| 16. So am I supposed to be impressed with your ability to copy and paste? |
|
If I had wanted to write a book, I would have done so.
|
| -This is what happens when a religion is hijacked for political gain |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 03:35 PM |
#0 |
 -
No True Scotsman... |
provis99 |
Jun-29-11 03:39 PM |
#1 |
  -
somebody is going to have to explain the scotman thing to me |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 03:40 PM |
#3 |
| -
A Tired Forensic Wheeze, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 04:05 PM |
#7 |
| -
TY for the explanation |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 04:19 PM |
#10 |
| -
Here's the original source. |
laconicsax |
Jun-29-11 04:21 PM |
#11 |
| -
wow, somebody unrecced this? a little scared of the truth? |
niyad |
Jun-29-11 03:40 PM |
#2 |
| -
What truth? Everything in the OP seems like opinion. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-11 03:42 PM |
#4 |
| -
you mean the quote from hitler? are you the unrec? |
niyad |
Jun-29-11 03:43 PM |
#5 |
| -
I mean the post in its entirety, as a whole object. It's an opinion based OP. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-11 04:45 PM |
#19 |
| -
Okay I'll bite.. what in my op is opinion only? |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 03:52 PM |
#6 |
| -
"This is what happens when a religion is hijacked for political gain" |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-11 05:02 PM |
#20 |
| -
The point of the Hitler quote |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 07:25 PM |
#37 |
| -
There are a lot of different interpretations of Christianity, but they're all opinion. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-11 07:52 PM |
#38 |
| -
You miss the point.... but I tried. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 08:51 PM |
#41 |
| -
No, he knows what your point was. |
trotsky |
Jun-29-11 09:16 PM |
#42 |
| -
okay.. read my op and what is my point.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 08:53 AM |
#46 |
| -
Your assumption is that a religion was "hijacked." |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 09:02 AM |
#48 |
| -
Hitler killing millions of people is 180% opposite of my religious stance |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 09:15 AM |
#49 |
| -
Hitler believed he was saving Christianity, and working in the name of Jesus. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 09:46 AM |
#50 |
| -
Nope.. even if he believed it.. he was going 180 degrees away |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 09:53 AM |
#51 |
| -
Again, I am not disagreeing with you on that. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 09:56 AM |
#52 |
| -
The golden rule.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 09:59 AM |
#53 |
| -
Yes, thank you, that was my point. n/t |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 11:03 AM |
#56 |
| -
But again that is the whole premise of the orignal op. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 10:01 AM |
#54 |
| -
Not your faith, your INTERPRETATION of it. As I've been saying this whole time. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 11:03 AM |
#55 |
| -
We really are missing each other on this one aren't we |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 11:08 AM |
#57 |
| -
Zoom in on this: "the stated tenet of the belief system" |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 11:16 AM |
#58 |
| -
Yes I did zoom on exactly that.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 11:23 AM |
#59 |
| -
No, you're missing it completely. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 12:30 PM |
#62 |
| -
It is not open to interpretation.. and that is where we are missing one another |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 12:46 PM |
#64 |
| -
"but you cannot kill millions of people and say you are protecting the Christian faith" |
cleanhippie |
Jun-30-11 02:41 PM |
#72 |
| -
You cannot be a Christian and kill millions of people in gas chambers |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 02:54 PM |
#73 |
| -
Oh, so now its gas chambers? Your goalposts seem to have wheels. |
cleanhippie |
Jun-30-11 03:08 PM |
#74 |
| -
Hitler had millions killed in gas chambers.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 03:11 PM |
#75 |
| -
