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64. There were a lot of aspects about Jesus that didn't fit the paradigm of neo-liberal corporatism
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 04:49 AM by peopleb4money
He wanted his disciples to sell all their possessions and give the proceeds to the poor, he told people to love others as they love their selves, to not be judgmental, etc etc. The only people he really ever lashed out at were those that profited off the spirituality of others, the money changers in the temple and the priests that profited from that exploitation. He'd give the same treatment to all these con-man, mega-church pastors today that use the offering plate to pay for vacations, lavish homes, and fancy cars, as opposed to helping the poor and in need. I see these gaudy, ostentatious buildings like the crystal cathedral that pastors use to further inflate their already massive egos, and wonder how many poor, starving people around the world those millions of dollars could have helped feed. I'm convinced all these mega-church pastors are going to hell.

I find it fascinating that these fake Christian politicians, like Paul Ryan, can get in front of crowds of people and convince them that Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ are compatible. She was very clear in her belief that Altruism was bad and that self interest was the ultimate good, as well as her low opinion of Christians. She had a much higher opinion of a serial killer who dismembered a 12 year old girl than she did Jesus, specifically for the fact that he had no sense of social responsibility whatsoever. Do a google search on that. I'm not making it up.

Here's my favorite scene from Jesus of Nazareth
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  -I need to stand up for my own.. Liberal Christians.. Peacetrain  Jun-24-11 07:19 PM   #0 
  - Rec!  jorno67   Jun-24-11 07:21 PM   #1 
  - Liberal Christians are even ridiculed by people here at DU  bluestateguy   Jun-24-11 07:23 PM   #2 
  - Indeed. It's disgusting. And I'm not even a practicing Christian.  kestrel91316   Jun-24-11 07:26 PM   #5 
  - If you're not practicing ...  Kennah   Jun-24-11 07:42 PM   #9 
     - Silly, it means that any spiritual thoughts I have are inside my head,  kestrel91316   Jun-25-11 12:36 AM   #56 
  - Evangelical atheists  ashling   Jun-24-11 07:31 PM   #7 
  - +1  Maru Kitteh   Jun-24-11 10:54 PM   #43 
  - I know just what you mean..  Fumesucker   Jun-24-11 11:30 PM   #50 
  - really? Seriously? So atheists try to pass laws that take away other people's rights?  krabigirl   Jun-25-11 01:17 PM   #81 
  - really? Please post links as to how they've spent years converting others to their ideas  Donnachaidh   Jun-25-11 01:27 PM   #85 
  - no such thing as an "evangelical atheist", it's a (rather obsurd) oxymoron  inna   Jun-25-11 02:00 PM   #88 
  - anyone can evangelize on any subject, including atheism.  kwassa   Jun-25-11 04:35 PM   #102 
     - Thank you.  ashling   Jun-25-11 08:29 PM   #118 
  - Did you even stop to think about  skepticscott   Jun-25-11 05:37 PM   #104 
  - Not all fundamentalists are Dominionists.  okasha   Jun-26-11 08:58 AM   #131 
     - If that's the extent  skepticscott   Jun-26-11 02:54 PM   #154 
        - Sorry, I don't have a goat. Can't keep 'em in the city.  okasha   Jun-26-11 03:07 PM   #156 
  - Neither is *bad*, unless they seek to impose ideologically-based rules on others by law  LeftishBrit   Jun-25-11 06:22 PM   #107 
  - Yes and no.  kwassa   Jun-25-11 09:52 PM   #120 
     - So is the complaining 'only language'  LeftishBrit   Jun-26-11 04:19 AM   #128 
  - Uh huh.  laconicsax   Jun-25-11 06:58 PM   #113 
  - Oh horseshit  EvolveOrConvolve   Jun-25-11 10:27 PM   #122 
  - You obviously don't know any evangelical christians, then.  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:37 AM   #135 
