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 07:54 PM   #101 
           - Oh, indeed? Here are some of your characterizations  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 08:37 PM   #103 
           - No response, eh?  skepticscott   Jul-23-11 04:40 PM   #135 
  - Exactly who is trying "to disarm people of their inherent right to believe...  Silent3   Jul-21-11 02:14 AM   #6 
  - Right-- that is true of any point of view, including yours nt  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 11:17 AM   #42 
     - Yes, so?  Silent3   Jul-21-11 02:49 PM   #66 
  - Let's get Hitchens to stop going door to door leaving tracts.  dimbear   Jul-21-11 03:45 AM   #8 
  - Yeah, and he should stop extorting people every week for tithes and...  Deep13   Jul-21-11 09:14 AM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-21-11 04:49 AM   #9 
  - Relgiousity is pervasive.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-21-11 06:22 AM   #10 
  - Have you actually read any of the "New Atheists"?  trotsky   Jul-21-11 07:01 AM   #11 
  - I've never read them either, not really interested to be honest...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 01:11 PM   #57 
     - Yep, I've only read The God Delusion.  trotsky   Jul-21-11 01:25 PM   #58 
        - That is the funny thing, except for perhaps Christopher Hitchens, all of the rest...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 01:30 PM   #59 
  - Accurate and well said.  rug   Jul-21-11 07:29 AM   #13 
  - Yeah and they are so dangerous!  TZ   Jul-21-11 08:12 AM   #14 
  - Athiest fundies, every bit as dangerous as any other kind of fundie.  Kurmudgeon   Jul-21-11 08:26 AM   #16 
     - Nice RW talking point.  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 08:31 AM   #18 
     - Do you prefer the term "fanattic atheist?"  okasha   Jul-21-11 08:47 AM   #21 
        - I don't think that's a word.  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 08:54 AM   #22 
           - LOL--well, there are a few Mrs. Rochesters in the mix., blowing hot air.  okasha   Jul-21-11 09:24 AM   #29 
              - There you go confusing  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 05:39 PM   #89 
     - Oh, and it's time for this again:  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 08:33 AM   #19 
     - Get back to me when atheists try to slit the throats of their children because the rapture isn't...  Humanist_Activist   Jul-21-11 11:59 AM   #44 
     - Yes! Just as dangerous.  Evoman   Jul-21-11 03:43 PM   #71 
     - Yep, just look at these atheists fundies  skepticscott   Jul-24-11 08:28 PM   #148 
  - Did it ever occur to you that more aggressive atheism is just...necessary?  dmallind   Jul-21-11 09:10 AM   #25 
  - It's probably not much of an exaggeration to say  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 05:43 PM   #91 
  - I wrote a response to this several years ago...  Deep13   Jul-21-11 09:17 AM   #28 
  - Bingo. n/t  trotsky   Jul-21-11 10:55 AM   #37 
  - Seems like New Atheism is more a civil rights movement than anything else  starroute   Jul-21-11 09:59 AM   #31 
  - Oh for the love of Murphy!  tortoise1956   Jul-23-11 11:31 PM   #143 
  - We're here, we're queer. We don't think the way you do.  PassingFair   Jul-21-11 10:29 AM   #33 
  - Unless you are queer, please don't attempt to co-opt an LGBT slogan.  okasha   Jul-21-11 12:36 PM   #49 
     - Who are you, WordCop?  PassingFair   Jul-21-11 12:45 PM   #52 
        - I'm a queer woman.  okasha   Jul-21-11 01:04 PM   #54 
           - You don't own words, or slogans.  PassingFair   Jul-21-11 01:08 PM   #55 
           - You lack respect for those who've put their lives on the line  okasha   Jul-21-11 02:13 PM   #63 
              - You don't seem to mind using offensive and ridiculous terms like "fundamentalist atheist"....  PassingFair   Jul-21-11 02:16 PM   #64 
              - You have no fucking clue how ironic your choice to take offense at those words is, do you?  darkstar3   Jul-21-11 07:59 PM   #102 
           - Yes - after all gays and queers never co-opted any existing words!  dmallind   Jul-21-11 03:41 PM   #70 
  - What about a positive new theism?  Thats my opinion   Jul-21-11 11:06 AM   #38 
