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Sat May-07-11 03:50 PM
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| 16. We are talking about religious faith here, friend. |
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No need to be obtuse about it.
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| -Once again: does religion produce knowledge? |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 01:43 PM |
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Faith is the evidence of things unseen. |
MineralMan |
May-07-11 01:49 PM |
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I believe |
Angry Dragon |
May-07-11 01:51 PM |
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Justification from faith alone or some such. |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 01:53 PM |
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Depends upon the differences in people's definition of "know". Some have a very |
patrice |
May-07-11 01:59 PM |
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What about your faith? |
William769 |
May-07-11 02:55 PM |
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What faith would that be? |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 02:58 PM |
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What part of this do you not understand? |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:03 PM |
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The faith being referenced in the OP |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:18 PM |
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Once again what part do you not understand? |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:25 PM |
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We were not playing, sir, as that would imply you knew the rules of the game. |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:42 PM |
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Wow. |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:46 PM |
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Wow indeed. eom |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:48 PM |
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Of course it's eom for you. |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:56 PM |
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All stupid needs to succeed is for smart men to stand aside and do nothing |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:57 PM |
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Wow, indeed. I see the point flew right over your head. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:55 PM |
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"BTW, science has not proven empirical or otherwise about a God." - No one has made that claim. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:54 PM |
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Wrong, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I can't disprove the easter bunny |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 04:16 PM |
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We are talking about religious faith here, friend. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:50 PM |
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Mine is entirely a faith based on experience. |
Deep13 |
May-09-11 12:46 PM |
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In a society it certainly does |
Recursion |
May-07-11 03:01 PM |
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"Religion is responsible for a lot of technological and scientific advances." - Really? Such as? |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:56 PM |
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See my post below. And watch "Connections" by James Burke |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:41 PM |
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So it was a human NEED that created things, NOT religion. |
cleanhippie |
May-08-11 10:42 AM |
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No serious modern scholar still calls it "the dark ages" |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:30 PM |
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Heroin and other opiates address a human need as well. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:59 PM |
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Perhaps, but humans are realizing, exponentially, that there are other, BETTER ways, |
cleanhippie |
May-08-11 06:40 PM |
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Religion is reponsible for scientific advances? |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:06 PM |
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Clocks. Astronomy. Windmills. Optics |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:41 PM |
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They were developed to solve "religious problems"? Elaborate please. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:48 PM |
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James Burke does a better job than I would |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:59 PM |
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It's not surprising at all, actually, when you think about it. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:05 PM |
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No, but if somebody asked me "does space exploration produce knowledge" |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:35 PM |
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But, of course, the whole idea of Dark Age innovation is a red herring. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:56 PM |
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OK, look at the Copenhagen interpretation |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:41 PM |
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How does the Copenhagen interpretation owe its existence to religion? |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:48 PM |
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Burke's "The day the Universe changed" is the most |
Leontius |
May-13-11 08:45 PM |
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The most notable example would probably be the mathematics of Ramanujan. |
dimbear |
May-07-11 08:18 PM |
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I was thinking of scientific advances made to solve religious problems |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:43 PM |
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Heliocentrism wasn't developed in order to accurately predict Easter. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:51 PM |
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You're thinking a few centuries too late |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:55 PM |
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Then explain why the Church treated Heliocentrism as a heresy. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:59 PM |
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They didn't. They treated Galilean relativity as heresy |
Recursion |
May-07-11 09:01 PM |
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Here's an offshoot of NASA's site dedicated to childhood learning. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:11 PM |
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And like many polemics it romanticizes and oversimplifies things. |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:34 PM |
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Yeah, I'm gonna need a source on that one. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:54 PM |
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First, forget any Brecht you've read |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:26 PM |
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Haven't read any Brecht. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:33 PM |
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He proposed the first theory of relativity |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:39 PM |
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I'll read the auto-de-fe, if you'll post a link to it. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:51 PM |
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The science that owes the most to religion is archaeology without any doubt. |
dimbear |
May-07-11 10:31 PM |
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Astronomy and math in general |
Recursion |
May-07-11 11:18 PM |
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So tell us please |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 12:26 PM |
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Seriously? |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:24 PM |
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Then you should have no trouble |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 04:34 PM |
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Pythagorus's entire career |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:37 PM |
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If that's your contention, then your point is a trivial |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 05:41 PM |
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Again with the philosophy |
Recursion |
May-08-11 06:03 PM |
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Good link on Pythagoras and his school. |
dimbear |
May-08-11 07:32 PM |
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Then why did they barbecue Giordano Bruno?? |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 03:06 PM |
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So only the Xians had clocks? |
