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Thu Jul-21-11 09:24 AM
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| 29. LOL--well, there are a few Mrs. Rochesters in the mix., blowing hot air. |
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I'm talking here about the "all religious people are crazy/deluded" crowd.
The ones who think religous istruction for children is chlld abuse and "something should be done about it"--something legal, presuably, since that's how child abuse is addressed.
The adolescent idiots who feel they prove something by sticking a nail through a communion host.
The ones who wholeheartedly adopt the S. Acharya/Zeitgeist woo-woo and preach it enthusiastically as any born-aginner, proving once again that Barnum was right.
The ones who claim martyrdom, despite the fact that there have been fewer hate crimes against atheists than any other minority group.
Talking about what one is thinking is almost always good. But these guys spend a whole lot more time talking about what they think other people are thinking--and they're usually wrong.
And just incidentally, I see no reason why I, as a woman, should give attention to anything at all a raving misogynist has to say.
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| -Atheism versus New Atheism |
hyphenate |
Jul-21-11 12:22 AM |
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why should I have to respect someone's delusions? |
Doctor Hurt |
Jul-21-11 12:25 AM |
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+100 |
Taverner |
Jul-21-11 12:28 AM |
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For the same reason they need to respect your delusions |
Angry Dragon |
Jul-21-11 12:55 AM |
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I don't want my delusions respected. |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 07:03 AM |
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You can respect them at the same time they are challenged |
Angry Dragon |
Jul-21-11 01:52 PM |
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Again, I do not demand respect for my delusions, |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 02:37 PM |
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I don't care if they respect me. |
Doctor Hurt |
Jul-21-11 09:32 AM |
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So someone will respect your delusions enough to leave you alone. |
Kurmudgeon |
Jul-21-11 08:25 AM |
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I enjoy critical thinking and want my thoughts challenged. |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 08:29 AM |
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Nice cartoon downthread. |
rug |
Jul-21-11 08:46 AM |
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You have nailed it. nt |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 11:10 AM |
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that is what they said about Galileo nt |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 11:08 AM |
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Who said that about Galileo? |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 05:22 PM |
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i'm an atheist and i agree. |
DesertFlower |
Jul-21-11 12:49 AM |
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Thank you! Glad my opinion was not for naught! eom |
hyphenate |
Jul-21-11 05:39 PM |
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You're an accommodationist. |
stopbush |
Jul-21-11 01:48 AM |
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So you refuse to accomodate the religious because they refuse to accomodate you? |
Speck Tater |
Jul-21-11 03:18 AM |
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That's one reason I kind of like the "New Atheists." |
LAGC |
Jul-21-11 08:58 AM |
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I refuse to accomodate religion because it is wrong. |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 09:13 AM |
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So what does the God of Atheism look like? Is he White? Portly? |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 10:00 AM |
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You are completely, 100% dead wrong. |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 10:34 AM |
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I'm sorry, I may have made this more complicated than it needs to be. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 10:48 AM |
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And this is where you are in error, atheism isn't a belief system, its the lack of belief in a... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 12:28 PM |
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Please read the posts that I was responding to. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 10:20 PM |
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I don't believe in anything with 100% certainty, therein lies foolishness... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-22-11 07:06 PM |
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Oh that crap again |
dmallind |
Jul-21-11 12:32 PM |
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You know, I'd have far less of a problem with people criticizing my beliefs if they were actually... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 12:44 PM |
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Congratulations on being rich, please pay more taxes. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 10:27 PM |
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Wow what? Wow you finally understand what atheism means? |
dmallind |
Jul-22-11 08:29 AM |
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Let's just leave it at Wow. n/t |
A Simple Game |
Jul-22-11 04:32 PM |
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The default logical position is that there is no God. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Jul-21-11 03:10 PM |
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There is no God! You know you are in the minority, don't you? |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 11:00 PM |
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Just because millions believe something does not make it true. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Jul-22-11 12:57 AM |
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First of all let me thank you for an informative and thoughtful post. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-22-11 09:12 AM |
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How can you claim to be tolerant while saying that most of the religious people... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 10:34 AM |
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I judge no ones sincerity. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 11:23 AM |
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In 1200(B.C E. or C.E.?, assuming C.E.) I would have staked on the world being round... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 12:25 PM |
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So the world was round in 1200. Good for you. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-21-11 10:04 PM |
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Science and religion are completely different. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Jul-22-11 01:08 AM |
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I am not a scientist. If I gave that impression, I am sorry. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-22-11 09:34 AM |
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Now this post shows you really don't know what science is at all... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-22-11 05:49 PM |