Lets review exatcly what you said. |
cleanhippie |
Jun-30-11 03:55 PM |
#79 |
| -
That is right you cannot kill millions of people and claim you are protecting the Christian faith |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 04:01 PM |
#80 |
| -
Still waiting for the biblical claim you said of Christians killing millions in the bible |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 04:03 PM |
#81 |
| -
This clearly is at a dead end. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 07:29 PM |
#90 |
| -
Well I do not know how to explain it anymore either. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 08:26 PM |
#93 |
| -
Answer me just one question that you have completely avoided: |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 08:32 PM |
#94 |
| -
Trotsky.. there is no wrong or right interpretations |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 08:37 PM |
#95 |
| -
You're still not answering the question. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 09:45 PM |
#98 |
| -
No. |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 06:04 AM |
#101 |
| -
Wow. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 06:16 AM |
#103 |
| -
You really are having a hard time with this |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 06:53 AM |
#104 |
| -
You sound as certain about your beliefs... |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 07:06 AM |
#105 |
| -
I am certain that you cannot kill millions of people and claim |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 07:59 AM |
#108 |
| -
What if an army of 2 million soldiers had their sworn goal as the destruction of Christianity? |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 08:17 AM |
#110 |
| -
I thought you left.. you keep saying goodby and back in :) |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 08:34 AM |
#113 |
| -
You're getting closer! |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 08:50 AM |
#114 |
| -
No you cannot take this and make an argument for Hitler |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 08:53 AM |
#115 |
| -
I'm not making an argument for him. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 08:55 AM |
#116 |
| -
So a person of faith has no right to have perimeters or values to live by? |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 08:59 AM |
#117 |
| -
I didn't say that. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 09:02 AM |
#118 |
| -
In this case, it is not what I said.. it is what the text for Christians say |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 09:08 AM |
#119 |
| -
Because you said so. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 09:14 AM |
#120 |
| -
We are done again? |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 09:19 AM |
#121 |
| -
Well, I kinda thought we had a chance for some progress... |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 09:20 AM |
#122 |
| -
Oh trotsky.. I have enjoyed talking to you |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 09:23 AM |
#123 |
| -
I always find it amazing when someone is in their own circular logic loop and cannot see it. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-01-11 01:57 PM |
#130 |
| -
Still waiting for the biblical claim you said of Christians killing millions in the bible |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 02:16 PM |
#131 |
| -
Since google must not be working for you... |
cleanhippie |
Jul-01-11 04:20 PM |
#136 |
| -
The only person rationalizing.. is you.. |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 04:41 PM |
#139 |
| -
Wait, what? You are the one that believes in the supernatural, and *I* am the one rationalizing? |
cleanhippie |
Jul-01-11 05:10 PM |
#141 |
| -
Just admit it.. You were wrong.. |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 05:18 PM |
#143 |
| -
No he's right. |
edhopper |
Jul-02-11 08:28 AM |
#145 |
| -
You are making the same error that he did |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 08:35 AM |
#146 |
| -
So was the OT God |
edhopper |
Jul-02-11 08:44 AM |
#147 |
| -
Now you are on a totally differenet subject. |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 08:48 AM |
#148 |
| -
No I am going by YOUR assertion that |
edhopper |
Jul-02-11 09:29 AM |
#150 |
| -
You can't |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 09:35 AM |
#151 |
