sudopod
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Apr-04-11 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
| 19. Fair enough! and Likewise! :) nt |
| -Religions as memes. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 12:21 PM |
#0 |
 -
This is the inconvenient truth for Richard Dawkins. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-04-11 12:38 PM |
#1 |
 -
I agree with what you say. Dawkins, of course, denies this. |
Jim__ |
Apr-04-11 12:43 PM |
#2 |
| -
The thing is that memes aren't selected based on whether or not |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 12:46 PM |
#3 |
| -
But you can't ignore the obvious correlation between individual and gene. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-04-11 01:11 PM |
#7 |
| -
I don't know about that. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:25 PM |
#11 |
 -
Ah, but there is the deepest most interesting part, sudopod!!!! |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-04-11 01:43 PM |
#15 |
| -
I think your link went awry, it goes to a discussion of income vs. intelligence |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:50 PM |
#16 |
| -
Yes, the truth lies outside organized religion, and all other human endeavor. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-04-11 02:12 PM |
#18 |
| -
Fair enough! and Likewise! :) nt |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 02:17 PM |
#19 |
| -
Tell that to sufferers of sickle-cell anemia. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-04-11 03:26 PM |
#26 |
| -
Ah, now there's a smart post. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-05-11 11:02 PM |
#46 |
| -
Hmm...I don't know about that... |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 11:09 PM |
#47 |
| -
But would you? Can't you see we can't predict the effects of our actions? |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-05-11 11:34 PM |
#50 |
| -
What you're talking about is the law of unintended consequences, |
darkstar3 |
Apr-05-11 11:36 PM |
#51 |
| -
We can't halt all progress due to fear, can we? |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 11:52 PM |
#52 |
| -
All I question in your statement is this: |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:16 AM |
#59 |
| -
This is very Matrix-ish, heh. |
sudopod |
Apr-06-11 12:35 AM |
#60 |
| -
Yes, why are we ADDICTED to Truth? |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:47 AM |
#65 |
| -
It should also be noted that similiar arguments were once put forward against self-governance. |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 11:58 PM |
#53 |
| -
The difference there was that there was a positive alternative that achieved the same goals. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:05 AM |
#55 |
| -
We're working on it. ;) |
sudopod |
Apr-06-11 12:06 AM |
#56 |
| -
Oh right on! |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:42 AM |
#62 |
| -
Have a good one! nt |
sudopod |
Apr-06-11 12:43 AM |
#63 |
| -
You've never heard of secular humanism? |
darkstar3 |
Apr-06-11 12:07 AM |
#57 |
| -
It doesn't compare to a religion at this point, it lacks fire. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:45 AM |
#64 |
| -
That "fire" as you define it is one of the MAJOR problems of organized religions. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-06-11 01:54 PM |
#67 |
| -
I think you don't understand the analogy. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-05-11 11:22 PM |
#48 |
| -
humility. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-06-11 12:01 AM |
#54 |
| -
The thing is, I didn't say it. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-06-11 12:14 AM |
#58 |
| -
Ooooh, this too! |
sudopod |
Apr-06-11 12:36 AM |
#61 |
| -
"Universal features of a species demand a Darwinian solution." - Richard Dawkins. |
Jim__ |
Apr-04-11 01:16 PM |
#10 |
| -
I have my handy copy of "The God Delusion" right here. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:36 PM |
#13 |
| -
Mine is the hard copy Houghton Miflin - 2006. |
Jim__ |
Apr-04-11 02:32 PM |
#22 |
| -
He then directly discusses evidence for the next 15 pages. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 02:54 PM |
#24 |
| -
Evidence? No he makes conjectures. |
Jim__ |
Apr-04-11 03:38 PM |
#27 |
| -
Whether religious behavior is advantageous isn't really the point, though... |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 04:16 PM |
#28 |
| -
Read #26. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-04-11 05:48 PM |
#32 |
| -
The assertion about the universality of religion is based on Dawkins statement. |
Jim__ |
Apr-05-11 06:50 PM |
#41 |
| -
I was simplifying for the audience. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-05-11 07:04 PM |
#42 |
| -
doppelganger. nt |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 02:54 PM |
#25 |
| -
whoops, wrong post! nt |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 02:53 PM |
#23 |
| -
Same could be said about racism and other quite harmful memes. |
trotsky |
Apr-04-11 12:53 PM |
#4 |
| -
No, they don't help the organisms, they help themselves. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 12:58 PM |
#5 |
| -
Example: the shakers |
inademv |
Apr-04-11 01:11 PM |
#8 |
| -
Exactly! |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:57 PM |
#17 |
| -
I already put my brain into an Adrian Barbeaubot |
inademv |
Apr-04-11 02:22 PM |
#20 |
| -
Descriptive scientific language and prescriptive political thinking diverse wildly.. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-04-11 01:33 PM |
#12 |
| -
If you're going to call him racist and a fascist, then [citation needed] |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:38 PM |
#14 |
| -
Thank you for proving my point. |
trotsky |
Apr-05-11 06:10 AM |
#35 |
| -
Who is observing the Roman pagan holidays? |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-05-11 10:38 PM |
#43 |
| -
I must admit that I'm not sure where your argument leads. |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 10:52 PM |
#44 |
| -
That is hilarious. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-05-11 10:57 PM |
#45 |
| -
That's a lovely answer, however it doesn't address my question. |
trotsky |
Apr-06-11 06:28 AM |
#66 |
| -
"It wouldn't be here if it didn't help organisms" |
inademv |
Apr-04-11 01:09 PM |
#6 |
| -
And they can spread in populations even then. |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 01:16 PM |
#9 |
| -
sickle cell and malaria, I know |
inademv |
Apr-04-11 02:25 PM |
#21 |
| -
It is possible, but there are other possibilities, such as a parasitic relationship. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-04-11 05:43 PM |
#31 |
| -
Infectious diseases evolve but they seldom help their host organisms |
Silent3 |
Apr-04-11 09:22 PM |
#34 |
| -
Are these the things that come out of volcanoes and inhabit people? |
jberryhill |
Apr-04-11 05:24 PM |
#29 |
| -
AFAIK, they usually involve putting things in volcanoes. :D nt |
sudopod |
Apr-04-11 05:29 PM |
#30 |
| -
Memetics: The Modern Science of Dental Health by L. Ron Dawkins |
bananas |
Apr-05-11 03:30 PM |
#38 |
| -
you seem...upset. :3 |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 05:53 PM |
#40 |
| -
Element number 4 is the real key. |
dimbear |
Apr-04-11 08:01 PM |
#33 |
| -
Memetics is pseudoscience |
bananas |
Apr-05-11 10:52 AM |
#36 |
| -
I think someone had a chip on their shoulder when they added that to the wiki. |
sudopod |
Apr-05-11 11:54 AM |
#37 |
| -
And Wikipedia is accurate.* |
darkstar3 |
Apr-05-11 04:24 PM |
#39 |
| -
I know good science when I see it. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-05-11 11:27 PM |
#49 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread