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9. Hmmmm where to start, where to start....
Edited on Thu Jun-23-11 10:06 PM by Taverner
I Corinthians is a nice place to start, since newlyweds love to quote this book at weddings:

If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17

Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10 : 9

If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10

Hmmm, maybe we should look at the letters to the Thessalonians...

God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10

Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (becasue they're going to hell). 4:13

Oh but that's just Paul - such a joker he was!

What about the man himself, Yeshua ben Yusuf...

Let's look at Matthew's take:

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

"The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex. 21 : 15, Lev. 20 : 9, Dt. 21 : 18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41

"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

Wow...maybe Jesus wasn't so nice, or maybe it's just Matt. He could be mean sometimes, you know.

John is loved by Christians everywhere, since it's supposed to be the most complete account:

Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of foood and water, and then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14

"God so loved the world, that he gave his His only begotten Son."
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16

People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66

Eek! Well I guess the Bible may not be the best guide to life after all...

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  -DU Christians: Why do you make so many excuses for your faith? Taverner  Jun-23-11 09:44 PM   #0 
  - I agree! n/t  RKP5637   Jun-23-11 09:48 PM   #1 
  - If you could point out where in the  LARED   Jun-23-11 09:49 PM   #2 
  - Hmmmm where to start, where to start....  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:03 PM   #9 
  - Well, that quite the long list  LARED   Jun-23-11 10:21 PM   #20 
     - Skeptics Annotated Bible - You ARE correct sir!  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:27 PM   #22 
     - Ah, you seem to prefer one of the homogenized versions of the bible  customerserviceguy   Jun-23-11 10:43 PM   #32 
        - I've always viewed it as mind control. Looking back, my church experiences as  RKP5637   Jun-23-11 10:56 PM   #34 
  - Was Paul from the NT?  WhiteTara   Jun-23-11 10:53 PM   #33 
     - Told them to wear veils in church and not speak  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:38 PM   #50 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-23-11 09:53 PM   # 
  - Why do Christian haters  pipoman   Jun-23-11 09:53 PM   #3 
  - Well you know they do that just  LARED   Jun-23-11 09:56 PM   #4 
  - forget it, not wasting my time -- self delete  Ninjaneer   Jun-23-11 10:03 PM   #8 
  - Sigh - unfortunately, the Christians have behaved exactly as expected  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:19 PM   #19 
  - Somehow I ask a simple question, and I'm a hater...  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:12 PM   #11 
  - And see this is where we both agree and disagree  pipoman   Jun-23-11 10:34 PM   #24 
  - Richard Dawins Foundation  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:08 PM   #38 
     - Yet  pipoman   Jun-23-11 11:24 PM   #42 
        - No, because like I said in my OP, there are Christians who are trying bring about the end times  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:34 PM   #47 
           - Hillary Clinton is not a member of The Family.  okasha   Jun-23-11 11:44 PM   #57 
           - The National Prayer Breakfast  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:48 PM   #59 
              - It's only recently that The Family has been exposed for what it is.  okasha   Jun-24-11 12:24 AM   #70 
           - Look  pipoman   Jun-23-11 11:45 PM   #58 
           - Good. Thank you - and I mean that  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:49 PM   #60 
           - Oh, so if those zany Christians...  Duke Newcombe   Jun-24-11 12:45 AM   #75 
  - You aren't a hater, but you're a bit of a rabble rouser and a generalizer  MADem   Jun-24-11 01:15 AM   #80 
  - All for the low-low price of just one constant brow-beating.  darkstar3   Jun-23-11 10:36 PM   #25 
     - Really?  pipoman   Jun-23-11 10:57 PM   #35 
     - Where the fuck do you live?  darkstar3   Jun-23-11 11:23 PM   #41 
     - This happens very often for clergy and the clergy's families  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:35 PM   #48 
        - Complete idiocy  pipoman   Jun-23-11 11:57 PM   #64 
           - Fine. What I saw must not have happened  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:58 PM   #65 
           - And CLEARLY your experience is the only one that matters.  darkstar3   Jun-24-11 12:06 AM   #66 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-11 12:12 AM   #68 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-11 12:18 AM   #69 
