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Response to Reply #35
37. Heliocentrism wasn't developed in order to accurately predict Easter.
Heliocentrism was discovered because it was the only thing that would explain the movement of extraterrestrial bodies, observed by Galileo and other stargazers. Heliocentrism was actually quashed by the Church as a heresy for quite some time. How can religion possibly take credit for a scientific advancement that the institutional Church stood against?
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  -Once again: does religion produce knowledge? cleanhippie  May-07-11 01:43 PM   #0 
  - Faith is the evidence of things unseen.  MineralMan   May-07-11 01:49 PM   #1 
  - I believe  Angry Dragon   May-07-11 01:51 PM   #2 
  - Justification from faith alone or some such.  Exultant Democracy   May-07-11 01:53 PM   #3 
  - Depends upon the differences in people's definition of "know". Some have a very  patrice   May-07-11 01:59 PM   #4 
  - What about your faith?  William769   May-07-11 02:55 PM   #5 
  - What faith would that be?  Ninjaneer   May-07-11 02:58 PM   #6 
  - What part of this do you not understand?  William769   May-07-11 03:03 PM   #8 
     - The faith being referenced in the OP  Ninjaneer   May-07-11 03:18 PM   #9 
     - Once again what part do you not understand?  William769   May-07-11 03:25 PM   #10 
        - We were not playing, sir, as that would imply you knew the rules of the game.  Ninjaneer   May-07-11 03:42 PM   #12 
        - Wow.  William769   May-07-11 03:46 PM   #13 
           - Wow indeed. eom  Ninjaneer   May-07-11 03:48 PM   #15 
           - Of course it's eom for you.  William769   May-07-11 03:56 PM   #20 
              - All stupid needs to succeed is for smart men to stand aside and do nothing  Ninjaneer   May-07-11 03:57 PM   #22 
           - Wow, indeed. I see the point flew right over your head.  cleanhippie   May-07-11 03:55 PM   #18 
        - "BTW, science has not proven empirical or otherwise about a God." - No one has made that claim.  cleanhippie   May-07-11 03:54 PM   #17 
        - Wrong, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I can't disprove the easter bunny  Exultant Democracy   May-07-11 04:16 PM   #26 
     - We are talking about religious faith here, friend.  cleanhippie   May-07-11 03:50 PM   #16 
  - Mine is entirely a faith based on experience.  Deep13   May-09-11 12:46 PM   #84 
  - In a society it certainly does  Recursion   May-07-11 03:01 PM   #7 
  - "Religion is responsible for a lot of technological and scientific advances." - Really? Such as?  cleanhippie   May-07-11 03:56 PM   #19 
  - See my post below. And watch "Connections" by James Burke  Recursion   May-07-11 08:41 PM   #34 
     - So it was a human NEED that created things, NOT religion.  cleanhippie   May-08-11 10:42 AM   #51 
        - No serious modern scholar still calls it "the dark ages"  Recursion   May-08-11 04:30 PM   #59 
           - Heroin and other opiates address a human need as well.  darkstar3   May-08-11 04:59 PM   #68 
           - Perhaps, but humans are realizing, exponentially, that there are other, BETTER ways,  cleanhippie   May-08-11 06:40 PM   #78 
  - Religion is reponsible for scientific advances?  darkstar3   May-07-11 04:06 PM   #23 
  - Clocks. Astronomy. Windmills. Optics  Recursion   May-07-11 08:41 PM   #33 
     - They were developed to solve "religious problems"? Elaborate please.  darkstar3   May-07-11 08:48 PM   #36 
        - James Burke does a better job than I would  Recursion   May-07-11 08:59 PM   #39 
           - It's not surprising at all, actually, when you think about it.  darkstar3   May-07-11 09:05 PM   #43 
           - No, but if somebody asked me "does space exploration produce knowledge"  Recursion   May-08-11 04:35 PM   #63 
              - But, of course, the whole idea of Dark Age innovation is a red herring.  darkstar3   May-08-11 04:56 PM   #67 
                 - OK, look at the Copenhagen interpretation  Recursion   May-08-11 05:41 PM   #74 
                    - How does the Copenhagen interpretation owe its existence to religion?  darkstar3   May-08-11 05:48 PM   #75 
           - Burke's "The day the Universe changed" is the most  Leontius   May-13-11 08:45 PM   #106 
  - The most notable example would probably be the mathematics of Ramanujan.  dimbear   May-07-11 08:18 PM   #32 
  - I was thinking of scientific advances made to solve religious problems  Recursion   May-07-11 08:43 PM   #35 
     - Heliocentrism wasn't developed in order to accurately predict Easter.  darkstar3   May-07-11 08:51 PM   #37 
     - You're thinking a few centuries too late  Recursion   May-07-11 08:55 PM   #38 
        - Then explain why the Church treated Heliocentrism as a heresy.  darkstar3   May-07-11 08:59 PM   #40 
           - They didn't. They treated Galilean relativity as heresy  Recursion   May-07-11 09:01 PM   #41 
              - Here's an offshoot of NASA's site dedicated to childhood learning.  darkstar3   May-07-11 09:11 PM   #44 
                 - And like many polemics it romanticizes and oversimplifies things.  Recursion   May-08-11 04:34 PM   #61 
                    - Yeah, I'm gonna need a source on that one.  darkstar3   May-08-11 04:54 PM   #66 
                       - First, forget any Brecht you've read  Recursion   May-08-11 05:26 PM   #70 
                          - Haven't read any Brecht.  darkstar3   May-08-11 05:33 PM   #71 
                             - He proposed the first theory of relativity  Recursion   May-08-11 05:39 PM   #72 
                                - I'll read the auto-de-fe, if you'll post a link to it.  darkstar3   May-08-11 05:51 PM   #76 
     - The science that owes the most to religion is archaeology without any doubt.  dimbear   May-07-11 10:31 PM   #46 
     - Astronomy and math in general  Recursion   May-07-11 11:18 PM   #48 
        - So tell us please  skepticscott   May-08-11 12:26 PM   #54 
        - Seriously?  Recursion   May-08-11 04:24 PM   #58 
           - Then you should have no trouble  skepticscott   May-08-11 04:34 PM   #62 
              - Pythagorus's entire career  Recursion   May-08-11 04:37 PM   #64 
                 - If that's your contention, then your point is a trivial  skepticscott   May-08-11 05:41 PM   #73 
                 - Again with the philosophy  Recursion   May-08-11 06:03 PM   #77 
                 - Good link on Pythagoras and his school.  dimbear   May-08-11 07:32 PM   #79 
        - Then why did they barbecue Giordano Bruno??  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-11 03:06 PM   #96 
     - So only the Xians had clocks?  onager   May-13-11 03:16 PM   #98 
  - No, those advances happen despite religion, not because of it. nt  Deep13   May-09-11 12:47 PM   #85 
  - Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result  struggle4progress   May-07-11 03:25 PM   #11 
  - Had you bothered to pay attention, you would realize those are not my words.  cleanhippie   May-07-11 03:57 PM   #21 
  - .  darkstar3   May-07-11 04:08 PM   #24 
     - Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result  struggle4progress   May-07-11 04:11 PM   #25 
        - Just stringing words together according to grammatical rules (not laws, btw)  darkstar3   May-07-11 04:20 PM   #28 
           - rolf  Exultant Democracy   May-07-11 04:29 PM   #29 
  - No, it doesn't. But religious people frequently do...  Rabblevox   May-07-11 03:46 PM   #14 
  - So just because a minority of people who happen to be religious have done some great things.  LAGC   May-07-11 04:47 PM   #31 
  - Sure. Helps me learn about rank hypocrisy, ignorance, and small mindedness  Evoman   May-07-11 04:19 PM   #27 
  - depends on if you mean  DonCoquixote   May-07-11 04:41 PM   #30 
  - Say. you're doing pretty good there, hippie.  humblebum   May-07-11 09:03 PM   #42 
  - You consider any comment that doesn't glowingly reinforce your faith to be anti-religious  darkstar3   May-07-11 09:17 PM   #45 
  - There is a name for people who spend that much time criticizing  humblebum   May-08-11 03:53 AM   #49 
     - Americans?  darkstar3   May-08-11 04:04 AM   #50 
     - There are called  edhopper   May-08-11 10:52 AM   #52 
     - Says the guy with Stalin Tourette's.  trotsky   May-08-11 12:14 PM   #53 
        - You forgot to mention his good buddy (not) trotsky,  humblebum   May-08-11 10:46 PM   #82 
           - I once heard someone say...  trotsky   May-09-11 05:56 AM   #83 
  - Jesus told me that you are here to counter hippie and show the light  snooper2   May-13-11 02:38 PM   #91 
  - Things we'd like to be true and producing knowledge  Meshuga   May-07-11 10:38 PM   #47 
  - The Hindu Invention of Zero.....Zero was initially used as a Philosophical tool  Vehl   May-08-11 03:42 PM   #55 
  - I thought it was the Arabs who invented zero.  darkstar3   May-08-11 03:55 PM   #56 
  - nah, they just took it frm the Indians and passed it to the Europeans..who thought Arabs invented it  Vehl   May-08-11 04:01 PM   #57 
  - I don't really trust wikipedia, but I wouldn't be surprised if my information from class was wrong.  darkstar3   May-08-11 04:31 PM   #60 
     - I was too lazy to google for other sites, but here are a few  Vehl   May-08-11 04:50 PM   #65 
  - Arabs call their number system "Indian numerals" (nt)  Recursion   May-08-11 05:19 PM   #69 
  - I remarked once  ChadwickHenryWard   May-13-11 06:57 PM   #104 
  - Lots of confusion on this thread.  trotsky   May-08-11 08:02 PM   #80 
  - Damn good point there.  darkstar3   May-08-11 08:10 PM   #81 
  - Does atheism produce knowledge? nt  humblebum   May-13-11 04:07 AM   #86 
  - Does non-stamp collecting produce...anything?  darkstar3   May-13-11 08:33 AM   #87 
  - YES!  AlecBGreen   May-13-11 08:36 AM   #88 
  - Don't feed it. n/t  laconicsax   May-13-11 10:24 AM   #90 
  - Well with all the time I save not praying to Santa Clause and Unicorns  Ninjaneer   May-13-11 09:29 AM   #89 
  - Does anyone claim it does?  cleanhippie   May-13-11 02:42 PM   #92 
     - You spend enough time hawking it that it must have some  humblebum   May-13-11 02:50 PM   #93 
        - WOW! You admit that you are dishonest and simply just MADE THAT CLAIM UP!!!!!  cleanhippie   May-13-11 02:59 PM   #95 
        - So now that you are admitting that it does produce knowledge,  humblebum   May-13-11 03:35 PM   #100 
           - Wow! The hits just keep coming! More claims that NO ONE HAS MADE!!!!!!  cleanhippie   May-13-11 05:13 PM   #101 
              - You just keep getting more transparent with every post.  humblebum   May-13-11 05:56 PM   #102 
                 - Thats your opinion, but the FACT remains that you are dishonest. Nothing will ever change that.  cleanhippie   May-13-11 06:48 PM   #103 
                    - Dishonest about what? And yes that is my opinion.nt  humblebum   May-14-11 10:18 AM   #108 
                       - "Dishonest about what?" - Bwahahahaha!  cleanhippie   May-14-11 10:28 AM   #109 
                          - What's the matter? Can't answer that question, can you? nt  humblebum   May-14-11 10:33 PM   #112 
                             - Do a search for "humblebum"  darkstar3   May-14-11 10:46 PM   #113 
                             - Always avoidance and vacuous arguments. Nothing but. nt  humblebum   May-14-11 10:50 PM   #114 
                                - Accurate self-promotion can be so hilarious.  darkstar3   May-14-11 10:54 PM   #115 
                                - I figured you'd probably recognize yourself in that statement. nt  humblebum   May-15-11 03:45 AM   #117 
                                - Its good to see that you can describe your posting style.  cleanhippie   May-15-11 10:42 AM   #119 
                             - The question has already been answered. The answer is you are dishonest  cleanhippie   May-15-11 10:40 AM   #118 
                                - And you are STILL failing to answer the question. nt  humblebum   May-15-11 10:53 AM   #120 
                                   - Uh, no, I am REFUSING to play your childish game because you are dishonest.  cleanhippie   May-15-11 11:06 AM   #121 
                                      - A bit off topic, but interestingly enough in Islam, yes.  Ninjaneer   May-15-11 11:28 AM   #122 
                                      - You have yet to specify any incident of dishonesty, so  humblebum   May-15-11 12:53 PM   #123 
                                         - *psst*  laconicsax   May-15-11 03:44 PM   #124 
                                            - And the endless blather continues...  humblebum   May-15-11 07:04 PM   #125 
                                               - Is that why you refuse to support your claim?  laconicsax   May-15-11 07:34 PM   #126 
        - delete  humblebum   May-13-11 03:14 PM   #97 
  - Not when they are actively anti-intellectual and persecuting scientists.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-11 02:56 PM   #94 
     - Is that the end of the story?  humblebum   May-13-11 03:23 PM   #99 
        - I'm not believing anything put up by the name HillaryisaSHEMALE.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-11 07:00 PM   #105 
           - That would be fine except there is plenty of evidence to support  humblebum   May-14-11 10:16 AM   #107 
              - So now you're claiming that Hillary Clinton is transsexual?  laconicsax   May-14-11 11:17 AM   #110 
                 - Where did I ever say that, and where is Hillary Clinton ever mentioned?  humblebum   May-14-11 10:31 PM   #111 
                    - I'm sorry, were you speaking of Sir Edmund in #107  laconicsax   May-14-11 11:58 PM   #116 

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