  - "...the kind of religion these new atheists reject." is any religion that  humblebum   Jul-21-11 01:58 PM   #62 
  - Atheism tolerant, New Atheism intolerant. Huge difference.  humblebum   Jul-21-11 01:40 PM   #60 
  - Old Atheism silent; New Atheism not silent.  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 03:14 PM   #68 
  - +1  PassingFair   Jul-21-11 03:32 PM   #69 
  - +10000  Taverner   Jul-21-11 04:18 PM   #75 
  - Depends on what you mean by Old atheism. If you are  humblebum   Jul-21-11 04:37 PM   #78 
     - You're kidding, right?  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-11 06:39 PM   #95 
        - Yep, here's humblebum's picture of Dawkins:  LAGC   Jul-23-11 05:18 AM   #130 
  - Utter horseshit  Taverner   Jul-21-11 04:18 PM   #74 
  - deleted  humblebum   Jul-21-11 04:34 PM   #77 
  - I can see getting upset with Hitchens, if you are a believer  Taverner   Jul-21-11 04:17 PM   #73 
  - Dawkins has turned out to be a raving misogynist.  okasha   Jul-21-11 05:36 PM   #88 
     - You have very perverted criteria  skepticscott   Jul-21-11 05:50 PM   #93 
     - I dunno about "raving misogynist," but yes he has said some misogynist things  Taverner   Jul-21-11 06:27 PM   #94 
        - If Dawkins were a "raving misogynist"  skepticscott   Jul-22-11 05:48 AM   #113 
  - "my focus has never been to disarm people of their inherent right to believe"  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 04:41 PM   #79 
  - Excuse me, but Dawkins advocated outlawing the teaching  humblebum   Jul-21-11 04:47 PM   #80 
     - Can I see a link for the Dawkins claim?  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 04:49 PM   #81 
     - There was nothing comical about hate speech and he did not  humblebum   Jul-21-11 05:06 PM   #83 
        - The link claims  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 05:28 PM   #85 
           - My point is that NEW atheism is very much about radical views and actions.  humblebum   Jul-21-11 05:33 PM   #87 
              - OK. What are the radical views and actions of new atheists? nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 05:48 PM   #92 
                 - what is this, deja vu? Didn't we just discuss this? nt  humblebum   Jul-21-11 06:47 PM   #96 
                    - You may have with someone else, but I don't remember discussing this with anyone  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 06:51 PM   #97 
                       - I believe the exhortation by Hitchens to show  humblebum   Jul-21-11 07:01 PM   #98 
                          - Might be considered radical by some; I agree with that. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-21-11 07:10 PM   #99 
                          - That's one guy  Goblinmonger   Jul-22-11 08:50 AM   #115 
     - deleted. sorry having posting problems.  humblebum   Jul-21-11 04:56 PM   #82 
  - "Cet animal est trs mchant: quand on l'attaque il se dfend."  dimbear   Jul-21-11 09:54 PM   #104 
  - New Atheism is largely War-on-Terror propaganda  CrawlingChaos   Jul-22-11 04:20 PM   #119 
  - So-called "New Atheism" has focused just as closely  skepticscott   Jul-22-11 08:13 PM   #124 
  - They most certainly have not  CrawlingChaos   Jul-22-11 09:21 PM   #128 
     - Yawn  skepticscott   Jul-23-11 04:46 AM   #129 
        - wow, that was quite a rebuttal  CrawlingChaos   Jul-23-11 03:29 PM   #132 
           - Since you gave me nothing much to rebut  skepticscott   Jul-23-11 04:36 PM   #134 
              - hardly cherry-picking  CrawlingChaos   Jul-23-11 07:38 PM   #139 
                 - Uh, yeah you did  skepticscott   Jul-23-11 08:56 PM   #140 
                    - you seem very confused  CrawlingChaos   Jul-23-11 09:55 PM   #141 
                       - Nice try  skepticscott   Jul-24-11 05:00 AM   #145 
                          - This rudeness  CrawlingChaos   Jul-24-11 06:21 AM   #146 
                             - And of course  skepticscott   Jul-24-11 06:35 AM   #147 
  - That might explain Hitchens' interest.  rug   Jul-22-11 08:15 PM   #125 
  - I rather dislike the term 'New Atheism'...  LeftishBrit   Jul-23-11 04:46 PM   #136 
  - I'll get back to you on this  tortoise1956   Jul-23-11 11:52 PM   #144 
 

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