| -Book critiquing atheism wins Archbishop's prize |
rug |
May-30-11 09:22 AM |
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There's an interesting review of this book on Amazon. |
Jim__ |
May-30-11 09:41 AM |
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Interesting review. Thanks for the link. |
rug |
May-30-11 10:05 AM |
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So the book says nothing new, from what I can tell. |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 10:43 AM |
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I'm sure you've read it. |
rug |
May-30-11 10:47 AM |
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The various reviews were quite enough. |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 10:52 AM |
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I can't read them all! |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 01:44 PM |
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Bear shits in woods. Film at 11. |
Silent3 |
May-30-11 11:08 AM |
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Better title: Book critiquing not-believing-what-we-do wins archbishops prize. |
cleanhippie |
May-30-11 11:38 AM |
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When someone calls out a group that thrives on the constant "derision of people" |
humblebum |
May-30-11 01:38 PM |
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Staying classy, I see. n/t |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 01:39 PM |
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When someone calls out a group that thrives on the constant "derision of people" |
sudopod |
May-30-11 01:43 PM |
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It is shame that you miss the point................ |
Angry Dragon |
May-30-11 02:02 PM |
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He's a pretty big point misser. n/t |
Goblinmonger |
May-30-11 03:07 PM |
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My point is perfectly clear. RADICAL atheism needs to be challenged |
humblebum |
May-30-11 05:07 PM |
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Bwahahahahahahahaha! |
cleanhippie |
May-30-11 05:36 PM |
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Looks like you could use some reinforcements. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 08:54 PM |
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I have not seen radical atheism |
Angry Dragon |
May-30-11 05:36 PM |
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What is RADICAL atheism? |
LeftishBrit |
May-30-11 05:47 PM |
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I don't think radical atheism needs much explanation. It is |
humblebum |
May-30-11 06:39 PM |
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You still can't grasp the difference between |
skepticscott |
May-30-11 09:40 PM |
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so, this group is full of anti-theists? |
kwassa |
May-30-11 10:45 PM |
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I am not anti-theist; I am pro-secularist |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 03:25 AM |
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This group has a lot of posters |
skepticscott |
May-31-11 08:36 AM |
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Not at all. What does dismay, but not surprise, is the vitriol |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:10 PM |
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Could you give some examples of that? |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 09:36 PM |
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Invisible sky people. |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:44 PM |
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No, derisive as can be would be FAR worse. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 10:33 PM |
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It is not an honest expression of opinion. It is words chosen to inflame. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:12 PM |
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Would you prefer "Secret Santa in the sky"? |
darkstar3 |
Jun-02-11 11:59 PM |
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Wow, that's as derisive as you can imagine? You must be incredibly thin-skinned. |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 11:12 PM |
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It isn't flippant, it is insulting. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:15 PM |
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Yet you call bullying, hazing, loss of business, death threats, etc. "trivial." |
laconicsax |
Jun-02-11 09:53 PM |
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Bullying happens every day, for many reasons. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 10:03 PM |
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Of course you aren't convinced. You dismiss reality in favor of your nice comfortable fantasy. |
laconicsax |
Jun-02-11 10:20 PM |
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Excuse me. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 10:28 PM |
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You are a white, straight, Christian male in the US. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-03-11 12:01 AM |
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Shows nothing, actually. |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:35 PM |
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You seem to view yourself as entitled to details of my personal life. Quelle arrogance. |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 12:29 AM |
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Whatever. You make a statement, you won't substantiate it. |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:33 PM |
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Uh huh. I must have made it all up. |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 10:59 PM |
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THAT'S as derisive as can be? |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-02-11 02:43 AM |
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I am talking about derisiveness on DU, not the world at large. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:10 PM |
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'So what?' Who has more influence on politics and public life? The leaders of Christian Right groups |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-03-11 02:54 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-03-11 11:06 PM |
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That's rather much of a default reply, isn't it. Yes, I know the difference. |
humblebum |
May-30-11 10:59 PM |
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Clearly you do not. |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 11:03 PM |
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Another empty retort. NT |
humblebum |
May-31-11 06:46 AM |
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Your attempt to characterize any form of atheism |
skepticscott |
May-31-11 08:31 AM |
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I clearly distinguish between simple atheism and radical atheism.nt |
humblebum |
May-31-11 09:01 AM |
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We LOVE the theist. We hate the religion. I also hate injustice. |
immoderate |
May-31-11 04:30 PM |
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In other words, it's OK to be an atheist so long as you don't discuss it or actively promote it? |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 03:07 AM |
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It is OK to be anything you want to be, but |