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You seem to have a comprehension problem. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-22-11 08:45 PM |
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No, you have a writing comprehension problem... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-23-11 12:17 PM |
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Maybe this will help. |
A Simple Game |
Jul-23-11 04:17 PM |
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Has anyone ever proven, "you can't prove a negative?" |
immoderate |
Jul-21-11 10:47 PM |
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Yes, its impossible to do so without playing useless semantic games... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-22-11 05:54 PM |
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No one to speak of 'worships Atheism' |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-23-11 04:47 PM |
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It was a struggle, but I found one. Pete's friend on myspace: |
dimbear |
Jul-23-11 05:19 PM |
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And as Americans we all have the right to be obnoxious and overbearing. |
Speck Tater |
Jul-21-11 12:07 PM |
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Speak for yourself. |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 01:08 PM |
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You sure have a lot of faith in your ideas. |
Speck Tater |
Jul-21-11 04:13 PM |
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Hogwash and intellectual cowardice |
skepticscott |
Jul-22-11 03:32 PM |
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Well said, Speck Tater |
tortoise1956 |
Jul-23-11 11:19 PM |
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I agree--that's my point |
hyphenate |
Jul-22-11 08:53 PM |
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+1 |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 09:06 AM |
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too bad that you seem stuck in a view of religion that is dying a slow deserved death. |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 11:15 AM |
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You keep claiming this when all surveys show US believers are overwhelmingly stuck in that same view |
dmallind |
Jul-21-11 12:43 PM |
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And almost half believe we live in the "end times". n/t |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 12:50 PM |
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Because that's what they have to tell themselves. |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 04:21 PM |
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I never said it was the norm |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 07:51 PM |
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Good - and trust me its success will be inversely proportional to "atheist fundamentalism". nt |
dmallind |
Jul-21-11 10:14 PM |
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A strange thing to hear coming from someone |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 05:32 PM |
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sorry,but you are just inaccurate. |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 07:54 PM |
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Oh, indeed? Here are some of your characterizations |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 08:37 PM |
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No response, eh? |
skepticscott |
Jul-23-11 04:40 PM |
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Exactly who is trying "to disarm people of their inherent right to believe... |
Silent3 |
Jul-21-11 02:14 AM |
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Right-- that is true of any point of view, including yours nt |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 11:17 AM |
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Yes, so? |
Silent3 |
Jul-21-11 02:49 PM |
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Let's get Hitchens to stop going door to door leaving tracts. |
dimbear |
Jul-21-11 03:45 AM |
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Yeah, and he should stop extorting people every week for tithes and... |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 09:14 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-21-11 04:49 AM |
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Relgiousity is pervasive. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-21-11 06:22 AM |
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Have you actually read any of the "New Atheists"? |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 07:01 AM |
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I've never read them either, not really interested to be honest... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 01:11 PM |
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Yep, I've only read The God Delusion. |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 01:25 PM |
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That is the funny thing, except for perhaps Christopher Hitchens, all of the rest... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 01:30 PM |
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Accurate and well said. |
rug |
Jul-21-11 07:29 AM |
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Yeah and they are so dangerous! |
TZ |
Jul-21-11 08:12 AM |
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Athiest fundies, every bit as dangerous as any other kind of fundie. |
Kurmudgeon |
Jul-21-11 08:26 AM |
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Nice RW talking point. |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 08:31 AM |
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Do you prefer the term "fanattic atheist?" |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 08:47 AM |
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I don't think that's a word. |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 08:54 AM |
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LOL--well, there are a few Mrs. Rochesters in the mix., blowing hot air. |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 09:24 AM |
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There you go confusing |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 05:39 PM |
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Oh, and it's time for this again: |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 08:33 AM |
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Get back to me when atheists try to slit the throats of their children because the rapture isn't... |
Humanist_Activist |
Jul-21-11 11:59 AM |
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Yes! Just as dangerous. |
Evoman |
Jul-21-11 03:43 PM |
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Yep, just look at these atheists fundies |
skepticscott |
Jul-24-11 08:28 PM |
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Did it ever occur to you that more aggressive atheism is just...necessary? |
dmallind |
Jul-21-11 09:10 AM |
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It's probably not much of an exaggeration to say |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 05:43 PM |
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I wrote a response to this several years ago... |
Deep13 |
Jul-21-11 09:17 AM |
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Bingo. n/t |
trotsky |
Jul-21-11 10:55 AM |
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Seems like New Atheism is more a civil rights movement than anything else |
starroute |
Jul-21-11 09:59 AM |
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Oh for the love of Murphy! |
tortoise1956 |
Jul-23-11 11:31 PM |