onager |
May-13-11 03:16 PM |
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No, those advances happen despite religion, not because of it. nt |
Deep13 |
May-09-11 12:47 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result |
struggle4progress |
May-07-11 03:25 PM |
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Had you bothered to pay attention, you would realize those are not my words. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:57 PM |
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. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:08 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result |
struggle4progress |
May-07-11 04:11 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical rules (not laws, btw) |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:20 PM |
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rolf |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 04:29 PM |
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No, it doesn't. But religious people frequently do... |
Rabblevox |
May-07-11 03:46 PM |
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So just because a minority of people who happen to be religious have done some great things. |
LAGC |
May-07-11 04:47 PM |
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Sure. Helps me learn about rank hypocrisy, ignorance, and small mindedness |
Evoman |
May-07-11 04:19 PM |
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depends on if you mean |
DonCoquixote |
May-07-11 04:41 PM |
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Say. you're doing pretty good there, hippie. |
humblebum |
May-07-11 09:03 PM |
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You consider any comment that doesn't glowingly reinforce your faith to be anti-religious |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:17 PM |
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There is a name for people who spend that much time criticizing |
humblebum |
May-08-11 03:53 AM |
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Americans? |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:04 AM |
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There are called |
edhopper |
May-08-11 10:52 AM |
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Says the guy with Stalin Tourette's. |
trotsky |
May-08-11 12:14 PM |
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You forgot to mention his good buddy (not) trotsky, |
humblebum |
May-08-11 10:46 PM |
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I once heard someone say... |
trotsky |
May-09-11 05:56 AM |
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Jesus told me that you are here to counter hippie and show the light |
snooper2 |
May-13-11 02:38 PM |
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Things we'd like to be true and producing knowledge |
Meshuga |
May-07-11 10:38 PM |
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The Hindu Invention of Zero.....Zero was initially used as a Philosophical tool |
Vehl |
May-08-11 03:42 PM |
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I thought it was the Arabs who invented zero. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 03:55 PM |
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nah, they just took it frm the Indians and passed it to the Europeans..who thought Arabs invented it |
Vehl |
May-08-11 04:01 PM |
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I don't really trust wikipedia, but I wouldn't be surprised if my information from class was wrong. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:31 PM |
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I was too lazy to google for other sites, but here are a few |
Vehl |
May-08-11 04:50 PM |
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Arabs call their number system "Indian numerals" (nt) |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:19 PM |
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I remarked once |
ChadwickHenryWard |
May-13-11 06:57 PM |
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Lots of confusion on this thread. |
trotsky |
May-08-11 08:02 PM |
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Damn good point there. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 08:10 PM |
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Does atheism produce knowledge? nt |
humblebum |
May-13-11 04:07 AM |
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Does non-stamp collecting produce...anything? |
darkstar3 |
May-13-11 08:33 AM |
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YES! |
AlecBGreen |
May-13-11 08:36 AM |
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Don't feed it. n/t |
laconicsax |
May-13-11 10:24 AM |
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Well with all the time I save not praying to Santa Clause and Unicorns |
Ninjaneer |
May-13-11 09:29 AM |
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Does anyone claim it does? |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 02:42 PM |
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You spend enough time hawking it that it must have some |
humblebum |
May-13-11 02:50 PM |
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WOW! You admit that you are dishonest and simply just MADE THAT CLAIM UP!!!!! |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 02:59 PM |
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So now that you are admitting that it does produce knowledge, |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:35 PM |
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Wow! The hits just keep coming! More claims that NO ONE HAS MADE!!!!!! |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 05:13 PM |
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You just keep getting more transparent with every post. |
humblebum |
May-13-11 05:56 PM |
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Thats your opinion, but the FACT remains that you are dishonest. Nothing will ever change that. |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 06:48 PM |
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Dishonest about what? And yes that is my opinion.nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:18 AM |
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"Dishonest about what?" - Bwahahahaha! |
cleanhippie |
May-14-11 10:28 AM |
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What's the matter? Can't answer that question, can you? nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:33 PM |
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Do a search for "humblebum" |
darkstar3 |
May-14-11 10:46 PM |
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Always avoidance and vacuous arguments. Nothing but. nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:50 PM |
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Accurate self-promotion can be so hilarious. |
darkstar3 |
May-14-11 10:54 PM |
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I figured you'd probably recognize yourself in that statement. nt |
humblebum |
May-15-11 03:45 AM |
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Its good to see that you can describe your posting style. |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 10:42 AM |
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The question has already been answered. The answer is you are dishonest |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 10:40 AM |
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And you are STILL failing to answer the question. nt |
humblebum |
May-15-11 10:53 AM |
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Uh, no, I am REFUSING to play your childish game because you are dishonest. |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 11:06 AM |
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A bit off topic, but interestingly enough in Islam, yes. |
Ninjaneer |
May-15-11 11:28 AM |
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You have yet to specify any incident of dishonesty, so |
humblebum |
May-15-11 12:53 PM |
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*psst* |
laconicsax |
May-15-11 03:44 PM |
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And the endless blather continues... |
humblebum |
May-15-11 07:04 PM |
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Is that why you refuse to support your claim? |
laconicsax |
May-15-11 07:34 PM |
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delete |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:14 PM |
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Not when they are actively anti-intellectual and persecuting scientists. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 02:56 PM |
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Is that the end of the story? |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:23 PM |
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I'm not believing anything put up by the name HillaryisaSHEMALE. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 07:00 PM |
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That would be fine except there is plenty of evidence to support |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:16 AM |
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So now you're claiming that Hillary Clinton is transsexual? |
laconicsax |
May-14-11 11:17 AM |
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Where did I ever say that, and where is Hillary Clinton ever mentioned? |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:31 PM |
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I'm sorry, were you speaking of Sir Edmund in #107 |
laconicsax |
May-14-11 11:58 PM |
#116 |
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