humblebum |
May-31-11 01:33 PM |
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What line? |
darkstar3 |
May-31-11 01:41 PM |
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That one. nt |
humblebum |
May-31-11 03:44 PM |
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Which one? The imaginary one in your head? |
darkstar3 |
May-31-11 03:56 PM |
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No. The one you keep tripping over. nt |
humblebum |
May-31-11 11:40 PM |
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If you can't define it, best leave it alone. |
darkstar3 |
May-31-11 11:47 PM |
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It's hard to see it with you laying face down on top of it.nt |
humblebum |
Jun-01-11 03:37 AM |
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Your creativity is lacking, and you do nothing to express your point here. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 08:27 AM |
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it's amazing how you continue to speak so clearly with your face to the floor. nt |
humblebum |
Jun-01-11 02:59 PM |
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As I suspected. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 04:03 PM |
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I like how you used the "for now" thing. Usually it's good bye foreve and then |
humblebum |
Jun-01-11 04:47 PM |
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Ridicule has been deemed as acceptable and encouraged by Stephen Colbert |
muriel_volestrangler |
May-31-11 05:00 PM |
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Huge difference between comical sarcastic criticism and ridicule, IMO. nt |
humblebum |
May-31-11 11:47 PM |
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I don't know about that. I think one person's comical sarcastic criticism is often another person's |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-04-11 10:54 AM |
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Have Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert ridiculed all religious belief? |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:13 PM |
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Google "This Week in God." |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 10:34 PM |
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Don't need to, I've watched it for years. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 10:07 PM |
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Are you saying some religious belief should get a special exemption from normal criticism? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-02-11 10:48 AM |
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I agree. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 10:06 PM |
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I think what you're complaining about is "trivial." |
darkstar3 |
Jun-04-11 10:16 PM |
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I have no doubt that you do. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 11:12 PM |
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LOL. U MAD? |
darkstar3 |
Jun-04-11 11:28 PM |
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I would call it dogmatic atheism. |
kwassa |
May-30-11 10:49 PM |
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And the dogma would be? |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 11:02 PM |
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That God doesn't exist, that believers are deluded individuals who |
kwassa |
May-30-11 11:11 PM |
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So the expression of an opinion is now a dogma? |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 11:30 PM |
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You are creating a strawman, of course |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:16 PM |
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Poorly dodged. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 10:32 PM |
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No, you attempted a pointless diversion. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:29 PM |
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You were the one who chose his words poorly. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-02-11 11:50 PM |
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Educated? |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:38 PM |
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We offer theists every opportunity |
skepticscott |
May-31-11 05:24 PM |
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You miss the point |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:18 PM |
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There are those who believe that ANYTHING is a cause to be evangelized |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 03:30 AM |
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Maybe you can give us some examples. |
Deep13 |
Jun-01-11 12:55 PM |
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Atheists do not thrive on 'constant derision' of believers. They just don't believe. |
LeftishBrit |
May-30-11 02:34 PM |
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Some atheists definitely do thrive on the derision of believers. |
kwassa |
May-30-11 10:52 PM |
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Are you feeling derided? Perhaps you should stop swatting others on the nose... |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 11:10 PM |
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Are you giving advice? |
kwassa |
May-30-11 11:14 PM |
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I'm not worried about my house. |
darkstar3 |
May-30-11 11:40 PM |
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"persecution, derision, hateful oppression" |
rug |
May-31-11 06:52 AM |
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Not suprised to see you chime in, enjoying your majority status. |
trotsky |
May-31-11 07:16 AM |
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I guess my only choice then would be to burn all my money. |
rug |
May-31-11 07:22 AM |
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Fuck the minority! Hell yeah! |
trotsky |
May-31-11 07:36 AM |
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No. But... |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 07:48 AM |
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No, I would not. |
rug |
May-31-11 10:15 AM |
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That depends on whether they in fact suffer discrimination as a result of their beliefs... |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 03:15 PM |
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Their beliefs or their conclusions? |
rug |
May-31-11 07:50 PM |
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OK, lack of belief... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-01-11 03:16 AM |
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Religious discrimination that is applied to atheists? |
rug |
Jun-01-11 07:29 AM |
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Discrimination by a religious majority because of failure |
skepticscott |
Jun-01-11 08:10 AM |
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Fine. Atheists are victims of religious discrimination. |
rug |
Jun-01-11 01:08 PM |
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The hard part seems to be admitting which group is the persecutor. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 01:17 PM |
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But is the persecution religious persecution? |
rug |
Jun-01-11 01:45 PM |