  - Funny, one thing I NEVER see around here is atheists making....  PassingFair   Jun-27-11 10:49 AM   #173 
  - I'm an atheist, but I think that type of derision is very weak-minded.  Throd   Jun-24-11 07:55 PM   #14 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-24-11 08:57 PM   #35 
  - I don't usually say stuff like that, but let me propose that it may not be directed at you.  Capitalocracy   Jun-25-11 01:27 PM   #84 
  - I'm sorry, but if you're going to call that "athiest mockery" then please offer...  mike_c   Jun-25-11 02:27 PM   #92 
  - Excellent post!!!!!! Well Done!!!!  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:38 AM   #136 
  - It actually happens on both sides  LeftishBrit   Jun-25-11 06:34 PM   #110 
  - Well, all *true* Scotsmen like haggis.  AlabamaLibrul   Jun-24-11 07:24 PM   #3 
  - The few full blooded Scotsmen I know hate the stuff, but you're implying something not in the OP.  bluesbassman   Jun-24-11 08:11 PM   #19 
     - "we are targeted by crazies who do not even understand the core of the religion they claim to be a  AlabamaLibrul   Jun-25-11 01:26 AM   #59 
     - Actually, it would seem that YOU do NOT know it.  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:40 AM   #137 
  - it is unfortunate that Christianity has been hijacked by religious zelots  think   Jun-24-11 07:26 PM   #4 
  - Yes it is..When I hear someone like a Limbaugh pontificate on things  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 07:32 PM   #8 
     - And they could point to  skepticscott   Jun-25-11 06:03 PM   #106 
  - I say that I am believe in the Jesus sect of Chistianity  LiberalArkie   Jun-24-11 07:31 PM   #6 
  - there is a group called "red letter Christians" they focuss only on what Jesus said  jorno67   Jun-24-11 07:49 PM   #13 
     - Cool, had never heard of that.  Union Scribe   Jun-25-11 03:28 AM   #62 
     - Too cool, thanks for this!  Zoeisright   Jun-25-11 11:45 AM   #70 
     - As an atheist, I'm a more red letter christian than most of the christians I know or come across  Fuzz   Jun-25-11 12:03 PM   #72 
  - Yes, too often it is forgotten that..  TreasonousBastard   Jun-24-11 07:45 PM   #10 
  - Rec  cordelia   Jun-24-11 07:47 PM   #11 
  - One of my best friends is a devout, liberal Catholic  Kennah   Jun-24-11 07:47 PM   #12 
  - I am married to a liberal Catholic, who played the Vatican Rag  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:07 PM   #18 
  - First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head in great respect and  kwassa   Jun-24-11 11:03 PM   #46 
     - get in line in that processional  End Of The Road   Jun-25-11 04:18 PM   #100 
        - If it is try playing it safer  LeftishBrit   Jun-25-11 06:49 PM   #112 
  - Thats my cross as well  999998th word   Jun-25-11 12:48 AM   #58 
  - "Pro-Life equals Real Catholic"  trotsky   Jun-26-11 10:56 AM   #141 
     - Yes, and "Pro-life" also means anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-poverty, and anti-torture  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-26-11 11:27 AM   #143 
        - Yep, both liberal and conservative Catholics ignore what they don't like...  trotsky   Jun-26-11 04:21 PM   #159 
  - State of Belief. Try this radio program by Interfaith Alliance.  no_hypocrisy   Jun-24-11 08:00 PM   #15 
  - k&r  DesertRat   Jun-24-11 08:05 PM   #16 
  - I don't mean to seem critical...  brooklynite   Jun-24-11 08:06 PM   #17 
  - To liberal Christians- the entire OT is allegory.  KittyWampus   Jun-24-11 08:14 PM   #20 
  - but that's my point...  brooklynite   Jun-24-11 08:16 PM   #22 
     - The Old Testament is not "written off as allegory". It's intentionally understood as allegory  KittyWampus   Jun-24-11 08:33 PM   #29 
        - Well since you seem to have the bible all figured out, why don't you confront those that do not?  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:43 AM   #138 