     - Most non-fundy churches do not proselytize in their social services  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-24-11 12:33 AM   #72 
  - Not everyone was taught that was what Christianity is about.  RandomThoughts   Jun-23-11 09:56 PM   #5 
  - I don't make excuses for my "faith".  William769   Jun-23-11 09:56 PM   #6 
  - The problem is  DonCoquixote   Jun-23-11 09:59 PM   #7 
  - "If Christianity, Islam, and Judaism were wiped off the planet, new faiths would take their place"  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:04 PM   #10 
     - Which simply speaks to the general weakness of man's psychology.  darkstar3   Jun-23-11 11:41 PM   #53 
     - LOL  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:43 PM   #56 
     - Yup, look at all the New Age goofery woo-shit.  Odin2005   Jun-24-11 12:45 AM   #76 
  - Wow. I'm not a religious person and never visit this forum, but what a rude question.  Lil Missy   Jun-23-11 10:12 PM   #12 
  - So are you saying Christianity hasn't been used as an excuse for murders and genocide?  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:15 PM   #14 
  - Ayn Rand set up her atheistic individualism as an excuse  pnwmom   Jun-23-11 10:36 PM   #26 
  - No - I just ask they stop saying that the Christian Church is blameless  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:08 PM   #37 
  - That doesn't work with me. I said your question in the title of the OP is rude.  Lil Missy   Jun-23-11 11:14 PM   #40 
     - When people die because of it, I make it my business  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:25 PM   #44 
     - It's the R/T board, so what other people believe is the topic of conversation.  darkstar3   Jun-23-11 11:27 PM   #45 
     - I am going to step in here now  Angry Dragon   Jun-24-11 12:47 AM   #77 
  - Not just rude - pure mean.  emilyg   Jun-23-11 10:18 PM   #17 
     - Ahhh. Were your widdle feeling hurt?  Zoeisright   Jun-23-11 11:12 PM   #39 
        - Baby talk - ??? wtf  emilyg   Jun-24-11 01:03 AM   #78 
  - It is too late in the day to answer your questions, but....  northoftheborder   Jun-23-11 10:14 PM   #13 
  - I do not - in fact I went out of my way to separate the Mainline Protestants/Catholics  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:16 PM   #15 
     - "But people see me attacking their faith, and they see red..."  laconicsax   Jun-23-11 10:22 PM   #21 
     - I expect reason, and when I don't see it I get frustrated with their cognitive dissonance  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:38 PM   #29 
     - Your subject line says: "DU Christians." That includes the mainline denominations  pnwmom   Jun-23-11 10:38 PM   #28 
     - I am asking YOU (all Christians) why you make excuses for your WORST (lots of dudes)  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:40 PM   #30 
        - Show me one place where I've ever made an excuse for a fundamentalist.  pnwmom   Jun-24-11 12:12 AM   #67 
           - Me either  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-24-11 12:34 AM   #73 
              - Exactly. They have a very narrow definition of Christianity  pnwmom   Jun-24-11 01:09 AM   #79 
     - And there are many  pipoman   Jun-23-11 10:42 PM   #31 
        - Not really.  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:07 PM   #36 
           - Not really?  pipoman   Jun-23-11 11:36 PM   #49 
              - let me know when you find one. I lived around millions of them in evangelical central for years.  darkstar3   Jun-23-11 11:40 PM   #51 
              - It's like this poster never met an Evangelical or Pentecostal before  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:54 PM   #62 
              - I dunno, are there any Nazis who are good, giving, charitable people?  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:40 PM   #52 
  - Unrec.  emilyg   Jun-23-11 10:16 PM   #16 
  - Good. But when you hit "unrec" thank skepticism for giving you that option  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:18 PM   #18 
  - blah  whirlygigspin   Jun-23-11 10:28 PM   #23 
     - You say blah, yet you complain about people's attempt to prevent gay marriage  Taverner   Jun-23-11 10:38 PM   #27 
  - Actually, when you hit unrec  napoleon_in_rags   Jun-23-11 11:24 PM   #43 
     - Actually every time you hit unrec, Enver Hoxa loses his wings  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:41 PM   #54 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-11 11:32 PM   #46 
  - When faith leads them to vote, act and behave in a way that hurts others, yes, I hate faith  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:43 PM   #55 
  - Your superiority casts you in the role that you claim to abhor . . .  patrice   Jun-23-11 11:53 PM   #61 
  - So you think Christianity has nothing to apologize for?  Taverner   Jun-23-11 11:55 PM   #63 
  - Great post! The Calvinists are sick, scary mofos.  Odin2005   Jun-24-11 12:29 AM   #71 
  - I've never denied the existence of the Inquisition, etc.  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-24-11 12:37 AM   #74 
  - Locking  Rhiannon12866   Jun-24-11 04:19 AM   #81 

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