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We're here, we're queer. We don't think the way you do. |
PassingFair |
Jul-21-11 10:29 AM |
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Unless you are queer, please don't attempt to co-opt an LGBT slogan. |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 12:36 PM |
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Who are you, WordCop? |
PassingFair |
Jul-21-11 12:45 PM |
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I'm a queer woman. |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 01:04 PM |
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You don't own words, or slogans. |
PassingFair |
Jul-21-11 01:08 PM |
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You lack respect for those who've put their lives on the line |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 02:13 PM |
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You don't seem to mind using offensive and ridiculous terms like "fundamentalist atheist".... |
PassingFair |
Jul-21-11 02:16 PM |
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You have no fucking clue how ironic your choice to take offense at those words is, do you? |
darkstar3 |
Jul-21-11 07:59 PM |
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Yes - after all gays and queers never co-opted any existing words! |
dmallind |
Jul-21-11 03:41 PM |
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What about a positive new theism? |
Thats my opinion |
Jul-21-11 11:06 AM |
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"...the kind of religion these new atheists reject." is any religion that |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 01:58 PM |
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Atheism tolerant, New Atheism intolerant. Huge difference. |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 01:40 PM |
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Old Atheism silent; New Atheism not silent. |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 03:14 PM |
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+1 |
PassingFair |
Jul-21-11 03:32 PM |
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+10000 |
Taverner |
Jul-21-11 04:18 PM |
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Depends on what you mean by Old atheism. If you are |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 04:37 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-21-11 06:39 PM |
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Yep, here's humblebum's picture of Dawkins: |
LAGC |
Jul-23-11 05:18 AM |
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Utter horseshit |
Taverner |
Jul-21-11 04:18 PM |
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deleted |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 04:34 PM |
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I can see getting upset with Hitchens, if you are a believer |
Taverner |
Jul-21-11 04:17 PM |
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Dawkins has turned out to be a raving misogynist. |
okasha |
Jul-21-11 05:36 PM |
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You have very perverted criteria |
skepticscott |
Jul-21-11 05:50 PM |
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I dunno about "raving misogynist," but yes he has said some misogynist things |
Taverner |
Jul-21-11 06:27 PM |
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If Dawkins were a "raving misogynist" |
skepticscott |
Jul-22-11 05:48 AM |
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"my focus has never been to disarm people of their inherent right to believe" |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 04:41 PM |
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Excuse me, but Dawkins advocated outlawing the teaching |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 04:47 PM |
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Can I see a link for the Dawkins claim? |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 04:49 PM |
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There was nothing comical about hate speech and he did not |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 05:06 PM |
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The link claims |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 05:28 PM |
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My point is that NEW atheism is very much about radical views and actions. |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 05:33 PM |
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OK. What are the radical views and actions of new atheists? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 05:48 PM |
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what is this, deja vu? Didn't we just discuss this? nt |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 06:47 PM |
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You may have with someone else, but I don't remember discussing this with anyone |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 06:51 PM |
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I believe the exhortation by Hitchens to show |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 07:01 PM |
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Might be considered radical by some; I agree with that. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-21-11 07:10 PM |
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That's one guy |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-22-11 08:50 AM |
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deleted. sorry having posting problems. |
humblebum |
Jul-21-11 04:56 PM |
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"Cet animal est très méchant: quand on l'attaque il se défend." |
dimbear |
Jul-21-11 09:54 PM |
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New Atheism is largely War-on-Terror propaganda |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-22-11 04:20 PM |
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So-called "New Atheism" has focused just as closely |
skepticscott |
Jul-22-11 08:13 PM |
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They most certainly have not |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-22-11 09:21 PM |
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Yawn |
skepticscott |
Jul-23-11 04:46 AM |
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wow, that was quite a rebuttal |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-23-11 03:29 PM |
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Since you gave me nothing much to rebut |
skepticscott |
Jul-23-11 04:36 PM |
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hardly cherry-picking |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-23-11 07:38 PM |
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Uh, yeah you did |
skepticscott |
Jul-23-11 08:56 PM |
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you seem very confused |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-23-11 09:55 PM |
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Nice try |
skepticscott |
Jul-24-11 05:00 AM |
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This rudeness |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-24-11 06:21 AM |
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And of course |
skepticscott |
Jul-24-11 06:35 AM |
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That might explain Hitchens' interest. |
rug |
Jul-22-11 08:15 PM |
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I rather dislike the term 'New Atheism'... |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-23-11 04:46 PM |
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I'll get back to you on this |
tortoise1956 |
Jul-23-11 11:52 PM |
#144 |
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