           - Wrong.  okasha   Jun-26-11 01:31 PM   #147 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 02:25 PM   #151 
           - In the UK, many Christian liberals *do* confront the religious right  LeftishBrit   Jun-26-11 04:56 PM   #160 
           - Because the fundie preachers have told their flocks that liberal Christians  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-26-11 10:20 PM   #170 
  - That is a good question and I do not take it as critical at all.  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:24 PM   #25 
  - here's the way I see it...  jorno67   Jun-24-11 08:27 PM   #27 
  - So you believe every christian  Riftaxe   Jun-24-11 09:12 PM   #37 
  - You miss my point...  brooklynite   Jun-24-11 11:25 PM   #49 
     - Since I am not a Christian  Riftaxe   Jun-24-11 11:56 PM   #51 
  - The tenets laid down by whom? The priests who decided which books to include in the NT?  DevonRex   Jun-25-11 01:28 PM   #86 
  - Right there with ya.  w8liftinglady   Jun-24-11 08:15 PM   #21 
  - I hear that..  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:28 PM   #28 
  - liberal shoutn' methodist here...  madrchsod   Jun-24-11 08:17 PM   #23 
  - Love the UM's.. my son is a UM..  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:26 PM   #26 
     - i have`t gone to my church in years but..  madrchsod   Jun-24-11 08:34 PM   #30 
        - yep... I am UCC (United Church of Christ) congregational.. and the UCC's  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:42 PM   #31 
           - Your son could have also joined the Church of England.  kentauros   Jun-24-11 11:24 PM   #48 
              - I am going to send that to him  Peacetrain   Jun-25-11 12:18 PM   #77 
              - I love it, too!  kentauros   Jun-25-11 01:21 PM   #82 
              - but then he would have had to  dana_b   Jun-25-11 02:53 PM   #95 
                 - Or put up with a "minimal" congregation.  kentauros   Jun-25-11 07:58 PM   #116 
  - Thank you! I've been thinking much the same -  lynne   Jun-24-11 08:21 PM   #24 
  - ...  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:44 PM   #33 
  - Thank you, Peacetrain, for bringing this to people's attention  checks-n-balances   Jun-24-11 08:44 PM   #32 
  - I just cringe when I hear a Pat Roberston blast off with something.. and  Peacetrain   Jun-24-11 08:48 PM   #34 
  - While not a christian myself  Riftaxe   Jun-24-11 09:04 PM   #36 
  - Episcopalian here from a parish that went overwhelmingly for Kerry and Obama  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-24-11 09:17 PM   #38 
  - One of the coolest people in Christianity is Episcopalian:  kentauros   Jun-24-11 11:16 PM   #47 
  - I'm a cynical atheist, but I like liberal Christians.  philly_bob   Jun-24-11 09:58 PM   #39 
  - K&R. But my beliefs have changed. I no longer (nor ever really did) believe in the magic man  Kurovski   Jun-24-11 10:33 PM   #40 
  - Agreed, Peacetrain. Another UCC here. (Son of a preacher man)  FailureToCommunicate   Jun-24-11 10:52 PM   #41 
  - K & R, and thanks for this thread - it's an important one. n/t  Maru Kitteh   Jun-24-11 10:54 PM   #42 
  - I'm more into ethics than denominational hairsplitting  eridani   Jun-24-11 10:57 PM   #44 
  - I am from an Episcopal church with a gay married woman as clergy  kwassa   Jun-24-11 11:01 PM   #45 
  - My mom's Episcopal minister is gay.  Kablooie   Jun-25-11 03:19 AM   #61 
  - Well clearly, you are all going to Hell.  Kurovski   Jun-25-11 01:15 PM   #79 
     - And I forgot to add this...  Kurovski   Jun-25-11 02:01 PM   #89 
  - It's okay, Peacetrain. Some of my best friends are liberal Christians.  LiberalAndProud   Jun-25-11 12:06 AM   #52 
  - I'd like to add that I am a Liberal Christian because I value & understand Justice and respect for  patrice   Jun-25-11 12:11 AM   #53 
  - Episcopalian here  jcboon   Jun-25-11 12:18 AM   #54 
