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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 06:05 PM
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107. Uh huh. Ok. Sure.
You're still ignoring the fact that the crowd's intentions don't change the morality of the response.

Since you seem hung up on the mob's intent, I think I'll pick up where muriel_volestrangler left off in showing that your preferred interpretation is bunk.

Here are some more versions of the Bible that explicitly state that the mob's intention was to bugger the angels:

Genesis 19:5

The Amplified Bible: And they called to Lot and said, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know (be intimate with) them.

New Living Translation: They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”

Holman Christian Standard Bible: They called out to Lot and said, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Send them out to us so we can have sex with them!

Here's a version (The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language) using a dynamic equivalence translation from the original text:

Genesis 19:4-5

Before they went to bed men from all over the city of Sodom, young and old, descended on the house from all sides and boxed them in. They yelled to Lot, "Where are the men who are staying with you for the night? Bring them out so we can have our sport with them!"

And here's what a group of rabbis, historians, and Biblical scholars concluded the passage meant:

Genesis 19:5 (New JPS translation)

And they shouted to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out so that we may be intimate with them."

So the consensus seems to be that the mob wasn't interested in making introductions. This brings us back to the original question:
A mob is at your door, demanding you give them a house-guest to gang rape. Assume there are no police available. Do you...
(A) Give them what they want.
(B) Offer your daughter(s) in exchange.
(C) Offer yourself in exchange.
(D) Politely tell them to fuck off.

Are you going to start over and insist that this "interpretation" is homophobic because homophobes agree with it in exactly the same way that belief in God is homophobic because homophobes believe in god?
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