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Tue May-03-11 09:28 AM
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That point of view does not depend on definitive knowledge that there is no god. If theists accept their gods on faith, then they cannot very well object to atheists' lack of belief based on the same. Anyway, how ever sure atheists are that there is not god, it is clear that believers have absolutely no reason to think there is one. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And since believers are basing their world view on nothing, it can be accurately characterized as a lie. What if I said that I will give you $10 million next week after I win the lottery. Can you prove that I won't win it? Still, I have no reason to think I will, so that promise is a lie.
Second, we do know for a fact that there are no gods, even if it is only circumstantially. We know enough about human thinking to know how and why people are prone to invent godly explanations for things. We know that god had no part in developing life on earth and that its initial inception does not require a divine explanation. A universe created by gods ought to have divine fingerprints (so to speak) everywhere. Instead everything we have ever discovered and explained has a natural explanation. Everything that was once attributed to divine causes is now known to have natural explanations: medicine and disease, weather, governmental authority, human feelings and relations. WE are at a point where the only way god can be real is if we define him into irrelevancy. Sure, I can't absolutely rule out some supernatural being who does nothing but silently watch, but such a being is not a god.
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| -Why do Americans still dislike atheists? |
cleanhippie |
Apr-30-11 09:44 AM |
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OP subject asserts American atheists hate atheists, i.e. hate themselves. I doubt that. n/t |
jody |
Apr-30-11 09:47 AM |
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I think it's because if atheists are right, and no one will ever know |
Booster |
Apr-30-11 09:48 AM |
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Pray for the success of the Large Hadron Collider and attempts to generate life in laboratories. |
Sadena Meti |
May-02-11 10:31 AM |
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Because we exist. |
MineralMan |
Apr-30-11 09:48 AM |
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Very well said. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-30-11 10:25 AM |
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BINGO, you get a cookie! |
Odin2005 |
Apr-30-11 01:51 PM |
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White chocolate chip and macadamia nut for me. Thanks! |
MineralMan |
Apr-30-11 02:01 PM |
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well said! nt |
Vehl |
Apr-30-11 03:16 PM |
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It's a completely alien point of view to some people. |
Deep13 |
May-03-11 09:00 AM |
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"Your whole sense of self...is based on a lie." |
humblebum |
May-03-11 09:16 AM |
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Two points. |
Deep13 |
May-03-11 09:28 AM |
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If there were a Universal god, it would encourage atheism. |
tridim |
Apr-30-11 09:52 AM |
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That's what I think. All of that would be limitation, i.e. wrong. nt |
patrice |
Apr-30-11 10:05 AM |
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Did you happen to watch Lawrence ODonnell's interview with Franklin Graham this week? |
patrice |
Apr-30-11 10:49 AM |
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Atheism is a direct threat to Religion, It is just as simple |
OHdem10 |
Apr-30-11 09:55 AM |
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religious ppl believe in a god system that supports their own personal learned biases nt |
msongs |
Apr-30-11 10:05 AM |
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What if you sacrificed a whole bunch of might-have-beens, |
patrice |
Apr-30-11 10:02 AM |
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I would think that someone who exhibited those traits would need professional help. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-30-11 10:27 AM |
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I don't think they think that. It appears that they think all anyone needs is |
patrice |
Apr-30-11 10:46 AM |
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There is a well-documented human tendency to throw good money after bad, so to speak. nt |
sudopod |
May-01-11 06:27 PM |
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Deep down they have doubts about their beliefs. They hate being reminded of those doubts. nt |
Speck Tater |
Apr-30-11 10:27 AM |
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It's like that creepy feeling you can get if you let yourself focus on itin an unfamiliar dark room. |
patrice |
Apr-30-11 11:05 AM |
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The same reason the despise other religions. They don't want anyone saying anything other than... |
Sadena Meti |
May-02-11 10:37 AM |
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Because it scares people who aren't sure. What if? What if? |
tavalon |
Apr-30-11 10:48 AM |
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jealousy. |
mzteris |
Apr-30-11 11:02 AM |
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+1 |
cleanhippie |
Apr-30-11 11:41 AM |
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This is the correct bad news. Atheism is for the lucky and the strong. |
dimbear |
Apr-30-11 07:52 PM |
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Atheists and other Heretics have not exactly had it made in the shade... |
PassingFair |
May-03-11 08:29 AM |
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It depends on which "atheists" are being referred to ... |
zbdent |
Apr-30-11 11:43 AM |
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It is psychological projection, they are projecting their issues on "The Other". |
Odin2005 |
Apr-30-11 01:53 PM |
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I am not American, but judging from the smaller but existing minority of Brits who hate atheism |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-30-11 01:54 PM |
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It's also interesting that the authors are both atheists. nt |
humblebum |
Apr-30-11 06:29 PM |
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AND militant! |
cleanhippie |
May-01-11 11:20 AM |
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May-01-11 01:22 PM |
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Cleanhippie is promoting social conservativism in Britain? |
LeftishBrit |
May-01-11 01:31 PM |
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Only one out of four, not two, authors; and he may be more agnostic |
LeftishBrit |
May-01-11 01:30 PM |
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Interesting question. |
Peace Patriot |
Apr-30-11 02:53 PM |
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Pax vobiscum. |
westerebus |
May-01-11 12:49 PM |
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Et cum spiritu tuo! |
Peace Patriot |
May-01-11 05:21 PM |
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Pacis ut totus vir is benevolentia. |
westerebus |
May-01-11 11:06 PM |
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A god as abstract as the concept you define... |
Silent3 |
May-02-11 02:24 PM |
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give it time |
BroccoliTowel |
May-01-11 01:24 PM |
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I don't think that Americans generally dislike atheists for being atheists per se, |
humblebum |
May-01-11 01:33 PM |
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Sure, because Hitchens, Maher, Dawkins, or those who agree with them |
darkstar3 |
May-01-11 02:12 PM |
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When they encourage ridicule and hatred explicitly - then yes |
humblebum |
May-01-11 02:17 PM |
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I know one American who hates atheists for being atheists. |
trotsky |
May-01-11 03:45 PM |
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you always make that statement and it is uncalled for. My posts cannot hold a candle to |
humblebum |
May-01-11 11:34 PM |
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May-02-11 12:06 AM |
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May-02-11 06:12 AM |
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Don't do that you'll trigger epilepsy. |
Sadena Meti |
May-02-11 10:41 AM |
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I always make that statement because it is true. |
trotsky |
May-02-11 06:15 AM |
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So then you are saying I have no right to criticize radical atheism? |
humblebum |
May-02-11 01:29 PM |
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I think you have the right to criticize whatever straw men you want to. |
trotsky |
May-02-11 03:13 PM |
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Since when does "radical" automatically equate to acts of violence? |
humblebum |
May-02-11 03:55 PM |
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Here, let me help you out. You seem a bit confused. |
cleanhippie |
May-02-11 05:24 PM |
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Actually it fits to the tee. |
humblebum |
May-02-11 06:12 PM |
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Yes it does. It fit you perfectly. |
cleanhippie |
May-02-11 07:08 PM |
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I think you are confusing yourself. nt |
humblebum |
May-02-11 07:53 PM |
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Uh, yeah, that must be it. |
cleanhippie |
May-02-11 09:47 PM |
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"which many consider to be bigoted hate groups." |
sudopod |
May-01-11 06:29 PM |
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+10000000! But be careful.... |
cleanhippie |
May-02-11 10:33 AM |
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People like Hitchens, Maher, and Dawkins are driving home the fact that |
Ninjaneer |
May-02-11 10:11 AM |
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Hitchens wrote his book about Mother Teresa in 1995 and 'God is Not Great' in 2007 |
LeftishBrit |
May-02-11 03:26 PM |
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Militant atheism has been around much longer than you purport. nt |
humblebum |
May-02-11 04:00 PM |
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So has the religious right. |
LeftishBrit |
May-03-11 07:08 AM |
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Only as long as the first fundamentalist coined the term. nt |
cleanhippie |
May-03-11 10:23 AM |
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Fundamentalists didn't coin the term. But you already knew that. |
humblebum |
May-03-11 11:57 AM |
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Militant atheist...skip...militant atheist...skip...militant atheist...skip...militant atheist... |
cleanhippie |
May-03-11 12:05 PM |
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There are atheists that need to ponder.... |
The Nexus |
May-01-11 04:26 PM |
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Huh? |
cleanhippie |
May-01-11 05:02 PM |
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God-killerists? |
Iggo |
May-02-11 09:49 AM |
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Please elaborate. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-02-11 10:29 AM |
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Do you mean atheist vs an-theist vs anti-theist? |
Sadena Meti |
May-02-11 10:32 AM |
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I find that's usually what they mean. |
Iggo |
May-02-11 10:49 AM |
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Why don't you love the Immortal God-Emperor? |
sudopod |
May-02-11 11:38 AM |
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Zuckerman has a fondness for rhetoric, which unfortunately limits his ability to produce insight. |
struggle4progress |
May-02-11 01:44 PM |
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It's called tradition. |
trotsky |
May-02-11 08:11 PM |
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Oh, but you know you can't trust polling data, |
darkstar3 |
May-02-11 08:25 PM |
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That could be. Or perhaps Danish notions differ from US views in multiple ways, |
struggle4progress |
May-03-11 01:12 AM |
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Oh yes indeed. |
trotsky |
May-03-11 06:04 AM |
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Habit? |
Nihil |
May-03-11 12:03 PM |
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That would imply that Americans dislike |
humblebum |
May-04-11 03:11 PM |
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Beauty? |
darkstar3 |
May-04-11 07:52 PM |
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Because we're Satanists, of course! |
frogmarch |
May-04-11 01:41 PM |
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