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One religious majority persecutes people who are not members of that religious majority. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 01:51 PM |
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The motive for the persecution is religious, so yes |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-01-11 04:38 PM |
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OK., and in all cases it's a bad thing. |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-01-11 04:44 PM |
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Do you not agree ... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-01-11 08:29 AM |
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Trade unionists, socialists, nationalists and groups of all stripes habe been persecuted. |
rug |
Jun-01-11 01:07 PM |
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The ostracism is highly exaggerated. |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:30 PM |
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Spoken like a true member of the majority. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 09:41 PM |
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and what persecution have you suffered? |
kwassa |
Jun-01-11 09:45 PM |
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I'm glad you asked. |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 11:21 PM |
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Absolute bullshit. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-01-11 10:08 PM |
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Speaking as an American, the vast majority of the country cares very little about religion. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 10:05 AM |
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Pull the wool over your own eyes if you want, but don't bullshit the rest of us. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-02-11 10:27 AM |
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They aren't enroaching on the rights. They can't. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:26 PM |
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You know that isn't true. |
laconicsax |
Jun-02-11 10:11 PM |
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I don't believe that statistic for one second. |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:48 PM |
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Even if that's the correct statistic, you're still wrong. |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 11:08 PM |
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40% is a minority. I am not wrong. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 10:04 PM |
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Which brings me back to my original point. |
laconicsax |
Jun-05-11 04:40 PM |
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Abortion restrictions and marriage restrictions exist in the majority of the US. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-02-11 11:52 PM |
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Oh, come on darkstar3, those don't affect straight men, so they don't *really* exist. |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 12:30 AM |
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1) No, they don't. 2) What is the relevance to this topic? |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:50 PM |
#179 |
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That it's lost on you is sadly predictable. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 11:09 PM |
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That some can't substantiate their claims is also predictable. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 10:09 PM |
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YES, they do, and it's relevant because you have stated that religion is not encroaching on the |
iris27 |
Jun-04-11 11:48 PM |
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+1000 |
laconicsax |
Jun-04-11 11:51 PM |
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Do you know the difference between religion and culture? |
kwassa |
Jun-07-11 10:18 PM |
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Yes, receiving death threats is "pretty trivial stuff." |
laconicsax |
Jun-02-11 12:55 PM |
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I think most of what darkstar talked about was pretty trivial stuff. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:28 PM |
#150 |
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In the a blue state, from a stranger who engaged me in conversation. |
laconicsax |
Jun-02-11 10:48 PM |
#159 |
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Thank you for the details. |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 10:42 PM |
#177 |
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Feel free to ignore it if it's inconvenient to your fantasy. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 11:11 PM |
#185 |
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Have you lived, as an atheist, in these major metropolitan areas of which you speak? |
iris27 |
Jun-01-11 11:16 PM |
#132 |
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I've lived all over the country. |
kwassa |
Jun-02-11 09:24 PM |
#148 |
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Sitting quietly in the back of the bus and not making a fuss was in the power of black people, too. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-02-11 11:54 PM |
#164 |
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what a non-sequitur. |
kwassa |
Jun-03-11 11:08 PM |
#183 |
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Your deafness is really precious. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jun-03-11 11:12 PM |
#186 |
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Go back to eating billy goats. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-04-11 12:21 AM |
#187 |
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Do you have a response that involves actual content? Apparently not. |
kwassa |
Jun-04-11 09:53 PM |
#192 |
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Non-content for non-content. |
darkstar3 |
Jun-04-11 10:21 PM |
#198 |
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I realize now that I probably misunderstood your earlier post... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-04-11 10:51 AM |
#188 |
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The Queen as the Head of the Church of England is still |
Leontius |
Jun-04-11 11:27 AM |
#190 |
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Yes- but the term is an anachronism because it was devised to refer to defending Catholicism, not |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-04-11 11:36 AM |
#191 |
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Religious people of the right wing have no monopoly |
okasha |
May-31-11 10:35 AM |
#63 |
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II wasn't; I was drawing parallels between a variety of situations where a powerful majority act as |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 12:16 PM |
#64 |
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What? Oh, I see, you think I meant those words in regard to the money. |
darkstar3 |
May-31-11 09:43 AM |
#61 |
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See my first paragraph, as to possible reasons why some atheists deride believers |
LeftishBrit |
May-31-11 07:39 AM |
#54 |
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Again, color me not surprised. |
cleanhippie |
May-30-11 03:03 PM |
#19 |
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No. It's the beliefs I criticize and sometimes deride. |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 08:40 AM |
#59 |
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" subverting the cruelest aspects of pagan society " |