  - My grandfather and uncle were Episcopalian Ministers.  Kablooie   Jun-25-11 12:19 AM   #55 
  - Sweet! Thanks for the encouraging info! It is good to think of there being such a family.  patrice   Jun-25-11 12:47 AM   #57 
  - Yep. KnR  Lucinda   Jun-25-11 03:06 AM   #60 
  - K&R  JoeyT   Jun-25-11 03:57 AM   #63 
  - There were a lot of aspects about Jesus that didn't fit the paradigm of neo-liberal corporatism  peopleb4money   Jun-25-11 04:42 AM   #64 
  - Liberal Presbyterian (PCUSA) checking in!  NutmegYankee   Jun-25-11 06:26 AM   #65 
  - My denomination--the Episcopalians--was split asunder by gay rights.  mistertrickster   Jun-25-11 10:24 AM   #66 
  - And my church just hosted a Communion service for attendees at the  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-26-11 10:27 PM   #171 
  - Liberal Catholic here  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-25-11 11:05 AM   #67 
  - K&R n/t  OhioChick   Jun-25-11 11:21 AM   #68 
  - I have no problems with Christians who understand the difference...  bvar22   Jun-25-11 11:40 AM   #69 
  - The Great Commandment in many religions and philosophies..  Peacetrain   Jun-25-11 12:08 PM   #73 
  - This Liberal Atheist Gave you a Rec  fascisthunter   Jun-25-11 12:02 PM   #71 
  - Thank you  Peacetrain   Jun-25-11 12:15 PM   #75 
     - It is... I find myself going to the same church..  fascisthunter   Jun-25-11 12:22 PM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-11 12:11 PM   #74 
  - Liberal Christians are some of my favorite people  ismnotwasm   Jun-25-11 12:18 PM   #76 
  - I'm cool with liberal Christians, but some are not cool with those who don't believe.  krabigirl   Jun-25-11 01:16 PM   #80 
  - The key is for people to specify what they stand for, not what it's called.  DirkGently   Jun-25-11 01:21 PM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-11 01:45 PM   #87 
  - There is no respectful way to call people "kooks"  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-25-11 02:27 PM   #91 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-11 02:34 PM   #93 
  - Sometimes it can be difficult.. because people of faith get tarred by the same brush  Peacetrain   Jun-25-11 02:45 PM   #94 
  - thank you for being willing to discuss this....  mike_c   Jun-25-11 07:43 PM   #115 
     - There is nothing respectful about describing all religious believers as delusional.  kwassa   Jun-25-11 09:59 PM   #121 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 02:19 PM   #150 
     - Your defensiveness speaks volumes  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-26-11 11:19 AM   #142 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 02:33 PM   #153 
  - you are looking for outward evidence, it is within and if you have not experienced it  seabeyond   Jun-25-11 03:54 PM   #97 
  - Despicable  cordelia   Jun-25-11 04:17 PM   #99 
  - Humans are not a strictly rational species, our rationality is compartmentalized (at best)  entanglement   Jun-25-11 04:50 PM   #103 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-11 07:30 PM   #114 
     - If it's true that 90-95% are religious. (Where does that figure come from?) then...  Kurovski   Jun-26-11 09:07 AM   #132 
        - It depends on how you count  entanglement   Jun-26-11 01:57 PM   #148 
           - Thanks. (nt)  Kurovski   Jun-26-11 02:02 PM   #149 
  - K&R! Also liberal faith in general is inclusive,  felix_numinous   Jun-25-11 02:17 PM   #90 
  - Liberal Christians are still Christians  mr blur   Jun-25-11 03:43 PM   #96 
  - but who would think that all the religious are delusional?  kwassa   Jun-25-11 04:33 PM   #101 
  - K&R. I, myself, am not religious. However, I have recently found....  OneGrassRoot   Jun-25-11 03:57 PM   #98 
  - Here's an idea for a truce. Let the Christians take the same insouciant attitude toward  dimbear   Jun-25-11 05:50 PM   #105 