| -
So the |
edhopper |
Jul-02-11 09:51 AM |
#152 |
| -
You want me to defend my belief system? |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 10:12 AM |
#153 |
| -
You can believe what you want |
edhopper |
Jul-02-11 12:17 PM |
#158 |
| -
Ah, so you don't believe that any of the genocides and massacres |
okasha |
Jul-02-11 12:36 PM |
#159 |
| -
There is nothing to defend..Absolutes have a place when you define yourself. |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 01:36 PM |
#160 |
| -
ed.. I have to get going for a while |
Peacetrain |
Jul-02-11 10:31 AM |
#154 |
| -
How about your answering the question I asked in #149? |
okasha |
Jul-02-11 10:34 AM |
#155 |
| -
Let's get something clear. |
okasha |
Jul-02-11 08:59 AM |
#149 |
| -
That's exactly what the claim is. It's always the same, |
Leontius |
Jul-02-11 10:37 AM |
#156 |
| -
He certainly seems to be avoiding the question. |
okasha |
Jul-02-11 10:46 AM |
#157 |
| -
Sure. It's a "gotcha." |
okasha |
Jul-02-11 03:43 PM |
#161 |
| -
Are these questions for |
edhopper |
Jul-03-11 09:36 AM |
#162 |
| -
They're for you, |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 09:54 AM |
#163 |
| -
The point I was making was in to reference to |
edhopper |
Jul-03-11 10:13 AM |
#164 |
| -
So why don't you ask Peacetrain whether she believes |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 11:55 AM |
#168 |
| -
I am not sure where you are coming from |
edhopper |
Jul-03-11 12:02 PM |
#169 |
| -
You're attempting to relate things that aren't related. |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 12:39 PM |
#170 |
| -
But to be straight |
edhopper |
Jul-03-11 12:50 PM |
#171 |
| -
If you're referring to the Bible, |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 12:59 PM |
#172 |
| -
But there is nothing to convince one |
skepticscott |
Jul-03-11 01:16 PM |
#173 |
| -
Excellent explanation of what the Bible is and the diversity of the |
Leontius |
Jul-03-11 02:21 PM |
#174 |
| -
I see several such themes. |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 03:33 PM |
#175 |
| -
Was "love thy neighbor" |
skepticscott |
Jul-03-11 06:24 PM |
#176 |
| -
Well, scott, first you want to prove that the slaughter took place. |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 06:50 PM |
#177 |
| -
Sheesh, could your argument be any lamer? |
skepticscott |
Jul-03-11 08:46 PM |
#178 |
| -
Actually, there are several issues here. |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 09:06 PM |
#179 |
| -
As scott pointed out |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 08:52 AM |
#180 |
| -
Wrong. |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 09:48 AM |
#181 |
| -
What we don't understand |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 10:39 AM |
#182 |
| -
For what has got to be the dozenth time: |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 12:07 PM |
#184 |
| -
What do you believe as a pagan? |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 01:23 PM |
#186 |
| -
I'm a panentheist. |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 03:16 PM |
#191 |
| -
The point, since you seem to need to have it explained to you |
skepticscott |
Jul-04-11 11:43 AM |
#183 |
| -
Are you asserting none of it is true |
edhopper |
Jul-03-11 10:15 AM |
#165 |
| -
No. That was your assertion. |
okasha |
Jul-03-11 10:47 AM |
#166 |
| -
I suggest you actually read the book. |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 12:10 PM |
#185 |
| -
You mean the Bible? |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 01:45 PM |
#187 |
| -
Or do you mean Crossan |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 02:55 PM |
#188 |
| -
I do suggest Crossan. |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 03:04 PM |
#190 |
| -
I apologize, edhopper. |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 03:00 PM |
#189 |
| -
Okay |
edhopper |
Jul-04-11 05:05 PM |
#192 |
| -
Simple rule: |
okasha |
Jul-04-11 05:48 PM |
#193 |
| -
delete for thread glitch |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 12:48 PM |
#65 |
| -
delete for thread glitch |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 12:49 PM |
#66 |
| -
Where do you get that Hitler was saving Christianity? |
Leontius |
Jun-30-11 11:37 AM |
#60 |
| -
Mein Kampf. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 12:32 PM |
#63 |
| -
