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Sat May-07-11 03:25 PM
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| 11. Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result |
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in a meaningful query. You use words, such as "religion" and "knowledge," apparently without realizing how vague the words are, or the multitude of entirely different interpretations the words admit. So you end up asking an indefinite "question," which doesn't really refer to anything in particular. And, as far as I can tell, an "answer" to your question couldn't be put to any real use
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| -Once again: does religion produce knowledge? |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 01:43 PM |
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Faith is the evidence of things unseen. |
MineralMan |
May-07-11 01:49 PM |
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I believe |
Angry Dragon |
May-07-11 01:51 PM |
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Justification from faith alone or some such. |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 01:53 PM |
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Depends upon the differences in people's definition of "know". Some have a very |
patrice |
May-07-11 01:59 PM |
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What about your faith? |
William769 |
May-07-11 02:55 PM |
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What faith would that be? |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 02:58 PM |
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What part of this do you not understand? |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:03 PM |
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The faith being referenced in the OP |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:18 PM |
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Once again what part do you not understand? |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:25 PM |
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We were not playing, sir, as that would imply you knew the rules of the game. |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:42 PM |
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Wow. |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:46 PM |
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Wow indeed. eom |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:48 PM |
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Of course it's eom for you. |
William769 |
May-07-11 03:56 PM |
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All stupid needs to succeed is for smart men to stand aside and do nothing |
Ninjaneer |
May-07-11 03:57 PM |
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Wow, indeed. I see the point flew right over your head. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:55 PM |
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"BTW, science has not proven empirical or otherwise about a God." - No one has made that claim. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:54 PM |
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Wrong, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I can't disprove the easter bunny |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 04:16 PM |
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We are talking about religious faith here, friend. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:50 PM |
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Mine is entirely a faith based on experience. |
Deep13 |
May-09-11 12:46 PM |
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In a society it certainly does |
Recursion |
May-07-11 03:01 PM |
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"Religion is responsible for a lot of technological and scientific advances." - Really? Such as? |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:56 PM |
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See my post below. And watch "Connections" by James Burke |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:41 PM |
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So it was a human NEED that created things, NOT religion. |
cleanhippie |
May-08-11 10:42 AM |
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No serious modern scholar still calls it "the dark ages" |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:30 PM |
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Heroin and other opiates address a human need as well. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:59 PM |
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Perhaps, but humans are realizing, exponentially, that there are other, BETTER ways, |
cleanhippie |
May-08-11 06:40 PM |
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Religion is reponsible for scientific advances? |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:06 PM |
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Clocks. Astronomy. Windmills. Optics |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:41 PM |
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They were developed to solve "religious problems"? Elaborate please. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:48 PM |
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James Burke does a better job than I would |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:59 PM |
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It's not surprising at all, actually, when you think about it. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:05 PM |
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No, but if somebody asked me "does space exploration produce knowledge" |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:35 PM |
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But, of course, the whole idea of Dark Age innovation is a red herring. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:56 PM |
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OK, look at the Copenhagen interpretation |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:41 PM |
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How does the Copenhagen interpretation owe its existence to religion? |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:48 PM |
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Burke's "The day the Universe changed" is the most |
Leontius |
May-13-11 08:45 PM |
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The most notable example would probably be the mathematics of Ramanujan. |
dimbear |
May-07-11 08:18 PM |
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I was thinking of scientific advances made to solve religious problems |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:43 PM |
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Heliocentrism wasn't developed in order to accurately predict Easter. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:51 PM |
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You're thinking a few centuries too late |
Recursion |
May-07-11 08:55 PM |
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Then explain why the Church treated Heliocentrism as a heresy. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 08:59 PM |
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They didn't. They treated Galilean relativity as heresy |
Recursion |
May-07-11 09:01 PM |
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Here's an offshoot of NASA's site dedicated to childhood learning. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:11 PM |
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And like many polemics it romanticizes and oversimplifies things. |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:34 PM |
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Yeah, I'm gonna need a source on that one. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:54 PM |
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First, forget any Brecht you've read |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:26 PM |
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Haven't read any Brecht. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:33 PM |
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He proposed the first theory of relativity |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:39 PM |
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I'll read the auto-de-fe, if you'll post a link to it. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 05:51 PM |
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The science that owes the most to religion is archaeology without any doubt. |
dimbear |
May-07-11 10:31 PM |
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Astronomy and math in general |
Recursion |
May-07-11 11:18 PM |
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So tell us please |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 12:26 PM |
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Seriously? |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:24 PM |
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Then you should have no trouble |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 04:34 PM |
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Pythagorus's entire career |
Recursion |
May-08-11 04:37 PM |
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If that's your contention, then your point is a trivial |
skepticscott |
May-08-11 05:41 PM |
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Again with the philosophy |
Recursion |
May-08-11 06:03 PM |
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Good link on Pythagoras and his school. |
dimbear |
May-08-11 07:32 PM |