sudopod |
May-30-11 01:34 PM |
#8 |
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At the point of a spear, no less. n/t |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 01:39 PM |
#11 |
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At least the vikings were honest when they killed you and took your stuff. |
sudopod |
May-30-11 01:41 PM |
#13 |
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"bringing liberation from fatalism, conferring great dignity on human beings," LOL WUT? |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 01:37 PM |
#9 |
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IOW, the usual revisionism and propaganda |
onager |
May-30-11 02:04 PM |
#16 |
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... This particular astrolabe, dated 1326, resembles the instrument described in Geoffrey Chaucer's |
struggle4progress |
May-31-11 12:23 AM |
#42 |
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OK, you win - only ALMOST a thousand years... |
onager |
May-31-11 12:50 AM |
#43 |
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We've established that you make careless statements, indifferent to the actual history |
struggle4progress |
May-31-11 01:19 AM |
#44 |
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Is that a royal "we," Your Google Majesty? |
onager |
Jun-01-11 08:34 PM |
#113 |
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Heretic! The Emperor's codpiece is adorned with delicate gold leaves. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 09:37 PM |
#122 |
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I would not claim that religious people, even ecclesiastical people... |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 01:50 PM |
#69 |
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"Serious scientific inquiry" has always been "the exception rather than the rule" |
struggle4progress |
May-31-11 03:16 PM |
#73 |
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I actually had Bacon in mind. |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 06:33 PM |
#79 |
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You can ask youself what the Romans left to Europe: they had some engineering savvy |
struggle4progress |
May-31-11 11:36 PM |
#86 |
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Perhaps you can explain why no such setbacks |
okasha |
Jun-02-11 10:13 PM |
#155 |
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Actually they did but to a lesser extent ,scientific inquiry was not |
Leontius |
Jun-02-11 11:04 PM |
#160 |
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Yet the East managed to preserve |
okasha |
Jun-02-11 11:39 PM |
#161 |
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"Now what could have possibly restrained scientific inquiry for a thousand years? " |
rug |
May-31-11 07:00 AM |
#50 |
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"Unless you look outside Europe." |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 02:43 PM |
#70 |
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Well, that convinced me. |
rug |
May-31-11 07:38 PM |
#80 |
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Well, thats certainly one way to say it. |
cleanhippie |
Jun-01-11 01:11 AM |
#91 |
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Please cite your sources for cannibalism by Native Americans |
okasha |
Jun-02-11 10:19 PM |
#156 |
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The fall of Rome had nothing to do with Christianity, Edward Gibbons was an idiot for thinking so. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-03-11 12:28 AM |
#168 |
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The little ice age? |
laconicsax |
May-31-11 03:04 PM |
#71 |
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Oh it must have been the rosaries. |
rug |
May-31-11 07:47 PM |
#82 |
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I'm an Atheist. but I'm sick of these stereptypes about the Middle Ages. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-03-11 12:23 AM |
#167 |
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Here's a series of lectures by David Bentley Hart |
struggle4progress |
May-30-11 02:41 PM |
#18 |
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Thanks for the links. |
rug |
May-30-11 06:59 PM |
#27 |
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Pavlov's dog, same gang, same bell. |
Leontius |
May-30-11 04:23 PM |
#21 |
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Out here in the boonies, that free chapter looked good. |
dimbear |
May-30-11 08:20 PM |
#28 |
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While he was busy taking no prisoners, ... |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 08:38 AM |
#58 |
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You could ask him. |
rug |
May-31-11 07:41 PM |
#81 |
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I think you can probably gather his view from the videos I posted in #18 |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-11 12:46 AM |
#90 |
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Book critiquing coffee wins tea grower's prize. nt |
Deep13 |
May-31-11 01:43 PM |
#67 |
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Book critiquing religion posted eight times in R/T. |
rug |
May-31-11 07:49 PM |
#83 |
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Link? |
cleanhippie |
Jun-01-11 01:13 AM |
#92 |
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And? nt |
Deep13 |
Jun-01-11 12:35 PM |
#99 |
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The sad thing is ignorance of history or at best a cartoon |
Leontius |
May-31-11 08:08 PM |
#85 |
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And Bill Maher won the AAI's "Richard Dawkins Award". So? |
iris27 |
Jun-01-11 02:20 PM |
#106 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-01-11 04:05 PM |
#109 |
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You can get a taste of the argument from the bit about the Library of Alexandria. |
dimbear |
Jun-01-11 09:02 PM |
#114 |
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That was a neat trick in 48 BC. |
rug |
Jun-01-11 09:37 PM |
#121 |
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The library was partially destroyed several times. I refer to the |
dimbear |
Jun-01-11 09:52 PM |
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The Mysterious Fate of the Great Library of Alexandria |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-11 01:11 AM |
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The reign of Theodosius should be of critical interest to any believer. |
dimbear |
Jun-02-11 02:16 AM |
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Interestingly enough, both points have the same (apparent) exception ... |
Nihil |
Jun-02-11 09:50 AM |
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Of course, whenever religions become associated with state authority, political issues |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-11 01:26 PM |
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That bit about the pretense of tithing to the old gods is a key. |
dimbear |
Jun-02-11 07:42 PM |
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The library was actually burned 4 times over 700 years. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-03-11 12:32 AM |
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The point is that you're only probably right. But you're probably right. |
dimbear |
Jun-03-11 01:51 AM |
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Well, it sounds like a book that an Archbishop would like... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-02-11 02:50 PM |
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