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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:48 AM
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201. YES, they do, and it's relevant because you have stated that religion is not encroaching on the
rights of women and minorities. These legal restrictions are in place as a direct result of religious lobbying, and they are absolutely infrigements on the human rights of women and gays.

Forty-eight states (or 96%) have at least one of several legal restrictions on abortion. The other 2 states (New Hampshire and Oklahoma) have both tried to pass one or more of these restrictions, but their state courts have stopped them and saw the laws violate the state constitution. These restrictions are:

- parental notice
- parental consent
- mandatory waiting periods
- mandatory "counseling"
- restrictions on state funding for abortions, for those with state-funded healthcare
- "informed consent", which means you have to listen to them recite a state-mandated spiel, some of which may not even be medically accurate. Here in Missouri, they were required to tell me that the fetus could feel pain...I was at 5 weeks so technically it wasn't even a fetus yet...I'll spare everyone the long-winded clinical explanation of just how WRONG the idea that a 5-week embryo can feel pain is...go look at BabyCenter.com if you're interested.

They even attempted SPOUSAL consent back in the 1990's, but the Supreme Court shot that down in Casey v. Planned Parenthood.


Marriage restrictions...41 states currently have outright prohibitions, either through law or through constitutional amendment, against gay marriage. Only five states currently allow marriage between two consenting adults without discrimination on the basis of gender. (The other 4 are in a murky middle of recognizing some gay marriages while not currently permitting any to be done in their own state.)

Oh, and before Loving v. Virginia in the 50's, there were marriage restrictions against interracial marriage too, which were ALSO heavily dependent on religious reasoning. The Virginia judge that initially ruled against the Lovings, which meant they had to bring their case to the Supremes, wrote the following in his ruling:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races show that he did not intend for the races to mix."




Stop minimizing the lived experiences of others who have encountered the world with less privilege than you possess. I do not expect to have seen as much racism out in the world as my friends of color have seen. Why do you insist that if you cannot see it, it is not there? Particularly for easily summoned facts like state-based abortion restrictions, and culturally *screamingly* obvious facts like the prevalence of gay marriage?
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