Then you must also accept this as true, right, Hitler said it. |
Leontius |
Jun-30-11 02:22 PM |
#71 |
| -
"Not an exact quote but I believe quite close..." |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 07:26 PM |
#89 |
| -
It is rather a long speech and I have no time to type the whole thing |
Leontius |
Jun-30-11 09:20 PM |
#96 |
| -
Ah yes, the classic dodge. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 09:46 PM |
#99 |
| -
Backed up my statement with the name and date of speech |
Leontius |
Jun-30-11 11:02 PM |
#100 |
| -
Are all Christians as pleasant and accommodating as you? |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 06:15 AM |
#102 |
| -
I am quite pleasant when I'm not automatically accused of lying, |
Leontius |
Jul-01-11 07:48 AM |
#106 |
| -
Didn't accuse you of lying. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 07:50 AM |
#107 |
| -
I will, thanks, but one simple question, why the |
Leontius |
Jul-01-11 08:12 AM |
#109 |
| -
Because it *is* a classic dodge. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 08:18 AM |
#111 |
| -
Okay got you, bottle fed |
Leontius |
Jul-01-11 08:24 AM |
#112 |
| -
"Hitler killing millions of people is 180% opposite of my religious stance" |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 12:58 PM |
#68 |
| -
Good read.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 01:42 PM |
#70 |
| -
My intrepration of Christian scripture is significantly closer to yours than Hitler's. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 03:21 PM |
#76 |
| -
I am following your line of thought |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 03:28 PM |
#78 |
| -
Most interpretations I am aware of believe love thy neighbor refers to humans only. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 06:28 PM |
#87 |
| -
We do have some hints. |
okasha |
Jun-30-11 05:13 PM |
#83 |
| -
Clearly your third party undocumented rumors trump everything else. |
trotsky |
Jun-30-11 07:31 PM |
#91 |
| -
President Obama has not gone to church very often since he became our executive. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 08:23 PM |
#92 |
| -
Of course, not attending church isn't evidence a person doesn't believe in God. |
okasha |
Jun-30-11 09:21 PM |
#97 |
| -
Anyone who uses birth control wouldn't be considered a "good" or "devout" Catholic either. |
trotsky |
Jul-01-11 09:36 AM |
#124 |
| -
I agree Hitler was not an ideal Catholic. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-01-11 12:26 PM |
#128 |
| -
Will you directly state the point? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-29-11 10:03 PM |
#44 |
| -
See post 46 |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 08:54 AM |
#47 |
| -
I completely understand not wanting to have the same conversation with two different posters, |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 12:25 PM |
#61 |
| -
Sounds great.. look forward to it |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 12:53 PM |
#67 |
| -
I made the following reply... |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-30-11 01:03 PM |
#69 |
| -
Nowadays, it's flown into the structure of government. |
damntexdem |
Jun-29-11 04:10 PM |
#8 |
| -
“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion” nt |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 04:18 PM |
#9 |
| -
Ahh...but there you have it.. the state became the tyrant |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 04:24 PM |
#12 |
| -
So are you saying that atheism is not an element of Marxism? NT |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 04:30 PM |
#14 |
| -
Nope not at all..but the origins of the socialistic state should have been |
Peacetrain |
Jun-29-11 04:34 PM |
#15 |
| -
Agree. |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 04:38 PM |
#17 |
| -
Indeed. |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-03-11 11:54 AM |
#167 |
| -
If You Are Going You Quote Marx, Mr. Bum, Quote Marx.... |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 04:28 PM |
#13 |
| -
So am I supposed to be impressed with your ability to copy and paste? |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 04:35 PM |
#16 |
| -
You, Sir, Are Supposed To and Expected To Whine, As You Have Done |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 04:44 PM |
#18 |
| -