  - Someone makes fun of atheists for believing in hell?  okasha   Jun-25-11 06:47 PM   #111 
  - Well, there is another fine display of obtuseness. How expected.  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:47 AM   #139 
  - When did anyone on DU ever condemn you to hell?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-26-11 10:30 PM   #172 
  - I agree that liberals/left-wingers are 'all in it together'  LeftishBrit   Jun-25-11 06:26 PM   #108 
  - Suppose that  skepticscott   Jun-25-11 06:28 PM   #109 
  - +1  mike_c   Jun-25-11 08:07 PM   #117 
  - You miss the point  kwassa   Jun-25-11 10:35 PM   #124 
     - If you can demonstrate  skepticscott   Jun-25-11 10:50 PM   #125 
        - The difference is that many Christians are not Bible literalists  kwassa   Jun-26-11 12:06 AM   #127 
        - You seem to get stuck on the word "delusional"  Meshuga   Jun-26-11 07:07 AM   #129 
        - I get stuck on the word "all". No group is all anything.  kwassa   Jun-26-11 08:37 PM   #167 
           - I have reasons to conclude that you get stuck on the word "delusional"  Meshuga   Jun-27-11 08:47 PM   #182 
        - Your argument assumes that  skepticscott   Jun-26-11 08:00 AM   #130 
        - I think that if you poll the members of those churches ..  kwassa   Jun-26-11 08:50 PM   #168 
        - Do you believe jesus was the son of god, died on the cross for your sins, and was resurrected?  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 09:49 AM   #140 
           - I believe Jesus was a son of God and died on the cross  kwassa   Jun-26-11 08:52 PM   #169 
        - Nice false equivalency.  Sal316   Jun-26-11 11:38 AM   #144 
           - Is that it?  skepticscott   Jun-26-11 02:58 PM   #155 
              - Yes, it is.  Sal316   Jun-26-11 05:52 PM   #162 
                 - Allow me--How. Is. It. Different?  Goblinmonger   Jun-26-11 07:14 PM   #165 
                 - Spare me your blather  skepticscott   Jun-27-11 03:08 PM   #175 
  - Depends on what you mean by "House of God"  SarahM32   Jun-25-11 08:43 PM   #119 
  - Welcome to DU, SarahM32!  Kurovski   Jun-26-11 09:09 AM   #133 
     - Thanks. I hope I can contribute..  SarahM32   Jun-26-11 12:20 PM   #145 
  - Alright, who had #0 in this month's Scotsman pool?  EvolveOrConvolve   Jun-25-11 10:29 PM   #123 
  - I never think to take 0  Goblinmonger   Jun-26-11 07:15 PM   #166 
  - Is it a fresh breeze?  Thats my opinion   Jun-25-11 11:33 PM   #126 
  - You're funny.  rrneck   Jun-26-11 09:35 AM   #134 
  - Nope. Just the same stale windbags.  onager   Jun-26-11 01:02 PM   #146 
  - Yeah, much like replacing one fart with another is a "fresh breeze."  cleanhippie   Jun-26-11 02:27 PM   #152 
  - It's hard to tell beforehand which direction the wind will blow.  dimbear   Jun-26-11 05:56 PM   #163 
  - I would rather have this op deleted than leave it in here.  Peacetrain   Jun-26-11 03:31 PM   #157 
  - Let it stand, Peacetrain.  okasha   Jun-26-11 04:09 PM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 05:07 PM   #161 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-26-11 06:54 PM   #164 
  - Stand up to whom though? DU?  dmallind   Jun-27-11 02:08 PM   #174 
     - First of all..this was originally posted in GD.. not some obscure sub folder  Peacetrain   Jun-27-11 03:30 PM   #176 
        - Not offended at all - was your concern then the attack by fundies?  dmallind   Jun-27-11 03:46 PM   #177 
           - Nope it was just a statement.. I am not a kook, not a creationist  Peacetrain   Jun-27-11 03:57 PM   #178 
              - Well responses #2 and #7 blamed atheists right away, so it's hardly surprising they/we responded  dmallind   Jun-27-11 04:16 PM   #179 
                 - There were a number of sky fairy  Peacetrain   Jun-27-11 04:31 PM   #180 
                    - I think we're talking at cross purposes  dmallind   Jun-27-11 04:50 PM   #181 

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