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Then why did they barbecue Giordano Bruno?? |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 03:06 PM |
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So only the Xians had clocks? |
onager |
May-13-11 03:16 PM |
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No, those advances happen despite religion, not because of it. nt |
Deep13 |
May-09-11 12:47 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result |
struggle4progress |
May-07-11 03:25 PM |
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Had you bothered to pay attention, you would realize those are not my words. |
cleanhippie |
May-07-11 03:57 PM |
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. |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:08 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical laws doesn't always result |
struggle4progress |
May-07-11 04:11 PM |
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Just stringing words together according to grammatical rules (not laws, btw) |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 04:20 PM |
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rolf |
Exultant Democracy |
May-07-11 04:29 PM |
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No, it doesn't. But religious people frequently do... |
Rabblevox |
May-07-11 03:46 PM |
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So just because a minority of people who happen to be religious have done some great things. |
LAGC |
May-07-11 04:47 PM |
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Sure. Helps me learn about rank hypocrisy, ignorance, and small mindedness |
Evoman |
May-07-11 04:19 PM |
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depends on if you mean |
DonCoquixote |
May-07-11 04:41 PM |
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Say. you're doing pretty good there, hippie. |
humblebum |
May-07-11 09:03 PM |
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You consider any comment that doesn't glowingly reinforce your faith to be anti-religious |
darkstar3 |
May-07-11 09:17 PM |
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There is a name for people who spend that much time criticizing |
humblebum |
May-08-11 03:53 AM |
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Americans? |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:04 AM |
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There are called |
edhopper |
May-08-11 10:52 AM |
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Says the guy with Stalin Tourette's. |
trotsky |
May-08-11 12:14 PM |
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You forgot to mention his good buddy (not) trotsky, |
humblebum |
May-08-11 10:46 PM |
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I once heard someone say... |
trotsky |
May-09-11 05:56 AM |
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Jesus told me that you are here to counter hippie and show the light |
snooper2 |
May-13-11 02:38 PM |
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Things we'd like to be true and producing knowledge |
Meshuga |
May-07-11 10:38 PM |
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The Hindu Invention of Zero.....Zero was initially used as a Philosophical tool |
Vehl |
May-08-11 03:42 PM |
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I thought it was the Arabs who invented zero. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 03:55 PM |
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nah, they just took it frm the Indians and passed it to the Europeans..who thought Arabs invented it |
Vehl |
May-08-11 04:01 PM |
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I don't really trust wikipedia, but I wouldn't be surprised if my information from class was wrong. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 04:31 PM |
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I was too lazy to google for other sites, but here are a few |
Vehl |
May-08-11 04:50 PM |
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Arabs call their number system "Indian numerals" (nt) |
Recursion |
May-08-11 05:19 PM |
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I remarked once |
ChadwickHenryWard |
May-13-11 06:57 PM |
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Lots of confusion on this thread. |
trotsky |
May-08-11 08:02 PM |
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Damn good point there. |
darkstar3 |
May-08-11 08:10 PM |
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Does atheism produce knowledge? nt |
humblebum |
May-13-11 04:07 AM |
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Does non-stamp collecting produce...anything? |
darkstar3 |
May-13-11 08:33 AM |
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YES! |
AlecBGreen |
May-13-11 08:36 AM |
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Don't feed it. n/t |
laconicsax |
May-13-11 10:24 AM |
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Well with all the time I save not praying to Santa Clause and Unicorns |
Ninjaneer |
May-13-11 09:29 AM |
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Does anyone claim it does? |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 02:42 PM |
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You spend enough time hawking it that it must have some |
humblebum |
May-13-11 02:50 PM |
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WOW! You admit that you are dishonest and simply just MADE THAT CLAIM UP!!!!! |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 02:59 PM |
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So now that you are admitting that it does produce knowledge, |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:35 PM |
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Wow! The hits just keep coming! More claims that NO ONE HAS MADE!!!!!! |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 05:13 PM |
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You just keep getting more transparent with every post. |
humblebum |
May-13-11 05:56 PM |
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Thats your opinion, but the FACT remains that you are dishonest. Nothing will ever change that. |
cleanhippie |
May-13-11 06:48 PM |
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Dishonest about what? And yes that is my opinion.nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:18 AM |
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"Dishonest about what?" - Bwahahahaha! |
cleanhippie |
May-14-11 10:28 AM |
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What's the matter? Can't answer that question, can you? nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:33 PM |
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Do a search for "humblebum" |
darkstar3 |
May-14-11 10:46 PM |
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Always avoidance and vacuous arguments. Nothing but. nt |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:50 PM |
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Accurate self-promotion can be so hilarious. |
darkstar3 |
May-14-11 10:54 PM |
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I figured you'd probably recognize yourself in that statement. nt |
humblebum |
May-15-11 03:45 AM |
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Its good to see that you can describe your posting style. |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 10:42 AM |
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The question has already been answered. The answer is you are dishonest |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 10:40 AM |
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And you are STILL failing to answer the question. nt |
humblebum |
May-15-11 10:53 AM |
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Uh, no, I am REFUSING to play your childish game because you are dishonest. |
cleanhippie |
May-15-11 11:06 AM |
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A bit off topic, but interestingly enough in Islam, yes. |
Ninjaneer |
May-15-11 11:28 AM |
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You have yet to specify any incident of dishonesty, so |
humblebum |
May-15-11 12:53 PM |
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*psst* |
laconicsax |
May-15-11 03:44 PM |
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And the endless blather continues... |
humblebum |
May-15-11 07:04 PM |
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Is that why you refuse to support your claim? |
laconicsax |
May-15-11 07:34 PM |
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delete |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:14 PM |
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Not when they are actively anti-intellectual and persecuting scientists. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 02:56 PM |
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Is that the end of the story? |
humblebum |
May-13-11 03:23 PM |
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I'm not believing anything put up by the name HillaryisaSHEMALE. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-13-11 07:00 PM |
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That would be fine except there is plenty of evidence to support |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:16 AM |
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So now you're claiming that Hillary Clinton is transsexual? |
laconicsax |
May-14-11 11:17 AM |
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Where did I ever say that, and where is Hillary Clinton ever mentioned? |
humblebum |
May-14-11 10:31 PM |
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I'm sorry, were you speaking of Sir Edmund in #107 |
laconicsax |
May-14-11 11:58 PM |
#116 |
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