It is hardly necessary to recite the "whole body of Marxist thought" |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 05:14 PM |
#22 |
| -
When You say That Quote is Its essence, Sir, It Certainly is Necessary To Show Knowledge Of It All |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 05:19 PM |
#23 |
| -
I never said "That Quote is Its essence", but that particular quote |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 05:23 PM |
#24 |
| -
Not So, Sir: You Maintain Communism Is All About Atheism, and Brandish that As Proof |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 05:25 PM |
#25 |
| -
I also never said nor suggested "Communism Is All About Atheism." |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 05:32 PM |
#26 |
| -
There You Go Again, Sir, Contradicting Your Opener In The Body Of the Comment |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 05:43 PM |
#27 |
| -
I have never even suggested that communism was all about atheism |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 05:53 PM |
#28 |
| -
This Is Too Sad To Continue With, Fella, On Such a Sunny Day With a Grand-Daughter On My Lap |
The Magistrate |
Jun-29-11 05:57 PM |
#29 |
| -
Enjoy your grandchildren. |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 06:10 PM |
#32 |
| -
It is you who have ludicrously attempted to attribute |
skepticscott |
Jun-29-11 06:09 PM |
#31 |
| -
And where did i ever do that? nt |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 06:12 PM |
#33 |
| -
Here, among many other places... |
skepticscott |
Jun-29-11 06:34 PM |
#34 |
| -
A true statement. They were atheists and atheist dictators. |
humblebum |
Jun-29-11 06:58 PM |
#36 |
| -
Not surprised to see you continue your |
skepticscott |
Jun-29-11 08:19 PM |
#39 |
| -
History is what it is. Sorry if that bothers you. nt |
humblebum |
Jun-30-11 02:50 AM |
#45 |
| -
And they weren't all poker players or dictators with brown hair, |
humblebum |
Jun-30-11 03:23 PM |
#77 |
| -
Oh, please, show us the documentation |
skepticscott |
Jun-30-11 04:51 PM |
#82 |
| -
There you go again purposely misquoting me. Where did I |
humblebum |
Jun-30-11 05:32 PM |
#84 |
| -
You said that 130 million people |
skepticscott |
Jun-30-11 06:00 PM |
#85 |
| -
Those sources do indeed enumerate the incidents that I have |
humblebum |
Jun-30-11 06:15 PM |
#86 |
| -
Since You Continue This, Sir, The Fraud You Engage In Should Be Laid Out Clearly For The Audience |
The Magistrate |
Jul-01-11 01:55 PM |
#129 |
| -
Your are making some outrageous assumptions about what you |
humblebum |
Jul-01-11 02:19 PM |
#132 |
| -
You Have Confronted Me With Nothing But Very Poor Efforts At Propaganda, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-01-11 03:35 PM |
#133 |
| -
There is no question that you are in denial. |
humblebum |
Jul-01-11 04:07 PM |
#134 |
| -
You Do Not Even Present A Point With That, Sir, Let Alone Sustain It |
The Magistrate |
Jul-01-11 04:15 PM |
#135 |
| -
You keep trying to tell me what I think and what I am trying to rebutt, |
humblebum |
Jul-01-11 04:34 PM |
#137 |
| -
If You Find Accurate Description Uncomfortable, Sir, There is Always The Option Of Change.... |
The Magistrate |
Jul-01-11 04:38 PM |
#138 |
| -
You seem to be the one to "Find Accurate Description Uncomfortable." |
humblebum |
Jul-01-11 05:05 PM |
#140 |
| -
This, Sir, is Below Even Your Own Accustomed Level, Poor As It Is |
The Magistrate |
Jul-01-11 05:13 PM |
#142 |
| -
Your blizzard of phony accusations, sir, has been nothing more |
humblebum |
Jul-01-11 05:38 PM |
#144 |
| -
! |
laconicsax |
Jun-29-11 06:37 PM |
#35 |
| -
Important warning; thanks! |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-29-11 05:06 PM |
#21 |
| -
Is it the exception or the rule in history |
skepticscott |
Jun-29-11 06:07 PM |
#30 |
| -
How is our current time anything particularly different or special ? |
dimbear |
Jun-29-11 08:24 PM |
#40 |
| -
Now this sounds interesting... |
onager |
Jun-29-11 09:39 PM |
#43 |
| -
Thanks for posting Peacetrain |
edhopper |
Jun-30-11 07:01 PM |
#88 |
| -
.... |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 10:33 AM |
#127 |
| -
I guess I thought religion existed for political gain. |
Deep13 |
Jul-01-11 09:38 AM |
#125 |
| -
Which came first the chicken or the egg? Good question |
Peacetrain |
Jul-01-11 10:31 AM |
#126 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore