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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:12 AM
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6. devil's advocate
the third premise is central to faith and shapes the world of believers
that faith comes from a not intellectual personal occurrence which is also intellectually anomalous
it is often called being saved, a term of faith demanding the third premise, unusable for those not saved

you have shown for the umpteenth time that faith cannot teach reason
i submit that reason cannot understand what it cannot name
there is a mythical description of the origin of peter's faith in the godspells
how does your intellect describe the origin of that faith in real people?
or, what is the origin of the third premise in a particular apologist's world view/alternate universe/dharma?

there is another presumptuous premise at work: that reason is the arbiter of what is and is not
apologists make quacks of themselves when they presume to teach reason,
but how will reason discredit the origin of acts of faith, which is the same origin for premise three?
will it go beyond contradiction and claim authority?

i did not defend the wager or apologists, but neither did you show that the full wager is central to apologetics
devil's advocate, for the hell of it. these statements are not meant to be factual
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  - Part of me doesn't believe in god because I don't...  Scuba   Apr-24-11 11:44 AM   #1 
  - Addendum: the motivation bit  enki23   Apr-24-11 11:49 AM   #2 
  - What most people ignore  skepticscott   Apr-24-11 12:10 PM   #3 
  - So, by enki, agreeing with Pascal deserves ridicule, or,  Festivito   Apr-24-11 03:01 PM   #4 
  - What's an "anti-religion adversary"?  trotsky   Apr-25-11 06:40 AM   #7 
     - It's a refining of adversary. Not just any adversary, ...  Festivito   Apr-25-11 06:55 PM   #8 
        - Ah yes, only "we" are TRUE CHRISTIANS...  trotsky   Apr-26-11 06:21 AM   #10 
           - What? Like Joe Lieberman is the only TRUE DEMOCRAT. To you maybe!  Festivito   Apr-26-11 12:31 PM   #11 
              - Sorry.  trotsky   Apr-26-11 01:43 PM   #13 
                 - Yes, if you read beyond the headline, you'll see, good Christians judge. No need to be sorry.  Festivito   Apr-26-11 07:54 PM   #14 
                    - I can now truly see the type of Christian you are.  trotsky   Apr-27-11 06:06 AM   #16 
                       - I'm sure type-casting is something at which you excel.  Festivito   Apr-27-11 11:22 AM   #17 
                          - When the pure love and compassion of Jesus is radiating so strongly from someone...  trotsky   Apr-27-11 12:45 PM   #18 
                             - Some just live for the snipe hunt. Did you ever go out on one?  Festivito   Apr-27-11 06:36 PM   #19 
                                - Luke 6:27-36  trotsky   Apr-28-11 06:38 AM   #20 
                                   - Perhaps I do, or could it be: Just Impossible. /nt  Festivito   Apr-28-11 08:48 PM   #21 
                                      - I do want to thank you, Festivito.  trotsky   Apr-29-11 06:14 AM   #22 
                                         - No, thank you, trotsky. For finding that part in another that one sees in oneself.  Festivito   Apr-29-11 11:32 AM   #23 
                                            - "I'm rubber and you're glue?"  trotsky   Apr-29-11 01:49 PM   #24 
                                               - Oh, isn't that precious! Oh, angry?, me, no, I'm all smiles. And, L-ingOL.  Festivito   Apr-29-11 04:53 PM   #25 
  - Serious apologists. Haven't heard that phrase for a while.  dimbear   Apr-24-11 06:07 PM   #5 
  - devil's advocate  tiny elvis   Apr-25-11 03:12 AM   #6 
  - Pascal  Robert Vroom   Apr-26-11 02:34 AM   #9 
  - If these are arguments for  skepticscott   Apr-26-11 09:19 PM   #15 
  - Homer Simpson addressed premise 3  pokerfan   Apr-26-11 01:17 PM   #12 

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